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New wave board for Severne?

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Created by Basher 9 months ago, 23 Jul 2020
Basher
319 posts
23 Jul 2020 8:06AM
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Lifted from a shop site in the UK.
New board for 2021.


Introducing the new Severne PYRO. Designed in collaboration with PWA World Champion Philip Koster, this board offers faster speed and acceleration yet suitable for all wave sailing conditions, especially for onshore/cross onshore and for jump moves.
Compared to the Nano2 - faster
Compared to the Mako - better suited for onshore/cross on and jumping, rather than Down The Line riding.

SIZE LENGTH WIDTH FINS
83 221 58 W1 Series 2 x 110/180

87 222 59 W1 Series 2 x 110/190

93 223 60.5 W1 Series 2 x 110/200

99 226 61.5 W1 Series 2 x 110/200

105 228 62.5 W1 Series 2 x 110/210


Manawa
103 posts
24 Jul 2020 4:28PM
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Wow Wow between Mako and Nano? More info?

Basher
319 posts
24 Jul 2020 9:06PM
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I have yet to see one of these, or to see any photos. Although Koster is probably already on a custom version, painted up to look like a Nano.
What a shame we have no PWA wave events in the Canaries this year, broadcast live in the usual way. This is one way we usually get to hear about and see the new gear.

But let's comment about waveboard shapes and speculate a bit.

I can talk about the Nano first:
The Nano is a great wave board already in the Severne range but it's not the easiest to sail for the heavier rider. Being a stubby it requires a lot of input from the driver to get it going and that's down to it being so short, plus it has quite a bit of tail kick, plus the full rails can stick until you've popped the board out of the water when getting going. That said, I love my Nano 82 and it won't be going anywhere because it's one of my favourite boards in waves. So loose.

So the Pyro?
The heavier sailor can use his weight to turn a board more and so he often needs less rocker, and a faster rocker can also help the heavier guy plane earlier and then give better top speed for jumping. So the new Pyro probably has less tail kick and the figures suggest it's relatively wide to allow the board to sit higher in the water without rails sticking to further help early planing. (Although how low a board sits in the water also depends on the weight of the sailor on it.)
Note too that the Pyro is 221cms to 228cms long, so that's significantly longer than the Nano, making it more directional.

As a 73kgs sailor most of these Pyros look too big for me, but I'll be looking closely at the 83 litre version for south coast onshore conditions where I live in the UK. At the moment, I tend to use the Severne Dyno 85 for those conditions.
The Dyno is sold as an all round freewave board but in the smaller sizes (85litres and 95 litres) it's actually a really good wave board if you shift the mast foot to the back of the track and reduce the fin area in the rear. Set up correctly this way it's fast, early planing and pretty loose on the average wave face.

Finally, what will Severne do when they run out of names ending in 'O' ?
My vote would be for a waveboard aimed at the older windsurfer, perhaps named the Wino.

leto
142 posts
25 Jul 2020 2:48AM
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Nice. Good to find that I already have Pyro.. It's called Quatro Cube Quad 95L. Exact same measurements and can be sailed as twin or quad.
quatrowindsurfing.com/boards/production/windsurfing-2016/cube/

Basher
319 posts
25 Jul 2020 7:07AM
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leto said..
Nice. Good to find that I already have Pyro.. It's called Quatro Cube Quad 95L. Exact same measurements and can be sailed as twin or quad.
quatrowindsurfing.com/boards/production/windsurfing-2016/cube/



Weird then that all the sizes and dimensions are different, and the Quatro has to be set as a quad.
The Pyro specs are totally different, and it has five boxes, but hey.

Sea Lotus
151 posts
25 Jul 2020 8:12PM
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This board will get hot

Nicko29
26 posts
26 Jul 2020 1:10AM
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Nice one !
My guess is that it'll be similar in feel to the SB kode that Koster was used to sail.

Shapewise (from the drawing and the specs), it looks very similar to the GRIP (or ULTRA MOSQUITO 2021) and to the GOYA CUSTOM 3.

