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Should I get the 5.8 Ezzy Zeta or the 6.1 Elite?

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Created by MagicRide 29 days ago, 20 Feb 2019
MagicRide
82 posts
20 Feb 2019 12:29AM
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I have a 6.0 Naish 2009 all terain sail with a 453 luff and a 182 boom range that I want to replace with an Ezzy sail in comparable size, but I don't want the Cheetah. I want a bump and jump sail. The elite 6.1 looks closest in size to my old 6.0 sail. I'm aware of the huge range these sails have as I have a 2017 Zeta 6.8 and a 2017 legacy 5.2. Would a 6.1 elite be too large with its range compared to my old 6.0? Would a Zeta 5.8 with its sail range match up with my old 6.0 as far as the power it takes to plane, or would I be under powered? I'm worried that I'd be over powered with the elite 6.1. As you can see, my sail quiver consists of a 5.2, 6.0 and 6.8 sizes. Bottom line is, I'm looking for either an elite or zeta to take the place of my 6.0. Any suggestions would be great.

MagicRide
82 posts
20 Feb 2019 1:27AM
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I'm looking at the luff and boom measurements on the 6.1 elite and the measurements are pretty darn close to my 6.0 Naish sail, closer than the 5.8 Zeta. But still, curious what you all think on the Zeta or elite?

GazMan
WA, 699 posts
22 Feb 2019 3:53PM
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Strongly suggest emailing David Ezzy: david@ezzy.com

He may not be familiar with your Naish sail but he would offer the best advice re how the Elite 6.1 or Zeta 5.8 would fit in between your Zeta 6.8 and Legacy 5.2.

drdick
18 posts
23 Feb 2019 9:04AM
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howdy, might be able to help. Been on a zeta 5.8 for nearly 2 seasons now and had a 6.1 elite before[ obviously not the new model] I would go with the zeta. It has a huge wind range and in my opinion works incredibly well in the light wind end of things which will cover your 6.1 me reckons. I am around 92 kg give or take a few beers and sail95% of the time on a quarto cube 95 litre board. With the sail set on min 1 i can keep the board on the plain in 14 kts [ bearing away thru the lulls] Have noticed the zeta was graeme ezzys go to sail when the winds got light at the aloha this year. It is such a versatile sail, i use it almost exclusively for wave sailing but it would be a sick bump and jump sail. My only warning would be if you carry your gear on your head a bit like i do down the stairs at margies beware as i have stuffed the stitching on the lower panel where my head is [ no fault of the sail but something to watch]

MagicRide
82 posts
23 Feb 2019 2:17PM
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This is starting to sound good here! I emailed David Ezzy today and he got back to me and suggested the 5.8 Zeta as well. I'm 80kg and sail a 115L bump n jump board. This is my only board for all 3 sails by choice. I don't have to walk far at all to the launch spots. The water's edge is right where I park. Convenient!! Still interested to hear what other sailors have to say that have used those sail sizes.

NotWal
QLD, 6795 posts
24 Feb 2019 8:54PM
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drdick said..
howdy, might be able to help. Been on a zeta 5.8 for nearly 2 seasons now and had a 6.1 elite before[ obviously not the new model] I would go with the zeta. It has a huge wind range and in my opinion works incredibly well in the light wind end of things which will cover your 6.1 me reckons. I am around 92 kg give or take a few beers and sail95% of the time on a quarto cube 95 litre board. With the sail set on min 1 i can keep the board on the plain in 14 kts [ bearing away thru the lulls] Have noticed the zeta was graeme ezzys go to sail when the winds got light at the aloha this year. It is such a versatile sail, i use it almost exclusively for wave sailing but it would be a sick bump and jump sail. My only warning would be if you carry your gear on your head a bit like i do down the stairs at margies beware as i have stuffed the stitching on the lower panel where my head is [ no fault of the sail but something to watch]



Why would you say that's no fault of the sail. You should be able to carry it on your head without damaging stitching.

stonny
4 posts
26 Feb 2019 11:42AM
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I would definitely go with the zeta if I were you. The Elite would probably has the edge on low end power and pumpability because with one less batten it will be a more flexible sail. But this will come at a huge cost in terms of stability and top speed compared with the zeta.

