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WA
79 posts
WA, 79 posts
11 Jan 2009 1:42pm
help my mast is stuck together,tried two booms,tried lashing both pieces with down haul rope and twisting (broke the rope!).
Any other suggestions welcome.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
11 Jan 2009 2:32pm
Remove top bung, connect garden hose via couplings and a hose clamp to top of mast, turn on tap, shake mast for half an hour.

*POP* whoosh YAY!


That said, I haven't seen a mast that won't yield to the "Add more booms and sailors until it comes apart" method.

Next time wrap electrical tape around the join before you stick the mast into the sail, it stops sand getting into the joint and sticking the halves together.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
11 Jan 2009 5:54pm
Not another one

This should be an FAQ topic. I just had a quick look for the articles that have been posted here but I couldn't find them.
NDH47
NDH47
NSW
102 posts
NSW, 102 posts
11 Jan 2009 6:55pm
This was discussed not that long ago.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=43480

There's a good method that involves a van..
Hope that helps!
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
11 Jan 2009 6:57pm
Try tapping around the join with a rubber mallet or piece of wood. It's likely jammed by the wedging of sand / grit / salt, and bashing the said particles into smaller pieces often frees it. Also do a search (seabreeze), this topic has been raised a few times before - there's a classic video showing a mast being seperated by using a stout tree and a 4WD.

Edit - beat me to it!
recycle
recycle
WA
79 posts
WA, 79 posts
11 Jan 2009 6:08pm
Thankyou everyone job done, used the flex and wedge method to get it started then the lash and twist to finish.
cheers
sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
820 posts
820 posts
11 Jan 2009 7:33pm
In the referenced thread, aus301, thewindmap and DavMen mentioned taping their masts.
I can tell you that this method really does work. Before I did this, my mast would often
be very hard to seperate. I very nearly had a 1 piece mast. After using the tape method,
my mast has always come apart easy.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
11 Jan 2009 8:57pm
still recommend trying the mother-in-law inside an xd falcon driving off a cliff technique
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
11 Jan 2009 9:59pm
Front foot first
rosey
rosey
NSW
575 posts
NSW, 575 posts
11 Jan 2009 10:07pm
waz taught me a good lesson the other week.
tape your mast before you go out.
stops sand and crap from getting into the joint.
makes it easy to get undone, and stops the sandpaper effect on the part that goes into the top end, which grinds it down.
Yousurf
Yousurf
WA
165 posts
WA, 165 posts
11 Jan 2009 8:23pm
Rosey, aus301, thewindmap, DavMen, sharkbiscuit and easty taught me a good lesson.

tape your mast before you go out.
stops sand and crap from getting into the joint.
makes it easy to get undone, and stops the sandpaper effect on the part that goes into the top end, which grinds it down.

MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
12 Jan 2009 12:21pm
Haircut said...

still recommend trying the mother-in-law inside an xd falcon driving off a cliff technique


Yeah, but doesn't that mean you have to climb down the cliff to recover the half of the mast that was attached to the xd?
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
12 Jan 2009 12:42pm
Haircut said...

still recommend trying the mother-in-law inside an xd falcon driving off a cliff technique


Seems like a waste of a perfectly good XD
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
12 Jan 2009 11:44am
Yousurf said...

Rosey, aus301, thewindmap, DavMen, sharkbiscuit and easty taught me a good lesson.

tape your mast before you go out.
stops sand and crap from getting into the joint.
makes it easy to get undone, and stops the sandpaper effect on the part that goes into the top end, which grinds it down.




I don't see how sand would get in your mast joint while sailing? its halfway up the luff sleeve so you gotta be doing something pretty wrong to get sand all the way up there, and then into your mast joint.

I think most of the problem is people not taking care when rigging, heck I've seen people leverage the end of the mast into the ground to force it into the sail. If you make sure the joint is clean before you rig then no problems. Taping is pointless in my opinion. I never tape, and my mast always comes appart easy, occasionally the top half even remains in the sleeve when I derig.

Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
12 Jan 2009 11:50am
I've found using tape makes it easier to pull the mast out of the sail...( It's also good for hampsters.)
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
12 Jan 2009 12:18pm
swoosh said...

Yousurf said...

Rosey, aus301, thewindmap, DavMen, sharkbiscuit and easty taught me a good lesson.

tape your mast before you go out.
stops sand and crap from getting into the joint.
makes it easy to get undone, and stops the sandpaper effect on the part that goes into the top end, which grinds it down.




I don't see how sand would get in your mast joint while sailing? its halfway up the luff sleeve so you gotta be doing something pretty wrong to get sand all the way up there, and then into your mast joint.

I think most of the problem is people not taking care when rigging, heck I've seen people leverage the end of the mast into the ground to force it into the sail. If you make sure the joint is clean before you rig then no problems. Taping is pointless in my opinion. I never tape, and my mast always comes appart easy, occasionally the top half even remains in the sleeve when I derig.




Yeah it doesn't matter in the bay but out in the waves it just takes a short rinse in the shore break and the sand gets in the tension side where the gap is a bit wider.
When you derig the mast straightens and gets a good grip of any sand thats in there. Believe me. It pays to tape it.
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
733 posts
WA, 733 posts
13 Jan 2009 10:54pm

Try taping the joint, or better still, put tape round the joint. This will get the mast apart.
Willaus0001
Willaus0001
QLD
333 posts
QLD, 333 posts
14 Jan 2009 4:20pm
tape around the joint seems to go alright. or use some sort of material which has one side with adheres to the mast, and rap that around :)
Stefan
Stefan
9 posts
9 posts
14 Jan 2009 7:39pm
I?v got a bit of a more diffecult problem out here.. My mast was also stuck and after lots of booms and even more people it seperated. But it was the wrong way: the glued part came out and the sandy part is still stuck. So rightnow I have one piece which is cracked and has no funnel anymore (I meen the connecting thing) and I have one part that has a funnel in it stuck with sand. Strange thing is that the mast looks like it shrunk: you can feel exactly where the funnel ends. I sailed it for two months in Brazil and bought it brandnew a week before I went.



Has anybody done this before? Any good ideas to get that thing out? I really need the base (the part that holds the funnel rightnow) because I can only get a new top. That's because it's not really guarantee since I've "put too much forces on the mast which it isn't built for".

Hope someone has a good idea because I'm sick and tired of trying without result.
aerohydro
aerohydro
NSW
31 posts
NSW, 31 posts
14 Jan 2009 10:20pm
You could possibly saw off the stub, then use a hacksaw blade to make a longitudinal slit in the remaining section from the inside. Doing this would relieve the pressure holding the parts together and let you pull it out. Just be careful not to saw all the way through the inner piece into the good mast section. This technique has allowed me to get a corroded tiller out of a rudder box casting on a beachcat, and a seat post out of a bike frame. Good luck.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
16 Jan 2009 11:21am
Like this:


Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
16 Jan 2009 9:35am
So do you put the tape around the bottom part before you slide the top on, or do you tape around the join of the two when they are together?
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
18 Jan 2009 11:14pm
Windxtasy said...

So do you put the tape around the bottom part before you slide the top on, or do you tape around the join of the two when they are together?


'Round the outside when they are together.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
19 Jan 2009 1:07am
swoosh said...

I don't see how sand would get in your mast joint while sailing? its halfway up the luff sleeve so you gotta be doing something pretty wrong to get sand all the way up there, and then into your mast joint.

I think most of the problem is people not taking care when rigging, heck I've seen people leverage the end of the mast into the ground to force it into the sail. If you make sure the joint is clean before you rig then no problems. Taping is pointless in my opinion. I never tape, and my mast always comes appart easy, occasionally the top half even remains in the sleeve when I derig.




Exactly. Just WASH the male and female parts before consummating the relationship. Even if you have to bring a 2 litre water bottle with you and just pour the stuff onto the ferrule and into the hole.

When I do this, they come apart effortlessly every time. No need to tape. If you do it with a new mast, the ferrule will never even get scratched and will always be a silky smooth fit, like a hand in a glove...

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