What size board for the swan river.

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hardpole
hardpole
WA
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20 Mar 2009 3:05pm
I am looking at buying a board for use in the river, up until now I have been using my 79l Kombat and its generally not really big enough (fine in the ocean).

What volume would you all recommend for a general purpose speed/slalom board. I dont think I can stretch to more than one so need something that will be good on the lighter days. I will probably look at getting something other than wave fins for the smaller board which might help that.

I have seen a few Isonics in the 80 - 90 - 100 range and am not sure which one I should consider. Of course there is the CA slaloms which would probably be excellent but again I dont know what size I should consider.

I am 80 Kg and on the 79l cant seem to get better than 32 knots.

I dont want to start a fight here - so everyone play nice
Bender
Bender
WA
2236 posts
WA, 2236 posts
20 Mar 2009 3:30pm
hardpole said...

I am looking at buying a board for use in the river, up until now I have been using my 79l Kombat and its generally not really big enough (fine in the ocean).

What volume would you all recommend for a general purpose speed/slalom board. I dont think I can stretch to more than one so need something that will be good on the lighter days. I will probably look at getting something other than wave fins for the smaller board which might help that.

I have seen a few Isonics in the 80 - 90 - 100 range and am not sure which one I should consider. Of course there is the CA slaloms which would probably be excellent but again I dont know what size I should consider.

I am 80 Kg and on the 79l cant seem to get better than 32 knots.

I dont want to start a fight here - so everyone play nice



IMHO something like a

Isonic101, 105 or 94
Sonic 90, 95 or 100
Stardboard S-type/Futura in 93, 101, 115

F2 SX small(thinks its 90L) or medium at 105L

JP Supersport 100 or 115

The width is probably more important than volume of you are after early planing.I reckon something in the 60-70cm wide range should do the trick

What sails do you plan on running on them. These types of boards really need to be sailed powered up and partnered with at least a freerace type sail.

nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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20 Mar 2009 4:42pm
I had the same dilemma recently, and went for an iSonic 94 (I weigh 86 kg). It's just big enough for light days, I can uphaul my 6.8 with water up to my knees.

The 94 would be fine for you, or even the 86 might be just big enough.

If you're used to the Kombat then you'll hate the 101, it's significantly wider than the 94. The 94 is more a traditional gun shape, the 101 is more a modern wide style shape.

You're welcome to give my 94 a go if you like, just let me know beforehand.
lao shi
lao shi
WA
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20 Mar 2009 5:53pm
I sailed the futura 122 a while back and it was sweet with the 7.6.Planing in 12+ knots. 111 was good but needed quite a bit more wind.Patrick has gone well on his 93/ 122 combo. Nice compromise. Straps can be set inbound or out. Would be less full on than a slalom.
If you are serious go the isonic or the JP slalom (had a good sail on one of Elmo's)but go at least 100litres.
Claude goes well on his 101 in a huge range of conditions (but then again Claude would go well on a door).
My JP84L slalom II will carry a 6.6 but is much better suited to a 5.8 and 18+ knots.

You will need to get a suitable sail to go with whatever you choose to get the best out of it. For a range of river conditions something about 6.5 and cammed.

Firebob of FNQ raves about his CA sl58 in both ocean and river. He got 36+ when he was over here with a 6.8 loft blade. Try and sail a few boards before you commit.
hardpole
hardpole
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609 posts
WA, 609 posts
20 Mar 2009 7:58pm
Thanks guys - sounds like something around 90l and a new cammed sail is the go. Currently my biggest sail is 5.8 (although I do have an old NP 6.2 that I havent used for a couple of years).
yoyo
yoyo
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21 Mar 2009 10:34am
All good advice but Hardpole 32Knots on the river is not bad. Bigger kit will probably be slower.

If you are looking for speed follow Slowboat around at Melville for a while. Water state and angle is the biggest influence on speed, as those guys who have done 42+ at Sandy Point on wave gear will attest to.
snides8
snides8
WA
1731 posts
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21 Mar 2009 11:30am
nebbian said...

I had the same dilemma recently, and went for an iSonic 94 (I weigh 86 kg). It's just big enough for light days, I can uphaul my 6.8 with water up to my knees.

The 94 would be fine for you, or even the 86 might be just big enough.

If you're used to the Kombat then you'll hate the 101, it's significantly wider than the 94. The 94 is more a traditional gun shape, the 101 is more a modern wide style shape.

You're welcome to give my 94 a go if you like, just let me know beforehand.



i agree with Nebbs and i would lean towards the 86 (or similar) perhaps the ca 50 (83ltr)
Claude seems to use the 86 a fair bit...and i think he is 85 ish kg's
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
21 Mar 2009 12:46pm
yoyo said...

If you are looking for speed follow Slowboat around at Melville for a while.


Funny you should say that, thats exactly how I got my PB - he zoomed in front of me on one of my first days at Melville and I thought "thats the way to do it" and tried to copy him and on my next good run got a PB - what I noticed is how much more downwind the angle is for max speed.

One of the real frustrations I have with my board is getting back up again, and Im sure a better (not wave) fin will make a huge difference, but the kombats have us boxes so the choice is a bit limited.

I enjoyed sailing at Hardies but didnt compere in the races out to the platform as I could hardly hold that angle, and on the first one of those days I got all the way out there on my first "practice" run and hit a light patch. Thought I would be swimming in.

Thanks for all the advice everyone, something to think about while wishing it was windy !
izaak
izaak
TAS
2013 posts
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21 Mar 2009 5:27pm
go an isonic 94
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
26 Mar 2009 8:36pm
Well I took the plunge and bought a 2006 Starboard Sonic 95 from the buy and sell on seabreeze (thanks Julien). Now all I need to know is what fin I should be looking at. It has the original drake fin with it but I know if I want to use it at Hardies Im going to need a weedy.

Still got some change from the Kevin.

now lets all hope for some wind !
Bender
Bender
WA
2236 posts
WA, 2236 posts
26 Mar 2009 8:49pm
hardpole said...

Well I took the plunge and bought a 2006 Starboard Sonic 95 from the buy and sell on seabreeze (thanks Julien). Now all I need to know is what fin I should be looking at. It has the original drake fin with it but I know if I want to use it at Hardies Im going to need a weedy.

Still got some change from the Kevin.

now lets all hope for some wind !



Those sonics are unreal. A weedy in the 30cm ish range should be sweet.

Benz
Benz
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
1 Apr 2009 10:33am
Hey hardpole unless u lost weight in the last 3 days whats this 80 kg mass
evets
evets
WA
685 posts
WA, 685 posts
1 Apr 2009 9:03pm
Hope the Sonic goes well for you Hardpole.
In case anyone else reads this thread I suggest you should not be put off the Isonic 105/101. I have the 105 and love it. It planes in light winds and flies in stronger winds. I have been thrilled with it so if you have the option of one I would strongly recommend at least trying it. I can sail it al day long (and do)

In strong winds I am just getting to grips with a sonic W52...... that seems to be another great board, I just have not been out on it so much to really comment.
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
3 Apr 2009 1:27am
Benz said...

Hey hardpole unless u lost weight in the last 3 days whats this 80 kg mass


When I donate blood they weigh me !

Havent tried the sonic yet - soon when the wind is right.
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