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Board suggestions for wavesailing - lightwind, ankle-to-waist high

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Created by LNC A week ago, 3 Sep 2019
LNC
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3 Sep 2019 5:36AM
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Allright!
I'm windsurfing Chesapeake bay, USA and only a few hours from the coast. My highwind windsurf skills are pretty good, borderline advanced depending on a sliding scale I suppose but I have only a minimum experience in the surf.

i'm 6' and 195#. or 88 kg on a good day ;) I can get to the ocean for small waves on sandbar breaks every once in awhile and am interested in board suggestions for lightwind wavesailing - sideshore to sideoff.

I have a JP 10'9 x 32", 189 liter windsup with centerboard that I've used a couple times but wonder if i'm robbing myself of a better experience on a different board???

and have been kind of obsessing on some Naish boards on closeout pricing. but at least due to lack of experience i'm paralyzed in deciding if another board is worth doing at all and if yes which one - 10'6, 11', 11'4. in my situation - I cannot tell if JP rocker is remotely similar to any of these for example.

any suggestions are welcome. fwiw - I've noticed couple fanatic fly and SB blend may be options but would have just a bit of brand loyalty to the Naish to overcome before getting serious about these.

LeeD
654 posts
3 Sep 2019 9:51AM
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With enough wind, you can ride any 85 liter wave boardn
All depends on wind speed, unless you are sup surfing.

philn
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3 Sep 2019 11:12AM
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LeeD said..
With enough wind, you can ride any 85 liter wave boardn
All depends on wind speed, unless you are sup surfing.


Forum fail. Read what the poster said.

philn
257 posts
3 Sep 2019 11:15AM
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I can only give you an opinion on what I've ridden. I had various windsups which were OK because I could SUP them when not windy enough to sail. But then I moved to Florida where the wind is mostly cross onshore and windsups are not as ideal. So currently I prefer the Exocet Longboard. I have the 10'5 and it is great for light wind cross onshore sailing.

LeeD
654 posts
3 Sep 2019 1:14PM
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Good luck with your SUP when wind hits 25 mph

Mark _australia
WA, 19467 posts
3 Sep 2019 6:05PM
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He said he wants lightwind wave sailing FFS

Are you actually a windsurfer?

LNC
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3 Sep 2019 9:52PM
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Mark _australia said..
He said he wants lightwind wave sailing FFS

Are you actually a windsurfer?









Hey Mark!

i think fair to say that thru your posts and online personna, you have earned respect from many readers (lurkers) of the of Seabreeze forum, which as far as i know is the coolest english-language WS forum! so thanks to you and all who take the effort to make a recommendation :)

Yes - long term windsurfer since the 90's. currently have an econoline van (my 4th) loaded with north sails 4.0-8.8, a 124 Futura, 115 Goya One, 94 Kode FW. at home on a rack is hyfly primo, mistral equipe 2 'concept', and the JP 10'9. Most sailing is on the Chespaeake which is front-driven winds of any strength, or feeble thermals, but usually not long-lived at any speed. Have also sailed hatteras/obx throughout but it is a little over 6hr drive. took the big trip to maui and sailed kanaha. have been going in ocean 'local' 3 hr drive periodically throughout but always concentrated on winds over 15mph using goya and other boards before that.

it is this lightwind windsup wavesailing that is an all 'new' thing for me. hugely enjoyable, simple, relaxing fun. i'm just trying to figure out how to do it 1/2 decent and maximize that enjoyment :) * in general, there is relatively little WS activity here, and prolly even less agreement on how it might be done with what gear, where, etc

LNC



btw - the exocet kona 10'5 and 11'5 are on my radar scrn as well ;)

forceten
782 posts
3 Sep 2019 10:45PM
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LNC, What are others using in the conditions you describe? The posters can have very different ideas as to what light wind is. You have high wind skills.
my thought is a small WindSup, as a SeaLion, 10 or so.
you won't know what you have been missing till you fill the gap.
I quite like Naish, must be a similar equivalent , take advantage of the after summer sales.
Go for it.

John340
QLD, 1979 posts
4 Sep 2019 12:51AM
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I'm a similar weight. I have a full range of GPS slalom gear for bay sailing and a 103 Kode for bump and jump. However on the odd occasion I go light wind wave sailing I use a Fanatic 8' 9" Allwave SUP, which I also use for surfing. You could try your 10'9" SUP. It's probably too big to properly manoeuver on the wave but good enough to sail out and catch some swell on the way in.

