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URGENT - DOT Safety Equipment Review - YOU WILL BE IMPACTED

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Created by WindsurfingWA 2 months ago, 30 Oct 2019
WindsurfingWA
WA, 677 posts
30 Oct 2019 1:14PM
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Dear Members
The Department of Transport (DoT) is seeking your feedback on proposed changes to safety equipment requirements for recreational vessels in WA. As key stakeholders it is vital windsurfers provide feedback on the proposed changes to the safety equipment requirements as YOU WILL BE IMPACTED by the proposed changes.

If our voice is not heard, we will be ignored.

Windsurfing Western Australia supports some of the proposed measures as they offer a better solution to the current requirements. We acknowledge that these measures are contentious in the windsurfing community and impractical for wave sailing. As there is no chance of the current requirements being reduced we see improvement as the next best option.   Windsurfers will always be considered vessels and therefore treated differently to surfers and SUPs.

There are 3 ways to provide feedback

Complete the online feedback form (a guide to answering the questions is provided below)
Contact the DOT policy officer directly
Lisa Patrick
Marine Safety Policy Officer
Department of Transport
safetyequipreview@transport.wa.gov.au
Call them on 08 9435 7901

The following proposals ALL include windsurfers:

Link to Current Requirements - www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/kite-and-windsurfing.asp
Link to Survey - www.mysaytransport.wa.gov.au/safetyequipmentreview

Proposal 1 - SUPPORT (no real impact on windsurfing)
Vessel length will not restrict the distance a vessel can operate from shore.

Proposal 2 - SUPPORT
There will be no mandated safety equipment for any vessel in protected waters or within 400 metres of any shore in unprotected waters.

Proposal 3 - DO NOT SUPPORT (THIS IS OUR MAIN CHALLENGE)
It will be mandatory to carry an appropriately sized lifejacket with a minimum buoyancy of Level 100 (Type 1) for each person on board any vessel when operating more than 400 metres offshore in unprotected waters.



Suggested Feedback
There are currently no Type 100 windsurfing specific lifejackets available on the market as compared to the currently required Type 50 lifejackets.   In line with the guiding principles, the following feedback is provided



PRACTICALITY
It is impractical to apply a requirement to a user group that they can't achieve in a safe manner. While there are many styles of Type 100 lifejackets on the market they are not suitable for windsurfing. Type 100 lifejackets are not recommended for highspeed/high impact sports such as windsurfing. The cost of replacing the Type 50 lifejackets windsurfers currently use if high.

RESPONSIBILITY
Windsurfers are best placed to determine the safety equipment which offers the most benefit for the condition in which they choose to sail. Windsurfing CANNOT be compared to recreational boating as windsurfer choose to sail in high wind and surf conditions outside the typical safe operating limits for recreational boating.



SIMPLICITY
There is no practical or easy way to comply with the requirements with readily obtainable and easy to maintained lifejackets specific design and suitable for windsurfing.



STANDARDISED
The safety equipment should be as uniform as possible across all vessel types.   



EMERGENCY & SURVIVAL
Type 50 lifejackets currently worn before windsurfers offer a wearable, safe and practical means of assistance in an emergency or survival situation.

Proposal 4 - UNSURE or SUPPORT (more applicable to recreational boat owners)
When lifejacket carriage is mandated (Proposal 3), the wearing of a level 100 or higher lifejacket will be required for each person on any size vessel, if they are more than one year old and under the age of 12 years on board.

Proposal 5 - DO NOT SUPPORT
It will be mandatory to carry a Global Positioning System (GPS) enabled emergency position indicating radio beacon (EPIRB) on any vessel when operating more than 400 metres from shore in unprotected waters.

Suggested Feedback
Due to the size of EPIRBS currently on the market, PLBs offer a more practical solution as they can fit into a lifejacket pocket.



Proposal 6 - SUPPORT
A GPS enabled personal locating beacon (PLB) may be carried in lieu of an EPIRB provided the PLB is worn by at least one person on board at all times.

Proposal 7 - DO NOT SUPPORT
It will be mandatory to carry two in date hand-held orange smoke flares and two in date red hand-held flares on any vessel when operating more than 400 metres from shore in unprotected waters.

Suggested Feedback
4 smoke flares are very bulky and difficult to secure to a lifejacket.  Preference is for electronic night signalling devices



Proposal 8 - SUPPORT
An approved electronic night signalling device may be carried in lieu of flares if a GPS enabled EPIRB or PLB is also carried.

Proposal 9 - UNSURE
It will be mandatory to carry either a HF or VHF marine radio on any vessel when operating more than 4 nautical miles from shore in unprotected waters (27 MHz marine radios to be phased out over a five-year period).

4nm or 8km is a very long way offshore and not a typical distance a windsurfer will sail offshore

Proposal 10 - SUPPORT
It will not be mandatory to carry a fire extinguisher on any vessel.

Proposal 11 - SUPPORT

It will not be mandatory to carry or have fitted a means of removing unwanted water from any vessel.

Proposal 12 - SUPPORT

It will not be mandatory to carry an anchor or line on any vessel.

