tidal flow directions

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Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
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QLD, 14968 posts
22 Feb 2006 1:13pm
just wondering if anyone knows...?

is a rising tide north flowing or south flowing for SE Queensland.

cheers...
holgs
holgs
WA
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WA, 303 posts
22 Feb 2006 10:07pm
If you are within a bay such as Moreton Bay, Hervey Bay or Broadwater then the direction of flow will vary depending on which part of the bay you are in. I'm not sure about the ocean beaches but my guess is that if you look up the tide tables, water will flow from a place that has high tide at an earlier time towards a place that has a high tide at a later time.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
23 Feb 2006 9:53am
cheers holgs,

i'm figuring that tides flow south when rising then.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23685 posts
WA, 23685 posts
24 Feb 2006 1:07am
No, tides don't "flow". A tide is casued by the gravitational pull of the moon. Imagine the pacific ocean (or any ocean) as a bowl of water that is magnetic.
As you bring a magnet near it, the water lifts up a little... more in the middle and less near the edges of the bowl. Thta is a high tide.

Now if a little inlet / estuary rund off the side of the bowl, but the magnet is still in the middle, yes the water will flow "in" and "out" of the inlet/estuary as the magnet moves.

So tides do not "flow in a direction" unless you consider where on earth u are relative to the highest point of the tide.
Currents flow, tides do flow, but in different directions depending on where u are..
Another scenario, the moon is directly above sydney and the tide is highest there. Water will "flow" (kinda) south if you are in Brizzy.... but north if you are in Tassie...... but it will still rise in both those locations, realative to waht it was 6 hrs ago when the moon was "behind the earth" a bit (for those in Oz anyway)
leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
24 Feb 2006 11:06am
Tidal theory could have been super simple if only the Earth was covered in water only (no land). Then we'll just be 'looking' at the moon and the sun (don't forget that the sun play a role too in the tides generation).

however we've got land and then ocean bassin(not only one big ocean) and also the earth is rotating so we 've got that bloody coriolis force that makes 'things' turn to left in the southern hemisphere (and to the right in the northern hemisphere).


So anyway because the ocean depths are not uniform, we have to relate the tidal forces (moon sun) to a series of inter-connected ocean basins, each with its natural frequency and different frictional characteristics.


and this is when the Amphidromic system arrive:
see
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1322&shownew=on
in an idealised bassin (imagine a part of the Indian ocean for example) there is a point where the tidal elevation is zero and the tidal wave rotate around that point. The co-tidal line are the line where the tidal wave go pass at the same time.
see also
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1323&shownew=on

so if you are sitting on the edge of this basin ( on a beach somewhere) and you 've got a mate 200km further along the coast, you will get the high tide before him (or vice versa).

this is how it looks like for the whole world (colour are tidal amplitude)
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1324

hard to see for SE Queensland (looks to me that it is north to south)
but you could see really well, why there almost no tide in Perth, Perth is just next to an amphidromic point (= zero tidal elevation).

now the thing is that if you are in a little estuary (or bay), the bay will also have its own little way of having the tidal wave coming from one side and leaving from the other side.

After listening to all that science junk, the advice is just to check your local nautical chart, everything is indicated on there!...I'm off to the beach now I've got sore head.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
26 Feb 2006 12:30pm
thnaks guys...
holgs
holgs
WA
303 posts
WA, 303 posts
26 Feb 2006 12:10pm
Good stuff leski, I was hoping someone clever would come up with a scientific answer. Can you also tell me why Perth has only one high tide and one low tide in 24 hrs when most places have 2 of each? Thanks.
leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
26 Feb 2006 11:22pm
holgs, I'll try to answer without being boring to death

Moon and sun generates tidal forces that have differents frequency.
The tidal signal you get at a particular area is then a result of different tidal constituants with different periods. Some are diurnal (one tide per day, for example K1, O1) some are semi-diurnal (2 tides per day,for example M2,S2). If some constituants have a larger amplitude than the others, lets say for Perth , K1 and O1 have a much stronger amplitude than M2, S2, then you get a diurnal tide (1 tide per day).
The graph here, kind of illustrate this
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=1391
(Laurie, don't know why the pic end up in the kite area)

sometimes you could also get mixed tides a bit of diurnal at some point(1 tide per day), then it switch to more semidiurnal (2 tides per day) and back to diurnal...

could also check this
http://www.jason.oceanobs.com/html/applications/marees/marees_m2k1_uk.html

having said that checkin the tide in Perth is almost useless..maybe for a surfer.. but not even sure as the effect of barometric pressure (low pressure/high pressure) is very often more important over there.





holgs
holgs
WA
303 posts
WA, 303 posts
26 Feb 2006 10:21pm
Thanks leski, never realised that tides were so complex.
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