LNC
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4 Sep 2019 12:12AM
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forceten said..
LNC, What are others using in the conditions you describe? The posters can have very different ideas as to what light wind is. You have high wind skills.
my thought is a small WindSup, as a SeaLion, 10 or so.
you won't know what you have been missing till you fill the gap.
I quite like Naish, must be a similar equivalent , take advantage of the after summer sales.
Go for it.





well, few others to take example from in realty. at obx, locals prolly do it but little chance of being at the right beach, right time to even see it unless somehow in the loop. that is basically one/yr trip for me at best. I get the feeling they are on shorter windsups; but have more windsurf skills, sup surf skills and better breaks available to them, than I do from my more accessible 3 hr drive to local coast. maybe mistaken, but i'd say this has been motivation for looking at longer boards - some prospect of catching 'anything' before it is critical, and in that way, getting the most bang for my buck on these infrequent trips

the jp catches waves but without a board to physically compare rocker with etc, I wonder if i'm robbing myself of a better surfing experience. there are naish videos that at least give me confidence they surf well in small waves, and good bit of chit chat about them in waves and even some vids as well. little uncertain if 10'6 naish is plenty and more than enough for this, or 11'4 will be silly fun better somehow.

it amazes me but seems to be no talk of sailing a jp 10'9 in waves beyond what I've posted right there above (which is not much). there is good bit of chit chat and some vids of exocets. only an option if I find one used and I wonder if any of those have been tested heads-up compared with a naish; noting exocets are intended to plane off in WS mode which is not my focus for this board.

overall - little prospects for seeing before buying, much less riding. imagine getting a new board just to see it is more or less same as the old one with not much prospect of being different/better :O n or riding for years only to somehow learn there was more fun board available the whole time :O

as it stands - other than typing, i'm keeping hands in pocket, planning to work on skills with old board until somehow become fairly certain something else will really help. meanwhile - closeout season is slipping by

forceten
782 posts
4 Sep 2019 12:21AM
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Call Ken at Ocean Air in Avon.
He will prob point you towards a board they carry.
call Andy at WindNC, now in Vermont.
explain your desires and don't embellish your abilities .
call Derek at Delta Windsurf in Calif, Rio Vista.

call Keith at CNCFINS.COM, he prob as a fin designer , won't have anything to purchase, but he has awesome fins and advise.

LNC
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4 Sep 2019 12:27AM
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forceten said..
Call Ken at Ocean Air in Avon.
He will prob point you towards a board they carry.
call Andy at WindNC, now in Vermont.
explain your desires and don't embellish your abilities .
call Derek at Delta Windsurf in Calif, Rio Vista.

call Keith at CNCFINS.COM, he prob as a fin designer , won't have anything to purchase, but he has awesome fins and advise.




i think you are right! he actually spent rather large amt of time watching me swing around on various harnesses in the store - patience and experience ;)

i'd bet any one of them is familiar with sealion, some chance at naish , mebbe exo, but guessing none has seen a JP 10'9. personally - i dont have the context to estimate how much surfing a board this size might be capable, with exception of naish vids

Mark _australia
WA, 19467 posts
4 Sep 2019 3:54PM
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LNC - to clarify, I was asking if LeeD is actually a windsurfer, given his retarded posts at times.

Anyway at your weight, you could sail a 116 or 118 Goya Quad. They are great for float n ride

Likewise 120L Nuevo if you can find one.

Not that I've down windSUP yet but any proper wave SUP.
Just not a 150L freeride board, no matter what some may say

LeeD
654 posts
4 Sep 2019 11:33PM
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Yup, some consider anything less than 25 as light wind, needing an equal float to slog on the inside.
Some use volume of full sinkers full time, like 65 liters for a sailor weighing 170 lbs. That is what they consider normal.
What is light, medium, or high wind to you?

azymuth
WA, 747 posts
5 Sep 2019 8:26AM
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LeeD said..
Yup, some consider anything less than 25 as light wind, needing an equal float to slog on the inside.
Some use volume of full sinkers full time, like 65 liters for a sailor weighing 170 lbs. That is what they consider normal.
What is light, medium, or high wind to you?



You're stuck in the 1980's

LeeD
654 posts
5 Sep 2019 8:45AM
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Got me.
Last surfsailing session was '16 on a Starboard quad 76, wind 14-22 on a 1997 North Convert 5.2.
Palo Marin was chest high and medium tide. Had trouble getting g back up the cliff after the 1.5 hour session, just too pooped for this then 66 year old. Bud carried my rig up.