Mastbender
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1 Mar 2019 9:17AM
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drdick said..
howdy, might be able to help. Been on a zeta 5.8 for nearly 2 seasons now and had a 6.1 elite before[ obviously not the new model] I would go with the zeta. It has a huge wind range and in my opinion works incredibly well in the light wind end of things which will cover your 6.1 me reckons. I am around 92 kg give or take a few beers and sail95% of the time on a quarto cube 95 litre board. With the sail set on min 1 i can keep the board on the plain in 14 kts [ bearing away thru the lulls] Have noticed the zeta was graeme ezzys go to sail when the winds got light at the aloha this year. It is such a versatile sail, i use it almost exclusively for wave sailing but it would be a sick bump and jump sail. My only warning would be if you carry your gear on your head a bit like i do down the stairs at margies beware as i have stuffed the stitching on the lower panel where my head is [ no fault of the sail but something to watch]





Why would you say that's no fault of the sail. You should be able to carry it on your head without damaging stitching.



Not forever, I've done the same thing, but it takes awhile, about 3 seasons for me, then I have to start to be careful with it. Where I sail, on top of your head works the best, we have to run between these big fat blobs for about 3 months of our w'surf season, and it's getting worse every year. We're learning to hate them, they breed like bacteria.

Yeah, I'd go with the Zeta also, they work better in the lulls.



MagicRide
82 posts
1 Mar 2019 12:06PM
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Any thoughts on the Zeta 6.4? That size is probably to close to my 6.8. And that leaves me with a huge gap from my Ezzy 5.2 - 6.4 size. I wish they made a 6.0 Zeta. But maybe a 5.8 is close enough. These sails are expensive so I'm looking at all the options here.

Ok, so between the 5.8 Zeta or 6.4 Zeta, which size would be the best?

Tardy
2828 posts
1 Mar 2019 5:25PM
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5.8 would be my pick . My 5.8 se wave sail has just as much grunt as my 6.0 cheetah .plus if your doing more bump and jump 5.8 's a ripper size .

forceten
541 posts
2 Mar 2019 10:03AM
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Zeta.

imo 4 batten sails belong under 6.0, the Elite being only slightly over.

Tardy
2828 posts
3 Mar 2019 6:58AM
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Put it this way ..
when I go on windsurfing trips I take a 6.0 &7.0
which is perfect
so in your case ....for sizing 5,8 &. 6.8 is perfect in my opinion .

MagicRide
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3 Mar 2019 8:31AM
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Tardy said..
Put it this way ..
when I go on windsurfing trips I take a 6.0 &7.0
which is perfect
so in your case ....for sizing 5,8 &. 6.8 is perfect in my opinion .



Thanks Tardy!! I'm feeling more confident about the 5.8 Zeta being the right choice.

Kai2000
WA, 11 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:46PM
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Hi MagicRide. Have you checked the Sailworks Revo? I have been sailing them for the last 4 seasons in all conditions and can not fault them . You can check the full range on Chris Potocnik's website (windsurf systems): windsurfsystems.com.au
Check out this review on the Revo if you want more info.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Sailworks-Revo-5-7?page=1#7

MagicRide
82 posts
6 Mar 2019 2:56AM
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Kai2000 said..
Hi MagicRide. Have you checked the Sailworks Revo? I have been sailing them for the last 4 seasons in all conditions and can not fault them . You can check the full range on Chris Potocnik's website (windsurf systems): windsurfsystems.com.au
Check out this review on the Revo if you want more info.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Sailworks-Revo-5-7?page=1#7


I've heard good things about them, but since I've invested in all Ezzy Hookipa masts now, I've moved to Ezzy sails too. Everything is all Ezzy now. I have really come to love the Ezzy sail and mast brand.

Shlogger
38 posts
6 Mar 2019 6:16AM
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Starting about 2 years ago, I love the Elites. They are so tunable. I have a 6.1 and 5.3. I primarliy wave sail.

