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Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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15 Jan 2005 10:06pm
as im sailing back in and get onto a nice rolling swell and then it breaks i just cant seem to ride them all that well
once i set myself up and go for the bottom turn i bounce around and dig in rails and wipeout alot
i am learning and my board is not a forgiving board
but im determined to get it right i watch others and they bottom turn smoothly and seem to know where the sail needs to be
what are some key points when bottom turning, sail position and riding waves
thanks
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hardman
hardman
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1116 posts
16 Jan 2005 8:55am
Greeny,

maintaining mastfoot pressure through the board is critical, it will be the main difference from surfing, maintaining the mastfoot pressure will mean that the sail is in the right position. Positioning your sail to maximise the power that is available is important so that will depend on the direction of the wind.

When I was first learning I was told to pretend the bottom turn was a gybe, that you cut back from when hitting the top of the wave.

Feet positioning and weight and pressure distribution are also critical but using that gybe technique, will get your feet right. I'm sure others will have other ideas, but those things worked for me and I'm no natural. Obviously when you get competent you fine-tune everything, you sound like your lacking confidence which is normal when your learning. The usual fee will do

Hardie (Board Butcher and Reef Magnet)
justin
justin
WA
65 posts
WA, 65 posts
16 Jan 2005 12:34pm

Greeny there are a coupla small things that can help you in ythe bottom turns before you go out first open up all ya staps so ya feet are more over the centre of the board allowing you to bury the inside rail....but dont open them too much that ya feet fall out...you still want em snug.. Also raise ur boom a bit, this will help you clew outa bit better as you need to do this cos perth is generally onshore.like you said your board may have somthing to do with it too? a good allrounder board would be something a few more litres than ur body wieght ie; 70kg = 74litre board. if you have a ****ty fin or even a good one that is hacked up can make you cavate as well
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
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16 Jan 2005 1:33pm
Bend your knees, I fall off most of the time, but the times i get it right i bend my knees, and sorta sheet in and pull on the boom... But i could be doing it wrong

Haydz
justin
justin
WA
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16 Jan 2005 5:17pm
Filhty Amatuer is right, bend em knees and lower your centre of gravity...And exaggerate the bend the more windy it is
Greenroom
Greenroom
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16 Jan 2005 11:32pm
thats probably the hardest thing for me to do and i guess i forget i think coming from surfing which is very style conscious doing the poo man is not a good look i know thats one thing i got to work on next time im gonna say it over and over and over again out loud while dropping down the wave so i know i have no excuse and yes hardie (i dont know how you know) i do lack confidence im such a kook and there are so many good windsurfers out there i just want it all in one day crawl first huh
justin... when i do go for the bottom turn the reason why i am crashing alot i find is that the inside rail gets buried and the fin jumps out... i am 63kg and ride a carbon sandwhich 75L the board width is 52cm so maybe im giving it too much inside rail bogging it too much i have boom around chin high... so once i come out of the bottom turn should i clue out

so i need to benz zee neez, lower center of gravity, maintain mast foot pressure over center of the board, clue out.... then lay back and thrash that wave to bits

thanks hardie justin and filth ill give that a go this week
more tips from others would be kindly accepted

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justin
justin
WA
65 posts
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17 Jan 2005 8:28am

Greeny ...The most ideal allrounder for you would be 66 to 70lt board I think the problem is you have too much boyancy causing you to skip out for your 63kg frame, especially in the stronger breezes we have had this year...like you said bury that rail hard just try it on smaller board if it's windy Having a 75lt board and being 63kg would be a good light to moderate wind option for you. If your fin is too far back it can make your board feel stiff. try to put the leading edge of your fin lined up with the middle of your back strap this will losen your board up. Also try using a 20 to 21cm fin...
curac
curac
WA
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17 Jan 2005 9:10am
for down the line although i'm not real good yet, but am starting to carry some power through my bottom turns. as that is what i have been concentrating on. i found hand position was important.

if you look at the pros they have there front hand right next to the harness line and move the back hand down the boom for the bottom turn and then move it up to the harness line for the cut back.

so here is what i have worked out so far. on your bottom turn. bend your knees and lean your weight forward so you put pressure on your front foot, do the bottom turn pro hands thing and lean your sail forward to the nose of the board ( the hand positions seem to stop your sail form tapping the water) and then just try really hard not to **** up and fall off. oh and then do your cut back and try to snap off the lip and get some air.. heh..

