slalom board for wave like chops?

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jp747
jp747
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17 May 2008 9:05pm
i got me thinking this week..freaky weather cyclones passing thru one by one and winds in the upper 20's..sea state is turbulent washing maching machine type, waves from all directions and am left with a 95ltr. freeride board that's just too big to plough thru the mush and ramps too floaty for 4.5 to 5.5mtr. sails..i have a friend who has an old but mint condition f2 sputnik 85ltr. slalom board(my guess 100$) and he wants to sell it, on the other hand a 50$ axxis 268 85ltr.wave board red old model too..i haven't tried the slalom 85 on rough water and tumble water..if i put a wave fin on this slalom board you mates think this should sufficeand at least when the season arrives i can use it as a highwind speed boardin addition the slalom board has such a flat nose and could easily trip over steep ramps
Gestalt
Gestalt
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14968 posts
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18 May 2008 9:01am
the sputnik has no rocker so i'd leave it be for the conditions you are talking about.

the axis though are pretty fast wave boards. lots of guys i know use them for bump and jump.
firiebob
firiebob
WA
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18 May 2008 9:34am
I've never sailed either JP, so don't put too much weight on my comment, but I'd forget the slalom board in that poop.
As Gestalt said, the Axis had a good rep as a fast board, and should be fun
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
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18 May 2008 10:54am
if you want to hit those bits of chop at 40 knots, it may be a good idea.
jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
19 May 2008 6:13pm
Gestalt said...

the sputnik has no rocker so i'd leave it be for the conditions you are talking about.

the axis though are pretty fast wave boards. lots of guys i know use them for bump and jump.


thanks gestalt and firiebob, well i guess for 50$ it really wouldn't hurt if i were to use this board and between 4.5 to 6.0 mtr. sails what fins at least 2 i'll try to get my dealer friend to look in his dump box..am thinking this carries a 26-28cm swept curved thereabout
Gestalt
Gestalt
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19 May 2008 9:48pm
for bump and jump and 6m sail i'd use a 28-30 cm fin up to 20 knots. but i am a fatty.

it helps to have some extra size to get upwind.

for the stronger winds and 5.5 and smaller sails i'd use a 25cm or even 24cm.
by the time you get on the 4.5 you could even be on a 21cm wave fin.
jp747
jp747
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1553 posts
19 May 2008 10:45pm
man that's really short wow but i guess the width compensates for the length on wave fins and thicker
grandfromage
grandfromage
WA
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20 May 2008 10:23am
guys,

i am in a similar boat to jp. only sounds like we are at different levels of progression.

i have a 144L Go and am ready to move down a few litres. the only other board i have is a 86L naish wave. too big a jump i found out last weekend.

i tried a 115L kinetic gladiator, this felt much more managable. i think between 105-115L would be good, so i have the volume in mind, i just need some help to choose the right shape.

i am aiming to try to get out in the sea more, so the board must be able to cope with chop, but still be fairly user friendly and i need to use this board to learn to gybe / tack properly. does this board exist?

suggestions so far are kinetic gladiator 115, jp supercross 104, i dont know enough about pros n cons of these boards though. any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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20 May 2008 2:27pm
grandfromage said...

guys,

i am in a similar boat to jp. only sounds like we are at different levels of progression.

i have a 144L Go and am ready to move down a few litres. the only other board i have is a 86L naish wave. too big a jump i found out last weekend.

i tried a 115L kinetic gladiator, this felt much more managable. i think between 105-115L would be good, so i have the volume in mind, i just need some help to choose the right shape.

i am aiming to try to get out in the sea more, so the board must be able to cope with chop, but still be fairly user friendly and i need to use this board to learn to gybe / tack properly. does this board exist?

suggestions so far are kinetic gladiator 115, jp supercross 104, i dont know enough about pros n cons of these boards though. any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.


Have to admit a bias (love for) JP's, so I would recommend an XCite Ride 110L. But the supercross would probably be just as good.
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
20 May 2008 6:06pm
grandfromage said...

guys,

i am in a similar boat to jp. only sounds like we are at different levels of progression.

i have a 144L Go and am ready to move down a few litres. the only other board i have is a 86L naish wave. too big a jump i found out last weekend.

i tried a 115L kinetic gladiator, this felt much more managable. i think between 105-115L would be good, so i have the volume in mind, i just need some help to choose the right shape.

i am aiming to try to get out in the sea more, so the board must be able to cope with chop, but still be fairly user friendly and i need to use this board to learn to gybe / tack properly. does this board exist?

suggestions so far are kinetic gladiator 115, jp supercross 104, i dont know enough about pros n cons of these boards though. any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance for your help.


I absolutely love my 100L Gladiator
Depending on your sailing conditions, your weight and sail size, think both Kinetic & JP would be OK, your call on volume
Both are supercross, so would handle chop and be user friendly (my gladdy eats chop).
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
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20 May 2008 11:19pm
jp747 said...

man that's really short wow but i guess the width compensates for the length on wave fins and thicker


yeah the area is part of the deal for sure. i also try and steer away from wave fins that have small soft tips. my 30cm fin is an mfc freewave, although it's a soft fin it has a fairly broad tip and a more upright plan shape.

my smaller fin, is a 25cm torquay slot wave fin. (yes i like it )

wave fins are typically thicker foiled which really helps with the lift and allows higher angles of attack before stalling. this does also contribute to making them slower.
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
21 May 2008 9:42am
Gestalt said...

jp747 said...

man that's really short wow but i guess the width compensates for the length on wave fins and thicker


yeah the area is part of the deal for sure. i also try and steer away from wave fins that have small soft tips. my 30cm fin is an mfc freewave, although it's a soft fin it has a fairly broad tip and a more upright plan shape.

my smaller fin, is a 25cm torquay slot wave fin. (yes i like it )

wave fins are typically thicker foiled which really helps with the lift and allows higher angles of attack before stalling. this does also contribute to making them slower.



from what i've seen from his fin dumpster(dealer friend) are really old fins of various sizes and shapes with nicks and all and i don't mind..during the monsoon season the chops and swells are like a meter apart so going fast on a wave board doesn't really apply unless you'd like to have your teeth falling offbut once in a while there'd be a flat spot to gain momentum and do bump and jump..since the board is an oldie any fin he throws in for free i'll accept as long as the length is what you had mentioned earlier..
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