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jord070
jord070
WA
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21 Feb 2007 12:21am
how are the best ways of getting heeps of water out of a board? aprox 1.5 ltrr i have tried alot of wayrs, dry air, spining it around to get water to go to the ends, the candle wich way where you drill into the deck and put paper in there, the one where you heet up the board to get the moist air to rise out, but i havent tryed the vacume pump,. but only because i cant find it any othere ways to get it out
hobie14t
hobie14t
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21 Feb 2007 1:23am
If you get desperate you can suck it out bit by bit using your mouth
jord070
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21 Feb 2007 12:25am
mm dont make it sound so apealing, i dont know where the water came from or how long its been in there i got it second hand for cheap and now i no why, but i think i will keep looking for a vac pump
hobie14t
hobie14t
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21 Feb 2007 1:33am
how cheap is cheap? if its too heavy I would just ditch the board. its too much mucking around especially if its just a cheap older board.
jord070
jord070
WA
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21 Feb 2007 12:54am
nah i got it for 200 dollars but its a realy good board its a starbaord fish 2002 model and its wood so its realy light but its about 1.5 kg over still so if my thinking is right it is 1.5 ltrs
mineral1
mineral1
WA
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21 Feb 2007 12:54am
jord070 just been down this road, and its not good news. I set mine up to allow it to drain vent plug removed.
Unfortunately the core is like a sponge and soaks up the water, Place it out in sun on hot day helps evaporate content, and you can eventually get it all out doing it that way but its "months not days"
To check if it is leaking, place it on lawn from your shed, let it heat up for 5-10 minutes and then paint soapy water around vent plug (in and tight) and any other area's you may think are leaking. If its got a leak it will show bubbles with the air expansion escaping at leak point.
I fitted an old gym boot cotton shoe lace in the vent hole pushed it in with a knitting needle and let it be used like a wick on a candle, this also works to get some out. Check the weight in comparison to its spec weight and if its not much difference, you are at the stage of not gaining much more by faffing about. So big tip is, buy second hand, check with a wick to see if its got water in it before you part with your cash
Mineral
Greenroom
Greenroom
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21 Feb 2007 12:58am
Is this the fish you just bought Jord? I wouldnt bother with a vac pump as other methods you have tried work just as good if not better. I got a heap of water in my 86L fish due to a cracked Oring. Because there was no cracks or dings on the board I suspected it could have been the fin or mast box which it wasnt. Then I put the vent plug in and put it in the sun to heat up, took the footstraps off and put soapy water in the footstrap holes and around the vent plug to see if there was any bubbles. So the only way water could have gotton in would be through the vent. so for about 2 weeks I kept my board in the car and parked it in the sun at work. I waited for the car to get real hot and then got rolled up paper towling to wick it out. The first week the paper was getting soaked! Then the paper towel was coming out dry until I was not getting a wet wick I decided I had got it all out. I then weighed the board and got the original board weight from when it was new... I was one happy little vegemite
jord070
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21 Feb 2007 12:59am
yeh good point mineral i was just thinking that maby if i even get an electric blanket and cover the board with that for a few dayas it may be able to get hot enouph to get the water to evaporade or maby get a bar heater in teh room with it aswell, that sounds pretty good and i will also try to get a vac pump and attach that for a few days and hope that gets the water going, what do ya think bout that idea
Greenroom
Greenroom
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21 Feb 2007 1:00am
quote:
Originally posted by jord070

nah i got it for 200 dollars but its a realy good board its a starbaord fish 2002 model and its wood so its realy light but its about 1.5 kg over still so if my thinking is right it is 1.5 ltrs


