Bucket list jumps on slalom gear

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thedoor
thedoor
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12 Apr 2023 10:26pm


Adding being able to jump like this on slalom gear to my bucket list. Taking all tips.

Bucket list also has Lake George, Defi wind, breaking 40 knots, foiling tack and clean forward loop
duzzi
duzzi
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12 Apr 2023 11:42pm
thedoor said..


Adding being able to jump like this on slalom gear to my bucket list. Taking all tips.

Bucket list also has Lake George, Defi wind, breaking 40 knots, foiling tack and clean forward loop


That's quite a list! And he is quite a sailor! My bucket list these days is just to feel good enough to be able to go out!!!!
John340
John340
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13 Apr 2023 6:57am
thedoor said..


Adding being able to jump like this on slalom gear to my bucket list. Taking all tips.

Bucket list also has Lake George, Defi wind, breaking 40 knots, foiling tack and clean forward loop



Lake George is addictive, there is nothing like it for GPS sailing anywhere else in the world.
aeroegnr
aeroegnr
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13 Apr 2023 5:09am
Here for the jumping tips because mine are hot garbage, regardless of gear
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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13 Apr 2023 9:38am
thedoor said..


Adding being able to jump like this on slalom gear to my bucket list. Taking all tips.

Bucket list also has Lake George, Defi wind, breaking 40 knots, foiling tack and clean forward loop


I'd love to be capable of sailing like that...
You wouldn't want to lose concentration!
choco
choco
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13 Apr 2023 10:47am
Takes skill and good tuning sailing in open water, great video
John340
John340
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13 Apr 2023 12:32pm
choco said..
Takes skill and good tuning, sailing in open water, great video


And a lot younger knees than I've got
Shifu
Shifu
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13 Apr 2023 12:43pm
Love this video. There's nothing more fun than fast blasting in open (really open) water.
6.2m and 93 litre 60 wide.
remery
remery
WA
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13 Apr 2023 11:01am
That used to be my favourite style of jump, long and low with the board created nice lift (but nowhere near as fast). I remember like it was yesterday when I launched off a small wave at Dutch Inn in the 80s and landed on the back of another for a silky smooth finish. I tried it again a few years ago and just smacked into the face of the second wave for a painful finish.
WindFlyer
WindFlyer
170 posts
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13 Apr 2023 11:49am
tips.

some things are similar to jumping w/ bump gear, others different; first off, you're carrying a lot more speed going into the jump so that by itself will give you a lot of projection and hang time even without a ton of height.

* as with B&J, you need to stay sheeted in (it's a bit harder), but it is critical to be unhooked without disturbing the rig before landing (if you value your board and your boom)
* tucking in your back leg in flight is super important since you're going low and far and you're more hiked out over the water (instead of over the board as in B&J)
* let the nose of the board drift downwind slightly for an easier landing, and be sure to pull in your back leg on landing (not super easy to do when pretty hiked out)
* unlike B&J, you don't need to actively do anything. on the contrary, as you go over the ramp instead of trying to keep the board down, just let it fly. that means, don't push down with the front foot much, but also, don't drive off the fin. and don't "load and pop" until you really got it down
* don't go for a very steep ramp or too directly into it. the speed alone will launch you well, so at first go for slightly low ramps and hit them at a diagonal angle. as you progress you can go for steeper ramps or hit them more head-on
* use gear on the small side of things (boards ~63cm or narrower, sails ~6.2 or smaller)

jumping with slalom kit is an unreal rush.
at my home spot on windy but clean B&J days, i love to go on my 5.5 and 55cm board and jump my @$$ off (works on both tacks!). also on GPS days (on 6.2 kit) i often kick off a speed run by heading up and hitting a ramp!

best luck!
thedoor
thedoor
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2506 posts
13 Apr 2023 2:29pm
WindFlyer said..
tips.

some things are similar to jumping w/ bump gear, others different; first off, you're carrying a lot more speed going into the jump so that by itself will give you a lot of projection and hang time even without a ton of height.

* as with B&J, you need to stay sheeted in (it's a bit harder), but it is critical to be unhooked without disturbing the rig before landing (if you value your board and your boom)
* tucking in your back leg in flight is super important since you're going low and far and you're more hiked out over the water (instead of over the board as in B&J)
* let the nose of the board drift downwind slightly for an easier landing, and be sure to pull in your back leg on landing (not super easy to do when pretty hiked out)
* unlike B&J, you don't need to actively do anything. on the contrary, as you go over the ramp instead of trying to keep the board down, just let it fly. that means, don't push down with the front foot much, but also, don't drive off the fin. and don't "load and pop" until you really got it down
* don't go for a very steep ramp or too directly into it. the speed alone will launch you well, so at first go for slightly low ramps and hit them at a diagonal angle. as you progress you can go for steeper ramps or hit them more head-on
* use gear on the small side of things (boards ~63cm or narrower, sails ~6.2 or smaller)

jumping with slalom kit is an unreal rush.
at my home spot on windy but clean B&J days, i love to go on my 5.5 and 55cm board and jump my @$$ off (works on both tacks!). also on GPS days (on 6.2 kit) i often kick off a speed run by heading up and hitting a ramp!

best luck!


thank you
Roo
Roo
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Roo Roo
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13 Apr 2023 10:17pm
The faster you go the higher you jump! Any ramp will do, line it up, bear away to get up to speed and hang on. Speed equals height.