MagicRide
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6 Mar 2019 1:15PM
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Shlogger said..
Starting about 2 years ago, I love the Elites. They are so tunable. I have a 6.1 and 5.3. I primarliy wave sail.


What size board are you on when you use the 6.1 elite and how much do you weigh? How much wind are you needing when using the 6.1?

forceten
541 posts
6 Mar 2019 11:28PM
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So far:
Elite 1
Zeta 7*
* David must count for a valued opinion.

either of these can work for you. The Elite to me is not a bad option. The Zeta of these is the best.
6.4 Elite...no way .

MagicRide
82 posts
7 Mar 2019 1:05AM
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forceten said..
So far:
Elite 1
Zeta 7*
* David must count for a valued opinion.

either of these can work for you. The Elite to me is not a bad option. The Zeta of these is the best.
6.4 Elite...no way .





You mean the 6.4 Zeta... no way? I talked to David and he told me the 6.4 Zeta is an option if I was not fully powered most of the time on my Naish 6.0 sail, and the 5.8 Zeta would work as well if I'm usually always powered up or sometimes over powered using my Naish 6.0. I'm still thinking zeta 5.8 for all these reasons, but hearing from all you guys too is a great peace of mind before I purchase. So when I'm on my Naish 6.0, I'm usually perfect for power, normally never over powered on it.

It seems the 6.1 elite has the power I want, closest to the specs of my Naish 6.0, but is not as stable and won't get me through the lulls like the Zeta from what I'm hearing. Again, I will be using the sail to bump n jump, carve in and out of big chop on lakes and on the Columbia Gorge and blasting around at times per ideal conditions.

NotWal
QLD, 6795 posts
7 Mar 2019 6:01PM
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Mastbender said..

NotWal said..



drdick said..
howdy, might be able to help. Been on a zeta 5.8 for nearly 2 seasons now and had a 6.1 elite before[ obviously not the new model] I would go with the zeta. It has a huge wind range and in my opinion works incredibly well in the light wind end of things which will cover your 6.1 me reckons. I am around 92 kg give or take a few beers and sail95% of the time on a quarto cube 95 litre board. With the sail set on min 1 i can keep the board on the plain in 14 kts [ bearing away thru the lulls] Have noticed the zeta was graeme ezzys go to sail when the winds got light at the aloha this year. It is such a versatile sail, i use it almost exclusively for wave sailing but it would be a sick bump and jump sail. My only warning would be if you carry your gear on your head a bit like i do down the stairs at margies beware as i have stuffed the stitching on the lower panel where my head is [ no fault of the sail but something to watch]






Why would you say that's no fault of the sail. You should be able to carry it on your head without damaging stitching.




Not forever, I've done the same thing, but it takes awhile, about 3 seasons for me, then I have to start to be careful with it. Where I sail, on top of your head works the best, we have to run between these big fat blobs for about 3 months of our w'surf season, and it's getting worse every year. We're learning to hate them, they breed like bacteria.

Yeah, I'd go with the Zeta also, they work better in the lulls.




So if you need to carry it on your head that's a legitimate design requirement. It shouldn't fail from carying it on your head.

forceten
541 posts
7 Mar 2019 10:52PM
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MagicRide said..


forceten said..
So far:
Elite 1
Zeta 7*
* David must count for a valued opinion.

either of these can work for you. The Elite to me is not a bad option. The Zeta of these is the best.
6.4 Elite...no way .







You mean the 6.4 Zeta... no way? I talked to David and he told me the 6.4 Zeta is an option if I was not fully powered most of the time on my Naish 6.0 sail, and the 5.8 Zeta would work as well if I'm usually always powered up or sometimes over powered using my Naish 6.0. I'm still thinking zeta 5.8 for all these reasons, but hearing from all you guys too is a great peace of mind before I purchase. So when I'm on my Naish 6.0, I'm usually perfect for power, normally never over powered on it.

It seems the 6.1 elite has the power I want, closest to the specs of my Naish 6.0, but is not as stable and won't get me through the lulls like the Zeta from what I'm hearing. Again, I will be using the sail to bump n jump, carve in and out of big chop on lakes and on the Columbia Gorge and blasting around at times per ideal conditions.