Will Severne continue to have the Mako, Nano and the Dyno in its range alongside this new Pyro ? 4 differents waveboards x the may sizes = a lot of stock for the shops ! Good for us, end customer, though.

RuaraidhK257
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27 Jul 2020 4:09AM
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Nicko29 said..
Nice one !
My guess is that it'll be similar in feel to the SB kode that Koster was used to sail.

Shapewise (from the drawing and the specs), it looks very similar to the GRIP (or ULTRA MOSQUITO 2021) and to the GOYA CUSTOM 3.

Will Severne continue to have the Mako, Nano and the Dyno in its range alongside this new Pyro ? 4 differents waveboards x the may sizes = a lot of stock for the shops ! Good for us, end customer, though.


The grip is much more of a traditional waveboard, this looks much faster and flatter. Less smooth grippy railwork, more speed and slidiness which is how Koster sails. I doubt they'll be very similar at all

Nicko29
26 posts
27 Jul 2020 8:50PM
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Well you may be right. I double checked the grip specs and they are actually narrower than this pyro and the previous fanatic triwave and quads.
Still I find the outline very similar (wide round pointy nose, rounded rails more than parallel, light swallow tail).
As a 75kg average Brittany wavesailor, I would be very happy to test the pyro 87 in those lightwind days we have so much around here. It looks more appealing than the rest of the severne range to me, for lightwind. Interestingly this board might have been developed in the Pozo constant gale force wind...

Manawa
103 posts
27 Jul 2020 11:33PM
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Yes the Mako in 2021 will stay the same, also the graphic.

Basher
319 posts
28 Jul 2020 9:19AM
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I hear the Dyno has had a nose job for 2021.

Manawa
103 posts
28 Jul 2020 4:43PM
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Basher said..
I hear the Dyno has had a nose job for 2021.


Basher do you know if 5.0 Blade pro 2020 is less powerfull than my old Blade pro 5.0 2017? If yes do you suggest me to switch in 5.3 2020?
Thank

Basher
319 posts
29 Jul 2020 9:10AM
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No idea. I use S1s. Great wave sails.

leto
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29 Jul 2020 9:21AM
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Sea Lotus said..
This board will get hot


And we need that board to run colder to achieve unimaginable speeds and avoid going pyro. :) Also the Quatro quad 95 size is very similar in size and it can totally be sailed as twin.

seabreezer
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29 Jul 2020 3:19PM
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Manawa said..


Basher said..
I hear the Dyno has had a nose job for 2021.




Basher do you know if 5.0 Blade pro 2020 is less powerfull than my old Blade pro 5.0 2017? If yes do you suggest me to switch in 5.3 2020?
Thank



I would stay on the 5.0 .... doubt there's any difference in bottom end ...

What you should for sure do - is invest in the new enigma 150/200 shape - tail end is wider (on that specific model ONLY) - the 140/190 is similar width back end to old one - On the new 150/200 you can bag yr sail out even more without touching the sides .... like one hole less than your previous fullest setting ( vs the previous enigma ) ....

Manawa
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29 Jul 2020 4:02PM
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seabreezer said..

Manawa said..


Basher said..
I hear the Dyno has had a nose job for 2021.




Basher do you know if 5.0 Blade pro 2020 is less powerfull than my old Blade pro 5.0 2017? If yes do you suggest me to switch in 5.3 2020?
Thank



I would stay on the 5.0 .... doubt there's any difference in bottom end ...