Sail fast, stay dry.
Roo
WindFlyer
WindFlyer
170 posts
170 posts
14 Apr 2023 3:03pm

thedoor said..


thank you


thank you for posting! that was a fun video to watch.
(the bird at around the three-minute mark made me smile!)

this one should be one of the easiest items of your bucket list to cross;
much less expensive and involved than trips to Lake George and Le Defi (where you could check off forty knots)
and much easier than a foiling tack or a clean front loop

...oh, and the front loop on that video is next level!
love those end-over-end loops;
much less scary to try than the more sideways spin loops
(which i've seen a couple of pros do on slalom gear in nearly flat water... had to pick up my jaw off the floor!)
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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14 Apr 2023 5:52pm
^^ Really an end over end fwd loop is less scary (easier) ?

I just wish I could jump slalom gear after so long on wave and FSW for some reason slalom stuff just feels planted.

Anton - you're nuts, love the vid
WindFlyer
WindFlyer
170 posts
170 posts
15 Apr 2023 1:26am
Mark _australia said..
^^ Really an end over end fwd loop is less scary (easier) ?



to me, anyway.
having the height gave me confidence of clearing it, and made for a slower, less violent rotation.

now a cheese roll...? thanks, but no.
remery
remery
WA
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15 Apr 2023 9:14am
I found jumping with outboard foot straps very difficult. Watching the video it's apparently not!
thedoor
thedoor
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15 Apr 2023 11:59am
remery said..
I found jumping with outboard foot straps very difficult. Watching the video it's apparently not!


loool
thedoor
thedoor
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2506 posts
16 Apr 2023 2:51am


Def not anton level, but feeling in control in bumps and 7.1 felt fine when B&J guy was on 4.8
shannon19
shannon19
QLD
104 posts
QLD, 104 posts
21 May 2023 8:40am
Any time I try a jump, when I land the fin slides out. Would that be because I am not heading downwind enough when you hit the ramp?
Hydrosurf
Hydrosurf
282 posts
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21 May 2023 11:52pm
Yes bear away more dowwnwind but not too
much or you will get slammed
BSN101
BSN101
WA
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22 May 2023 9:32am
thedoor said..


Adding being able to jump like this on slalom gear to my bucket list. Taking all tips.

Bucket list also has Lake George, Defi wind, breaking 40 knots, foiling tack and clean forward loop


Add Albany to the list too.
shannon19
shannon19
QLD
104 posts
QLD, 104 posts
22 May 2023 6:08pm
Hydrosurf said..
Yes bear away more dowwnwind but not too
much or you will get slammed


Thanks hydrosurf. I'll keep that in mind next time I am out there.
shannon19
shannon19
QLD
104 posts
QLD, 104 posts
22 May 2023 6:08pm
Hydrosurf said..
Yes bear away more dowwnwind but not too
much or you will get slammed


Thanks hydrosurf. I'll keep that in mind next time I am out there.
WindFlyer
WindFlyer
170 posts
170 posts
23 May 2023 1:04am
Hydrosurf said..
Yes bear away more dowwnwind but not too
much or you will get slammed


yes.

also pull in (tuck in) with your back leg on the landing (it's easy to push out instead, guaranteeing the washout).
shannon19
shannon19
QLD
104 posts
QLD, 104 posts
23 May 2023 8:07am
Ok will do. I have also read to extend the front leg and sheet in keeping body tension. Hopefully I can put it all togeather.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14969 posts
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23 May 2023 6:24pm
shannon19 said..
Ok will do. I have also read to extend the front leg and sheet in keeping body tension. Hopefully I can put it all togeather.





If you sheet in the nose drops.
If you sheet out the tail drops.
Extend front leg or pull in back leg nose goes off the wind.
Extend back leg or pull in front leg tail goes off the wind

So in short. Pushing your front foot forward and sheeting in whilst your bodyweight is above the board is prob going to lead to endo loop and result in a huge nose dive.

To avoid that.

You need to compress by dropping your bum down towards the tail of the board, hanging under the rig. Getting your weight lower over the tail helps avoid the nose dive. Then extend or retract your front leg to steer upwind or downwind like a waterstart.

Unfortunately while i know that, i cant always do it and have some sad looking nose dives.

Id say someone like anton would just make micro adjustments without needing to even think it through.
remery
remery
WA
3709 posts
WA, 3709 posts
23 May 2023 5:32pm
WindFlyer said.

yes.

also pull in (tuck in) with your back leg on the landing (it's easy to push out instead, guaranteeing the washout).



Have a look at an old school video like Tradewinds to see nose first landings in all their glory. I'm stuck in the past and think they look better than all the new-fangled squirrely jumps.
shannon19
shannon19
QLD
104 posts
QLD, 104 posts
23 May 2023 8:34pm
Sounds like I have a lot to learn like normal haha thanks so much! I'll start small

shannon.
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