The DOT's GUIDING PRINCIPLES for their paper are:

RESPONSIBILITY
The onus of responsibility for safety equipment will be predominantly on the skipper, mandating only where necessary.


PRACTICALITY
Safety equipment requirements should be practical, effective and enable operators to comply at a reasonable cost.


SIMPLICITY
The safety equipment that is required should be simple to use, easy to comply with, readily obtainable and easy to maintain.


STANDARDISED
The safety equipment should be as uniform as possible across all vessel types.


EMERGENCY & SURVIVAL
Only safety equipment which directly promotes survival or rescue of people will be mandatory.

WindsurfingWA
WA, 677 posts
30 Oct 2019 4:30PM
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Proposals 10, 11 and 12 are for the current requirement to carry this equipment to be REMOVED. At present Windsurfers are given an exemption from the requirements BUT under the new regime, there will be NO exemptions so we need to support Proposals 10, 11 and 12.

kato
VIC, 2633 posts
30 Oct 2019 7:59PM
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Done. This is part of my reply, happy for people to use

Hi Lisa , I wish to voice my concern at some of the proposed changes for windsurfing.
I have windsurfed for 30 years all over Australia and in all types of waters.
Any buoyancy jacket represents an increased risk to our sport due to the conditions that we operate in. You cannot swim after equipment after a crash or submerge under a wave. Bailing out of a jump at height would cause considerable injuries to us.

Any stupid regulation like this would be ignored in the interest of our safety and be a waste of police resources trying to enforce.

We do not operate like yachts even though we are sailing, we are not surfing even though we are in the waves and we can travel at speeds of 80kph but we are not jet skis.
Our sport is Windsurfing and we should have our own regulations.
Thank you

timmybuddhadude
WA, 510 posts
31 Oct 2019 7:29PM
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Thankyou
Will be done again and again and again and again until they realise how stupid and unsafe this is because they dont do it anyway probably...
Many thanks

P.S Plse post kitesurfing page and everywhere possible
Ta

PhilCutter
WA, 19 posts
1 Nov 2019 8:33AM
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The DoT is hosting some face to face information sessions at the moment. If you want to emphasise how ridiculous these rules are then please head along to your nearest one l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.transport.wa.gov.au%2Fimarine%2Fsafety-equipment-review.asp&h=AT3yqpNGT3hs8jhaqlZE3621hlyUqqDqi-oNh9YrLoOObWdITp--vKgzBwue-STzIJN4iQOFfXQCi9yuZStTTtcEomLLo8-vlQ4SOo0W4u0cDF0uVwQ4Hhwk0HjR&s=1

elmo
WA, 8009 posts
1 Nov 2019 10:17AM
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PhilCutter said..
The DoT is hosting some face to face information sessions at the moment. If you want to emphasise how ridiculous these rules are then please head along to your nearest one l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.transport.wa.gov.au%2Fimarine%2Fsafety-equipment-review.asp&h=AT3yqpNGT3hs8jhaqlZE3621hlyUqqDqi-oNh9YrLoOObWdITp--vKgzBwue-STzIJN4iQOFfXQCi9yuZStTTtcEomLLo8-vlQ4SOo0W4u0cDF0uVwQ4Hhwk0HjR&s=1


Should have a couple of people turn up with all the gear (or simulations) they want you to carry attached to their bodies just to give a visual image of what they are suggesting.

1likeBJ
WA, 145 posts
1 Nov 2019 4:50PM
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I already wrote this response on the kite forum:

Thanks WWA - I've already submitted, in line with your recommendation for 1-9

However, totally disagree with 10, 11, 12.

10 - DO NOT SUPPORT This only applies to inboard engines. Running an inboard engine with no fire extinguisher on-board is crazy
11- DO NOT SUPPORT A bucket or a bailer on a boat is not onerous and can save your life
12 - DO NOT SUPPORT Again, not onerous on a dinghy or anything bigger and can save your life. There have been cases of very small tenders being blown away with a motor failure. People have died.

Your responses will be taken seriously. If you were running a support boat at an offshore break, wouldn't you want these things on board?

timmybuddhadude
WA, 510 posts
1 Nov 2019 9:18PM
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Elmo.. etc

Should have a couple of people turn up with all the gear (or simulations) they want you to carry attached to their bodies just to give a visual image of what they are suggesting.




Yeeah can anyone do that ? Unfortunately (or fortunately) i am in exmouth&slightly south etc this time of year that not on the list of places or i would for sure.please do.thanx

Bails
WA, 144 posts
5 Nov 2019 9:07AM
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I told them that lifejackets on windsurfers is like seatbelts on bicycles.

Mark _australia
WA, 19650 posts
6 Nov 2019 7:30AM
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^^^ hey it is the DOT - careful as the idiots might go for that

WindsurfingWA
WA, 677 posts
Wednesday , 15 Jan 2020 5:46PM
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We had a great meeting with the Minister for Transport yesterday to highlight our objection the new DoT proposals around life jackets for windsurfing. The DoT agreed to reconsider the proposals in light of our objections and your feedback from the online survey at the end of last year!

kato
VIC, 2633 posts
Thursday , 16 Jan 2020 7:23AM
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That's great news. Well done



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