What you should for sure do - is invest in the new enigma 150/200 shape - tail end is wider (on that specific model - the 140/190 is similar width back end to old one- you can bag yr sail out even more without touching the sides .... like one hole less than your previous fullest setting ( vs the previous enigma )


Oh thank guys, @seabreezer I've already bought the new Enigma in 140-190 that I relly love, thank for the tips, eh I've not think to the tail end. I ask about Blade pro 2020 because last week I've find a man coming form Germany with a new one Blade pro 5.7 and he said me that Blade pro 2018 was more powerfull, (the mine is 2017 5.0 pro version and 4.5 2020 normal version). Correct, Bascher said I use S1 and me too, but I am plannig to go in Blade pro, why? No waves this year I can't go in MRU border are closed until 31/8 (ande I've bought the tiket in jennuary ). Using the new 4.5 normal blade in Garda Lake I've found that for B&J is really great, is more suitable than my S1 pro 4.4. I've sold my 4.0 S1 pro 2018 for the new Blade pro 4.2 2020 (that is coming from Germany in Italy in about 10 days... I hope , because my girlfriend don't love very much S1 pro 4.0 she love Blade, but fortunatly she love S1 pro 2018 3.6 ). At the moment we have a sort of family war within S1 pro and Balde/Balde pro, but my S1 pro 4.4 will survive, don't tuch my S1 pro 4.4 this sail his mine. Hope to go in waves but I don't know when...

Basher
319 posts
29 Jul 2020 7:28PM
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I'm not sure how this turned in to a Severne sails discussion, but, hey.
I'll add to it.

I have the new Enigma boom but don't set my sails any differently on it.
All Severne wave sails can be set with neutral outhaul but I find having 1cm+ of outhaul makes them more stable because that tightens the lower leech and stabilises the the main drive in the boom area. Having positive outhaul also helps the sail (any sail) pump better.

If you bag out the sail for extra power going as far negative outhaul doesn't do much except make the centre of pull shift all over the place - and that's true on any rotational sail. (Negative outhaul only really works for camber induced rigs).
To get more power in really light winds for that sail size, better to ease the downhaul a touch, to tighten the upper leach a bit, and then re-set the outhaul to neutral or a minimal amount at 1cm.

The discussion about which version of the Blades or S1s is better or more powerful is a complicated one because all these sails have changed subtley in recent seasons. The original pro Blades were indeed very powerful and much more grunty than the standard Blades.
The Pro S1s I had were my favourite sails for a while but economies forced me to change to standard S1s for 2019 which were still OK, but both types maybe suffered from not having great top end.
I can tell you that the 2020 standard S1s are however completely different, and they set with a much looser leech at the head. They still have a lot of low end power for those marginal onshore days, but now have really good top end too. So you don't need to buy pro versions of the sails to get quality. These new S1s are in fact my favourite sails ever.

The S1s are obviously 4 batten and are Severne's best design for onshore wave conditions - where you need that constant drive on the wave.
The standard Blades set flatter and go more neutral in the hands, and that makes them perhaps better for blasting around, but the Blade also comes into its on when sailing cross to cross off when you need the sail to depower on the wave face because of the increase in apparent wind.

Manawa
103 posts
30 Jul 2020 5:49PM
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Basher said..
I'm not sure how this turned in to a Severne sails discussion, but, hey.
I'll add to it.

I have the new Enigma boom but don't set my sails any differently on it.
All Severne wave sails can be set with neutral outhaul but I find having 1cm+ of outhaul makes them more stable because that tightens the lower leech and stabilises the the main drive in the boom area. Having positive outhaul also helps the sail (any sail) pump better.

If you bag out the sail for extra power going as far negative outhaul doesn't do much except make the centre of pull shift all over the place - and that's true on any rotational sail. (Negative outhaul only really works for camber induced rigs).
To get more power in really light winds for that sail size, better to ease the downhaul a touch, to tighten the upper leach a bit, and then re-set the outhaul to neutral or a minimal amount at 1cm.

The discussion about which version of the Blades or S1s is better or more powerful is a complicated one because all these sails have changed subtley in recent seasons. The original pro Blades were indeed very powerful and much more grunty than the standard Blades.
The Pro S1s I had were my favourite sails for a while but economies forced me to change to standard S1s for 2019 which were still OK, but both types maybe suffered from not having great top end.
I can tell you that the 2020 standard S1s are however completely different, and they set with a much looser leech at the head. They still have a lot of low end power for those marginal onshore days, but now have really good top end too. So you don't need to buy pro versions of the sails to get quality. These new S1s are in fact my favourite sails ever.