515
281 posts
6 Sep 2019 3:52PM
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Used to be a wave sailor with a house on taranaki coast so yes understand the smaller board better performance on the a good size down the line wave with 88 liter wave board and 5.9m wave sail and in side/offshore can trog to windline and be in action.
With family life I want to be able to get on the water and make most of conditions. I have an Exocet windsup to sail in offshore but when its cross onish and not that windy I can get out into windline and ride the fatish waves. Naish nalu and Fanatic sup boards usually have insert to screw uni into and with tail rocker you will be able to get some turns
Sealoin look more wave focused but you probably want at least waist high face.
Good luck

AlexF
204 posts
6 Sep 2019 8:04PM
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I use a Stubby SUP with 130 liters, the shape is much like the F-One Papenoo 7'11. This board works really good for riding waves when they have some push and are about waist high or higher.
For anything smaller and less pushy than that i use my board with a Supfoil under it.
So the boardsize for you really depends on how much push/height the waves have which you want to ride?
Alex

LeeD
654 posts
7 Sep 2019 4:53AM
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Why not ride what you got?
My 150 Fly does just fine up to 18 mph breeze, and at 9'6", isn't horrible for cutbacks and otlips.
Watch the pearling.

Mark _australia
WA, 19467 posts
7 Sep 2019 1:04PM
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LeeD said..
Yup, some consider anything less than 25 as light wind, needing an equal float to slog on the inside.
Some use volume of full sinkers full time, like 65 liters for a sailor weighing 170 lbs. That is what they consider normal.
What is light, medium, or high wind to you?


He was clearly asking about wind light enough for windSUP.

As to use what you're got I agree.
But when people ask what is best, its not helpful to suggest what you've got

LNC
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7 Sep 2019 7:17PM
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AlexF said..
I use a Stubby SUP with 130 liters, the shape is much like the F-One Papenoo 7'11. This board works really good for riding waves when they have some push and are about waist high or higher.
For anything smaller and less pushy than that i use my board with a Supfoil under it.
So the boardsize for you really depends on how much push/height the waves have which you want to ride?
Alex




I think you're right on about the actual wave and break being key to a board that makes most of conds.

i guess worth differentiating a wobble/ride experience at a decent wave from a casual sailing experience, catching swell with less of a surfing wave. let's say it is a family trip to the beach and no sandblast wind conditions, no great surf break location, no med-large waves (and no LeedD). since I don't live real close to the ocean, this is my easiest-to-achieve beach trip. and with a smallish sail and only slight breeze, the JP 10'9 sails out comfy and without effort, then catches a wave every tack since it can catch swell before it is really jacking up or critical without much power from a sail, and allows for some ride experience. it doesn't need footstraps or harness. it's hugely engaging and fun, but leaves me wondering if a naish nalu for example would be a little more surfey feel and turn :)

i'm a little surprised how little content is available about litewind wavesailing in general, and the JP 10'9 in particular. not sure if it's the board, the marketing, or lack of people actually doing this sort of thing. i'm sure it could have a larger market since it asks so little in conds or skill really. there is a bit more www content about the naish boards used in windsup mode, but if internet content is the measure - Exocet kona's of one type or another dominate. but there are smallest indications of a more surfey experience in these conditions using 12' custom boards due to the feeling and reality of their glide vs boards designed to plane off in windsurf mode, ie can do both. and of course lots of good reviews for shorter windsups in more powerful conds. would be great to have all this kit on the beach one day to give it all a spin but that is just not happening here/now for sure.

idk - I believe 'use what you have' is wtg but doesn't mean it's end of the road either

here's a worthwhile vid of Jeff Henderson of HotSailsMaui sailing what I believe is a Sean Ordonez custom 12' with no much wind, but a much better quality wave than is available to me without airfare :)

LeeD
654 posts
8 Sep 2019 1:57AM
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"Best or better, or even good", is subject to interpretation.

AlexF
204 posts
8 Sep 2019 4:12AM
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Your SUP may work for riding waves in longboardstyle.
But that's not the way I ride my windsup in the waves. I prefer riding frontside top to bottom, and for this I found SUPs longer than 9 foot just too clumsy.

slowpoke2
QLD, 17 posts
8 Sep 2019 6:21AM
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Hey personally I have an Exocet 10.2 windsurf .
I'm an old lazy experienced sailor..
It does it in light winds and anything up to about 2 metres.

Al1
23 posts
9 Sep 2019 7:43PM
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At your weight I would definitely get a 10'5 Exocet longboard (ex Kona/Curve).
Or if you want even more confort and security , then maybe the 11'5.
You get the best of both world, for both waves and flat water, windy or not. It will float you just as well as a longboard SUP, the long waterline and rocker makes it easy to go upwind even when not planning, and if the wind starts to blow seriously you have a real planning fast freewave board too, unlike any windSUP which are real dogs with their super curvy rocker. And it turns ! I've had the old Kona 10'5, and still have the Kona 9'5, at 75kgs for me it's the ultimate funboard and it rocks in the waves, I'll never sell it.



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