Wood? I think you will find its not? they only came out as DRAM
Greenroom
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21 Feb 2007 1:05am
The weight was also about 7.3kg
jord070
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21 Feb 2007 1:16am
yeh its not wood but it has a fair amound on the tail and nose, i descoverd after i used my belt sander to get down to see all the little crackes to repair befor my new paintjob, wich i have had to put on hold untill i get the water out. but i just checked the boards wieght again and its only around 1 ltr over so in the last week i have lost about 1/2 a ltr so its not lookin too bad any more its still a little tail heavy so i think i will give it anotehr 2 weeks with the sun and wik treatment and see how much moor i get out and maby just apply a vacume pump untill i get the remainder out, dont mind if its a little over but i kg still a bit much.
Greenroom
Greenroom
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21 Feb 2007 1:41am
Im not sure what you mean by being 1 litre over?
Having 1 1/2 litres of water in your board is alot? Is that possible?
Stand on some scales and weigh yourself. Then pick up your board and see how much the scales read. For example If you weigh 60kg you should get a reading of about 67.3kgs with board in hand?
My board weighed about 9kg and when I had wicked it i got it to weigh 7.5kg... and yes these boards do feel pretty heavy in the tail.
How much does the board weigh now Jord?
mr love
mr love
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21 Feb 2007 10:55am
Hey Jord , What are you baseing your assumption that the board is heavy on ? If you are using the published weights from Starboard ?Remebember that weight is without straps . Add 500/600 grams or even more to that for straps depending which type it has . Then the published weight is +/- 6 % so add another 400 grams . Thats around a Kilo over published weight for a board with straps within production tolerance . Is your board still heavy ????
staffan
staffan
NSW
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21 Feb 2007 3:33pm
Hi,

I just got my JP FSW 84 down from 12 to 8kg and I tried quite a few ways. This is what worked for me:

Firstly, Wipe the board clean and put it in the sun (without the plug) so it becomes very warm all the way through. If you got water in it, the moist air will expand a lot and it will exit where you have holes and cracks. There are two ways to detect this, you'll either see water bubbling out or wou will see dried salt deposits where the cracks are(that is why you should wipe it clean first)

If you do find cracks, press to see if board is soft around the crack. If it is soft then you'll likely have to open up the board and dig out all crushed wet foam. If the board has gained a lot of weight this is most probably the case.

When the board is crack free and you want to get all the moisture out of it. Repeat this cycle until you are satisfied with the weight:
a) Put it in the sun to make it super warm all the way through. As the air inside the board heats up it can hold more water and it expands.
b) Put it in the shade to cool of. As it cools, air is sucked back in to it. The trick is to get really dry air sucked back in to it so that next time you put it in the sun, the air can absorb loads of water as it heats and expands. If you live in WA with low relative humidity just let it cool. If you live in NSW where it is humid you need to dry the air. I did it by letting letting the air be sucked through a tub with silica gel (recall the yellow or blue chrystals from chemistry in high school or see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silica_gel) You can also dry the air by cooling it before it enters the board as cool air don't hold as much water.
Repeat a..b until the weight is down.

Greenroom
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21 Feb 2007 2:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by mr love

Hey Jord , What are you baseing your assumption that the board is heavy on ? If you are using the published weights from Starboard ?Remebember that weight is without straps . Add 500/600 grams or even more to that for straps depending which type it has . Then the published weight is +/- 6 % so add another 400 grams . Thats around a Kilo over published weight for a board with straps within production tolerance . Is your board still heavy ????


Mr love is right... my board weighed 7.5kg without the footstraps and fin. The footstraps and fin add an extra 1kg?
Harrow
Harrow
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21 Feb 2007 7:11pm
quote:
Originally posted by staffan

Hi,

I just got my JP FSW 84 down from 12 to 8kg and I tried quite a few ways. This is what worked for me:

Staffan, that is an impressive gain, but you still have a little way to go. My JP FSW 84 weighs 6.3kg.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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21 Feb 2007 5:27pm
quote:
Originally posted by Harrow

My JP FSW 84 weighs 6.3kg.



Is that with or without footstraps etc????
curac
curac
WA
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21 Feb 2007 6:45pm
take the bung out sit it upside down.. maybe drill a couple of hole and stick it in a hot car
works a treat
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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21 Feb 2007 7:34pm
Jordo

Don't even think about elec blankets etc you have no way of controlling the heat applied.

Hot car is absolute max I'd subject a board to. Most epoxies in comm use soften substantially at 100 - 120C which would be easy to attain with and elec blanket wrapped around the board. Styro cores make funny gases at less than that, I think it is about 80C that it does funny stuff.

If it is still a bit heavy in the sun with a wick is the best way.