The S1s are obviously 4 batten and are Severne's best design for onshore wave conditions - where you need that constant drive on the wave.
The standard Blades set flatter and go more neutral in the hands, and that makes them perhaps better for blasting around, but the Blade also comes into its on when sailing cross to cross off when you need the sail to depower on the wave face because of the increase in apparent wind.


Is always a plesure read and learn from your post Bascher thank a lot.

seabreezer
234 posts
1 Aug 2020 2:48PM
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btw Basher - you misunderstood my words ... I wasn't advocating for 'negative outhaul' settings ... I was suggesting you can bag your sails out further without mashing your sailcloth into the boom arms ... for instance , my 4.4 s1 2019 has a boom factory spec of 157 ... On the old enigma I would run at 156 (fairly full ) , and the sail would sit 'just off the boom arms' ... With the newer boom - I can set at 154 as lowest ... (which is still a slight bit of positive outhaul still ) ... sail sets fuller - gives it even more bottom end - have used it to really good effect side off conditions (very forward pulling /inflating when picking up a wave etc) .... but again - without mashing the sailcloth into the boom the whole time ... the newer enigma shape means less sail damage imo ...

Basher
319 posts
2 Aug 2020 10:51AM
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I have no problem with how others choose to set their sails, but I'm often surprised at their choices when it comes to slack outhaul. A rotational sail is not stable when set with slack outhaul.

I also ignore the given boom settings with any brand, and there's a good reason for that.
If you set your boom low - like I do - it sits near perpendicular to the mast, giving a near-minimum distance from luff to clew - and so you want a short setting. If, however you are tall, and like a high boom, then the font clamp end will be set much higher up the mast with the boom then angled downwards towards the sail clew. And the boom length required to get the same outhaul tension setting is then much longer.

But I never have the sail cloth touching the boom on any wave sail, and so boom width at the back end is not an issue for me.

R1DER
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2 Sep 2020 9:08PM
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Basher said..


Finally, what will Severne do when they run out of names ending in 'O' ?
My vote would be for a waveboard aimed at the older windsurfer, perhaps named the Wino.


It's an Aussie thing to add an O at the end of some names like Nick = Nico, Dave = Davo, Justin = Juzzo, the milkman= milko (showing my age a bit with that one) I sometimes get called MikeO and a few other names!!! I like how the Covid19 thing has been called Rona.

southsea
20 posts
8 Sep 2020 4:40AM
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Nicko29
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8 Sep 2020 4:47AM
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Foxy!

Madge
NSW, 333 posts
8 Sep 2020 9:56AM
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Nicko29 said..
Foxy!


Or do you mean FoxO.....

Basher
319 posts
8 Sep 2020 10:10AM
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That picture above, is the new Dyno, not the Fox.

But where did that picture come from? First one I've seen.
Apart from the colour change, it looks like it's had a nose job.

Brent in Qld
QLD, 516 posts
8 Sep 2020 12:56PM
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New Pyro = yumo
Dyno-3 looks sicko

Mitch Pearson
QLD, 207 posts
8 Sep 2020 2:55PM
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Basher said..
That picture above, is the new Dyno, not the Fox.

But where did that picture come from? First one I've seen.
Apart from the colour change, it looks like it's had a nose job.


www.scboardsports.com.au/collections/windsurf-boards

snorkel962
QLD, 385 posts
9 Sep 2020 6:15PM
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Looks in that link like there's a big Dyno in the mix! Hope so- bring it on!

Nicko29
26 posts
18 Sep 2020 5:09AM
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SevernO updated there websitO
21 will be black n whitO or full redO!

However, no newsO from the Pyro. Will they wait for Pozo 21?

Basher
319 posts
30 Oct 2020 9:55PM
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Pyro now officially launched:

www.severnesails.com/boards/pyro/

Nicko29
26 posts
30 Oct 2020 10:35PM
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Wow sexy !
Now I want one !!



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