well that's what i got some far, hope it helps

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bluejuice
bluejuice
WA
334 posts
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17 Jan 2005 11:29am
hey greenroom, been thinking about your post and I agree with the feed back comments especially justins I reckon the bottom turn is like a commited gybe just in front of the wave face exept as you start to go back up the face ( well just before as the board is pointing north) the sail should be clewed out to catch as much wind as possible, If you were screaming along on flat h2o and you stomped on the tail of your board as hard as you could to do a fully commited really tight gybe does your board pop out then? if so I'm wondering if the bottom tuck on the rails of your board might be a bit sharp or not tucked enough so that the rail is not sinking into the water but pushing against it causing the tail to pop out. Once you have wave riding experience the bottom tuck wouldn't cause you so much grief, years and years and years and even more years ago in a far away world (oops got side tracked there)I experienced a similar thing and changing the fin with a well foiled one helped heaps. It's probably technique but equipment can make it easier, I reckon the learning curve is the fun bit.
When are you next going to Scarboro?

a.k.a. KA202
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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17 Jan 2005 8:59pm
hey justin i just went out to check the fin position on my board and the leading edge is about the middle of back footstrap
im not sure what fin size is hardman gave it to me he might be able to tell... (its the local spirit white fin off the scalpel)
i find this fin good as it keeps me upwind easily
as to board volume its a 1997 and weights 7.2kg a heavy board plus rig and my biggest sail is a 5m but the recommended is a 5.4m
anyway i can get planning easily around 18knots... 15knots is too light... believe it or not it is a sinker... last saturday i had my 5m and in the lulls i was in ankle deep of water
so i was hoping to get a 74 evo for wave riding ability in a can i wanted to be out in 15/16knots and also 20/25knots with the one board if posible the E70 may take 5.8m

i too have noticed the pro hand thingy curac

i had a good think about your post bluejuice... thinking back yes i do stomp on the tail to slow things down abit most often the speed worries me a bit and i like do do things slower... i find that while im riding the swell in i do slow down instead of charging at full speed... would full speed be better
yes the learning curve is so much fun and im enjoying it
what does a well foiled fin mean look like
i sail at mettams bluejuice


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Deano
Deano
WA
255 posts
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17 Jan 2005 9:23pm
Agree with all the above. Lots to think about huh. Also depends on Wind direction. Cross off you can go out in front of the wave more with out loosing speed. Cross shore you need to turn much earlier. Try doing some hard "S" turns on flat water. Toes - Heels.

There's some really good videos around if you can find them to. Getting into Waves one & two. I can see if I can borrow them of a friend for you if you want

Oh yeah use your hips.

I'm no shredder but hope this helps.



Deano
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
18 Jan 2005 1:31am
i used to have the exact same problem when i started. i changed from a really stiff big crap fin to a 21cm Drake fin off an evo74 which has heaps more flex and i found a huge improvement.
quite often i think fins are overlooked. try and borrow a really flexible fin off a mate and see it it makes a difference. personally i rate the new JP rad wave fins, quite flexy and fast. the drakes on the evo are slower and will plane earlier though.
If ur fin is good and doesnt spinout on the waveface it allows u to fully commit yourself to the rail and carve some sweet bottom turns.
As evryone else has also mentioned bend the knees and hang down on the boom a bit to increase mastfoot pressure. think of the mastfoot as a third leg that helps u get more of the rail up towards the nose of the board working for u in the turn.
Also what type of board r u riding???(just out of curiosity)

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www.outdoorshots.com.au/view_sessionshot.php?eid=45&pg=1&sid=04p2043521
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Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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19 Jan 2005 1:45pm
yesturday i tried a JP 21cm fin which has alot more flex than the local spirit which has a window and very stiff no flex
it went well but didnt get a good go as i crashed a week ago on windy thursday and had abdominal pains
despite discomfort my eagerness took over, i did a few runs and caught one nice wave with not to much bouncing around, i was overpowered as i chose the wrong sail... as i landed a jump the pain was excruciating, short of breath, and swollen stomach so i spent 4 hours in the ER waiting for results on xrays to see if broken ribs but after all that ive no broken bones just torn ligaments, muscle damage and i tell you this much... IT BLOODY HURTS im such a woosie im spewing big time as the coming week looks like a good one @#$%
i shall try these helpful tips later
till then have fun
im so depressed

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dave.h
dave.h
WA
194 posts
WA, 194 posts
19 Jan 2005 3:35pm
hey greenie,
sorry to hear about your injury mate.
did you do the damage to yourself last thursday at the river when you took that great big stack getting some air??
get well soon
dave
bluejuice
bluejuice
WA
334 posts
WA, 334 posts
19 Jan 2005 9:08pm
Greeny that explains why you weren't at mettams the other day, I had a wicked sail there. Oh well a couple of panadol before you go out should fix it.

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Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
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20 Jan 2005 1:34pm
yes that was it dave
i did go out at mettams on sat and i felt ok no dramas but went out on tuesday and hit a brickwall

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