Sorry, brain fade.
the gap from 6.4 to 6.8 is too narrow.

i have the Zeta in 6.4, while I still think wave sails are 6.0 and down, the current trend is 4or3batten sails in smaller sizes, the Zeta with 5 battens is a really nice sail.

i feel some thoughts on the other sails on either size is critical, I would want something that's rangy .
put another way, if your quiver is closely spaced, you could look harder at the Elite 6.1.

this doesnt means applies to all, but I go, 5.4 5.9 6.4, in the range your looking at. 5.4 5.9 are custom sails, 6.4 aZeta.

MagicRide
82 posts
7 Mar 2019 11:45PM
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forceten said..




MagicRide said..






forceten said..
So far:
Elite 1
Zeta 7*
* David must count for a valued opinion.

either of these can work for you. The Elite to me is not a bad option. The Zeta of these is the best.
6.4 Elite...no way .











You mean the 6.4 Zeta... no way? I talked to David and he told me the 6.4 Zeta is an option if I was not fully powered most of the time on my Naish 6.0 sail, and the 5.8 Zeta would work as well if I'm usually always powered up or sometimes over powered using my Naish 6.0. I'm still thinking zeta 5.8 for all these reasons, but hearing from all you guys too is a great peace of mind before I purchase. So when I'm on my Naish 6.0, I'm usually perfect for power, normally never over powered on it.

It seems the 6.1 elite has the power I want, closest to the specs of my Naish 6.0, but is not as stable and won't get me through the lulls like the Zeta from what I'm hearing. Again, I will be using the sail to bump n jump, carve in and out of big chop on lakes and on the Columbia Gorge and blasting around at times per ideal conditions.







Sorry, brain fade.
the gap from 6.4 to 6.8 is too narrow.

i have the Zeta in 6.4, while I still think wave sails are 6.0 and down, the current trend is 4or3batten sails in smaller sizes, the Zeta with 5 battens is a really nice sail.

i feel some thoughts on the other sails on either size is critical, I would want something that's rangy .
put another way, if your quiver is closely spaced, you could look harder at the Elite 6.1.

this doesnt means applies to all, but I go, 5.4 5.9 6.4, in the range your looking at. 5.4 5.9 are custom sails, 6.4 aZeta.





I kind of had a feeling the zeta 6.4 was too close to my 6.8. What's your thoughts on the elite 6.1 for lakes with lots of big chop great for jumping and of course sailing the gorge. I don't sail in the ocean, so I don't know if that's a deal breaker for the elite? How does the elite perform in blasting along? There are some lulls where I sail here and there. I just don't want the elite to loose power through some lulls. Plus I never sailed anything less than 5 battens. I guess I'm just looking for a happy medium closest to my 6.0 Naish sail. Has to be Ezzy and not the Lion, Cheetah or Legacy. I'm just concerned the 5.8 Zeta won't give me enough power for the wind conditions I need it for. The 6.1 elite will be perfect for power, no doubts there, but am I going to have issues in lulls and issues with stability? If stability is an issue with the elite, and if it doesn't excel in lulls, and blasting, I wil most likely get the 5.8 Zeta.

stonny
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Wednesday , 20 Mar 2019 3:48PM
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If you buy the 6.1 elite, you'll love how early it gets you planing. It won't be far behind your 6.8.
Problem is, when you become over powered and have to change down to your 5.2 lagacy, you'll find yourself under powered. Then you will have to buy another sail to fill the gap. Just get the 5.8 zeta. The 0.6 gap up to this is ideal, and the one meter gap up to your 6.8 is okay . And then all three sails are 5 batten ,all will feel similar, and to be honest , there is no point in having a 4 batten sail for bump and jump until you get below 5.0.
The 4 battened 6.1 elite will probably have the equivalent pover of a 5 battened 6.3. This will effectively give you 1.1 meter gap from your 5.2 legacy, and a half meter jump up to your 6.8.
Crazy. If I were in your footstraps, my fantasy sail would be a 5.9 zeta.
But 5.8 is close.
Good luck.



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