Greenroom: "when I no longer was getting a wet wick" .... and nobody has mentioned that comment yet!!????????
I haven't been getting one ever since getting married
jord070
jord070
WA
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21 Feb 2007 8:36pm
well to answer all questions i figure that the board is 1 ltr of water because it wighs jsut over 8 kilos (aprox 8.4) i mesured out the wieght on an electric scale with a heavy bucket (wich is the +- 5%) and put it on my scales and marked it down so i know the exact area it should be on my scales. so i mesured the board it was jsut a lil over 8kg so if my thoughts are correct i kg = 1 ltr, i havent gone ahead with my electrc blanket idea because i cant find one, abd the way that steffan said was my first way aroudn it and i got about 1 ltre out as well, but if you wanna see my latest invwention of how to get water out i will post a topic to show a link on u tube after it finishes uploading, i think you will have a lauph but it is working
jord070
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21 Feb 2007 9:03pm
NotWal
NotWal
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21 Feb 2007 10:09pm
Didn't see the aquarium pump method mentioned. I guess its good if you have one, not so useful if you don't.

Someone (was it Jez) used to recommend using an old refrigerator motor as a vac pump.
decrepit
decrepit
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21 Feb 2007 9:12pm
Top marks Jordo couldn't have done better myself. But it's not a new idea.
Hope you've got holes in the nose and tail, so the water at each end can get out.

And you are aware I hope what happens when tip speed reaches the sound barrier!!
decrepit
decrepit
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21 Feb 2007 9:16pm
Just thought of a modification that may make it quicker.
If you can fit a venturi to the holes at each end, they should suck air through the board, (from an open vent plug) assisting the spin process.
jord070
jord070
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21 Feb 2007 9:26pm
notwal i did try the fishpump method but it was taking way to long, yehi got holes at the top bottom and all over well a few cracks all over and decrepit, what is a venturi
decrepit
decrepit
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21 Feb 2007 9:38pm
quote:
Originally posted by jord070

decrepit, what is a venturi



Haven't got a lot of time I've got to catch a plane.

But it's how a carburetter sucks petrol in from the float chamber.

It's a constriction in a big tube, (increases air flow) with a small pipe coming in at right angles, at the narrowest point of the constriction. The big tube lines up with your air flow, the small pipe connects to the holes at each end.
Try googling it, wikepeda should have better description and may be even some design rules.
snides8
snides8
WA
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21 Feb 2007 9:53pm
jordo mount the board horizontally ...
may be i should re phrase that...
place the board level in some fashion,i think the original idea was on an old laundry wasing machine that was then spun in some fashion.
that way you wont have gravity fighting it self as much.
nebbian
nebbian
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21 Feb 2007 9:55pm
You're going to find it difficult to get a significant air pressure difference just using a drill to get the board spinning...

Venturis are difficult to design at the best of times, let alone when they have to spin around attached by gaffer tape to a board!

Just as an aside, with the biggest air dam you can design on the front of a V8 Supercar doing 250 km/h down conrod straight, the biggest air pressure gain you can get is about 0.5 psi, compared to 14 psi normal air pressure. So that's 4% air pressure difference. Not really all that impressive.

And that's doing 250 km/h which I guarantee your board isn't doing! Bear in mind also that any work done by the venturi will slow down your drill, so a nice big low-speed venturi will undo all the work you've done on trying to make the board spin quickly.

You'd be much better off with a battery-powered blower blowing down into the vent plug.

Just my $0.02...
mineral1
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21 Feb 2007 9:59pm

jord070 keep us all posted as to how you go with your system to get the water out. I.E. was it successful or not.
Mineral
snides8
snides8
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21 Feb 2007 10:08pm
an old fridge compressor is ideal for a vac pump..just try and find one that is allready disconnected so you dont let the fridge gas escape and poke holes in the ozone layer ;)
be careful when you attach the suction end of the pump to the board to use a water trap of some sort in line perhaps a 2 litre water bottle (glass) and make sure you hava an inlet hole or the vent open so as not to collapse the board under too much vacumn.
and as mentioned earlier make sure the air being drawn thru the board is as dry as possible (pick a low humidity day or a hot tin shed to do it in)
another thing you could try is drawing the air thru the board via a jar of 'damp rid' first so the air travelling thru the board is 'laced' with the damp rid.
disclaimer- i havent tried the damp rid method but the vac pump method works.
good luck
snides8
snides8
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21 Feb 2007 10:15pm
cant keep away from this topic...
never,never,never blow or try to force air into the board.
this is the easiest way to cause the styrene core to fracture and create the dreaded delam!!!!!
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