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Shooting at Metts today...

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Created by stehsegler > 9 months ago, 7 Jan 2018
stehsegler
WA, 2954 posts
7 Jan 2018 12:15PM
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I am doing Daddy daycare today ... not sure it counts as beach activity for the kids but I am planing on doing some filming at Metts today. Video will be posted here. Here is hoping someone worth filming will actually be on the water

christo
WA, 36 posts
7 Jan 2018 12:30PM
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What time r you heading down?

stehsegler
WA, 2954 posts
7 Jan 2018 2:05PM
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Will probably be there from 3 till the kids start complaining.

Greenroom
WA, 7475 posts
7 Jan 2018 3:02PM
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Rider will be there I'm sure but filming him may put viewers asleep

R1DER
WA, 1193 posts
7 Jan 2018 8:13PM
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Greenroom said..
Rider will be there I'm sure but filming him may put viewers asleep


Yes little Greenie I made a guest appearance at my local . You know I'm camera shy and try to avoid the paparazzi, not like some little show ponies I know
I thought my crash and burns, fall in gybes, walks of shame back up the beach, getting dragged over the rocks were quite funny and entertaining.

Big Al
WA, 258 posts
7 Jan 2018 9:14PM
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Not to mention your no hand...no catch....no make tacks there Rider...
Don't worry, Stehsegler will make you look like a pro.

stehsegler
WA, 2954 posts
7 Jan 2018 9:51PM
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Only got about 15 minutes of footage from the drone. When I switched batteries I got informed by a friendly council worker (not a ranger) that you are not allowed to operate drones from public council land within the City of Stirling council area. This means legally you are not allowed to operate from public land between Scarborough and Watermans Beach. I did ask who I have to call to get a permit but he didn't know.Did a little digging and found some references of people being refused permits to fly commercially even with CASA certification. Now the interesting bit. CASA controls airspace not the council. So legally if you launch from private land and follow to CASA regulations (line of sight, don't fly above people, don't fly within 30 meters of structures) it's no longer an issues as CASA controls airspace not the city of Stirling.I will call them tomorrow to see if I can talk to someone with common sense is to see what the situation with permits is. Otherwise does anyone know someone that owns a property overlooking Metts?

Greenroom
WA, 7475 posts
7 Jan 2018 10:18PM
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R1DER said..

Greenroom said..
Rider will be there I'm sure but filming him may put viewers asleep



Yes little Greenie I made a guest appearance at my local . You know I'm camera shy and try to avoid the paparazzi, not like some little show ponies I know
I thought my crash and burns, fall in gybes, walks of shame back up the beach, getting dragged over the rocks were quite funny and entertaining.


You didn't call me Bob for no reason Mr Miyagi.
Only now I have no one to get in the way of.

R1DER
WA, 1193 posts
8 Jan 2018 7:13AM
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Greenroom said..

R1DER said..


Greenroom said..
Rider will be there I'm sure but filming him may put viewers asleep




Yes little Greenie I made a guest appearance at my local . You know I'm camera shy and try to avoid the paparazzi, not like some little show ponies I know
I thought my crash and burns, fall in gybes, walks of shame back up the beach, getting dragged over the rocks were quite funny and entertaining.



You didn't call me Bob for no reason Mr Miyagi.
Only now I have no one to get in the way of.


Yep going to change your name from Bobbing around in the break to Nigel no mates sailing all alone. I see you!


R1DER
WA, 1193 posts
8 Jan 2018 7:16AM
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Big Al said..
Not to mention your no hand...no catch....no make tacks there Rider...
Don't worry, Stehsegler will make you look like a pro.


I was hoping no one saw that Big Al !!!

Reflex Films
WA, 1357 posts
8 Jan 2018 10:07AM
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stehsegler said..
Only got about 15 minutes of footage from the drone. When I switched batteries I got informed by a friendly council worker (not a ranger) that you are not allowed to operate drones from public council land within the City of Stirling council area. This means legally you are not allowed to operate from public land between Scarborough and Watermans Beach. I did ask who I have to call to get a permit but he didn't know.Did a little digging and found some references of people being refused permits to fly commercially even with CASA certification. Now the interesting bit. CASA controls airspace not the council. So legally if you launch from private land and follow to CASA regulations (line of sight, don't fly above people, don't fly within 30 meters of structures) it's no longer an issues as CASA controls airspace not the city of Stirling.I will call them tomorrow to see if I can talk to someone with common sense is to see what the situation with permits is. Otherwise does anyone know someone that owns a property overlooking Metts?


Even as a CASA qualified flyer I am finding it harder and harder to do my work. (mostly real estate and commercial/ industrial buidling fly overs / site visualisations. Clients call and want a job done that arvo (might be a critical crane lift or time sensitive process on site) - and councils work at the speed of sloth so you cant even get them to turn around approvals in time.

Its very frustrating. I end up flying by stealth, or launching from private property (which I did off the top of a 20 storey building in the city - the shots were epic)

Take into account wind, light, bloody kitesurfers, public concerns about privacy (you are public enemy number one when people see you with that controller) client requirements and red tape and its certainly a very complicated space. It was easier back in the day when we just threw a big noisy helicopter in the air! (even then Kitesurfers managed to shut down more than 1 shoot chasing down and trying to get shot by the Helicopter - once in Hawaii and twice in WA -Margs and woodies)

Interesting to hear about the transition between air space control between CASA and local authorities.

stehsegler
WA, 2954 posts
8 Jan 2018 11:03AM
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Reflex Films said..

Take into account wind, light, bloody kitesurfers, public concerns about privacy (you are public enemy number one when people see you with that controller) client requirements and red tape and its certainly a very complicated space. It was easier back in the day when we just threw a big noisy helicopter in the air! (even then Kitesurfers managed to shut down more than 1 shoot chasing down and trying to get shot by the Helicopter - once in Hawaii and twice in WA -Margs and woodies)

Interesting to hear about the transition between air space control between CASA and local authorities.


I think Councils should stick to their core business:1) don't be corrupt
2) provide services for local residentsThe End.

Realistically there should be a single 12 month permit for business use. Of course council would charge for that and you would need one for every council. Which seems like a huge replication of services plus how do you negotiate with commercial air traffic? Perhaps a federal approach and licensing system would make more sense. Oh wait... wait a minute... that's right... I think that's the point of CASA.In a nutshell though if you can take off from private land with a 30 meter clearance around you, you are safe. The same goes if you take off from a neighbouring council with no restrictions or a boat off shore.

Bails
WA, 137 posts
8 Jan 2018 2:32PM
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Is it better if you launch from a boat (or kayak even)? I would have thought local govt jurisdiction would end at the beach. (Looking at the City of Stirling map now, the boundary sometimes hugs the shoreline, it some areas (Scarbs included) it looks to be a couple of road widths out to sea.

Bails
WA, 137 posts
8 Jan 2018 2:34PM
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maps.stirling.wa.gov.au/intramaps80/

stehsegler
WA, 2954 posts
8 Jan 2018 4:39PM
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Bails said..
Is it better if you launch from a boat (or kayak even)? I would have thought local govt jurisdiction would end at the beach.


The Beach inspector I spoke to thinks council controls the ocean up to 200 meters out to sea. However given the pay grade these guys would be on I doubt they have enough legal knowledge give out well informed advice. I am guessing if you ask anyone in council they will be all saying "council is responsible for regulating". However if you ask anyone in council "who would pay for xyz" they'd probably tell you it's a state or federal problem.However there are a number of residential vacant private blocks in the area. Wouldn't be hard to launch from there and then fly out over the cliffs. Not much they can do once you are in the air. Probably best though to have a print out of the legislation handy.

Greenroom
WA, 7475 posts
8 Jan 2018 10:49PM
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Did anyone get shot at Metts today?

stehsegler
WA, 2954 posts
8 Jan 2018 11:17PM
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Greenroom said..
Did anyone get shot at Metts today?


No... ran out of ammo... :-(But hoping to stock up tomorrow.

rob101
WA, 60 posts
10 Jan 2018 6:44PM
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It is 200m out. I read the by law that covers it.

stehsegler
WA, 2954 posts
10 Jan 2018 8:46PM
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rob101 said..
It is 200m out. I read the by law that covers it.


I tried... I couldn't find it on their web site.

That said I called CASA and asked for clarification. Apparently once you are in the air as long as you control the aircraft from private land it's no longer the councils jurisdiction.

Gav1n
WA, 9 posts
23 Jan 2018 10:15AM
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Wear a t-shirt that says"CASA CERTIFIED - NOT A PERV"



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