Velocicraptor said..
A couple observations as I’m feeling these foils out (750/950 with 1050 or 1150 coming). Caveat that I’m mixing in some new tails too which is a secondary variable to confuse things.



these foils are far more efficient than the silk v1 and enduro. Once you are on foil they are faster and just feel smoother through the water. Very noticeable difference in feel. This is the biggest improvement - more efficiency than the enduro and similar roll to the silk v1.

the foils do pump with more drive than the v1s. 750 v2 pumps easier than the 850v1 and the 950 v2 pumps easier than the 1050 v1.

I’ve seen discussion saying the low end of these foils is dramatically better than the v1 silks but I’m not sure I agree. I’m not finding the same low end in the 950 v2 as I had in the 1050 v1.


the foils either ride more back footed than the v1 and enduro, or they want to be ridden further forward in the tracks. I’m riding them further forward than the enduro and v1 both of which I rode in a similar position.



overall very happy with these and finding that they have replaced both the v1 and enduro for me.

AFS said the Silk V2 should be a bit more forward in the tracks than V1

BWalnut said..

Velocicraptor said..
A couple observations as I’m feeling these foils out (750/950 with 1050 or 1150 coming). Caveat that I’m mixing in some new tails too which is a secondary variable to confuse things.



these foils are far more efficient than the silk v1 and enduro. Once you are on foil they are faster and just feel smoother through the water. Very noticeable difference in feel. This is the biggest improvement - more efficiency than the enduro and similar roll to the silk v1.

the foils do pump with more drive than the v1s. 750 v2 pumps easier than the 850v1 and the 950 v2 pumps easier than the 1050 v1.

I’ve seen discussion saying the low end of these foils is dramatically better than the v1 silks but I’m not sure I agree. I’m not finding the same low end in the 950 v2 as I had in the 1050 v1.


the foils either ride more back footed than the v1 and enduro, or they want to be ridden further forward in the tracks. I’m riding them further forward than the enduro and v1 both of which I rode in a similar position.



overall very happy with these and finding that they have replaced both the v1 and enduro for me.

Good stuff. Can't wait to get on them!

I've heard similar refutations on the low end being boosted so I don't think you are wrong there.

Can you clarify your efficiency comment? Is this winging? Or are you saying that you even think the new Silkv2 will be the go-to downwind/parawing foil from here on out? You were a 700/900 enduro guy right?

I’m wing and parawing and have been doing them both on the v2. I’m coming from v1 850/1050 and enduro9. I think silk v2 is a perfect parawing foil for me. More roll than the enduro with less drag as well. I’m not sure how to characterize the efficiency other than it is faster and makes the v1s feel a bit draggy in comparison. You get on foil and it just accelerates very quickly.



Could just be the learning curve of new gear but i feel like the v1s are a little more forgiving and less technical. I’m all in on the v2s and have sold all my other foils, but for punchy conditions or staying in the pocket I could definitely see the drag on the v1 being a better fit. For parawing and glide type riding I think the v2s are 100% the ticket.

Jeroensurf said..
It took a couple of weeks but I we are righht now on holiday in Portugal and I was finally able to try my Silk 850v2 with U carve140 (I also have the Usurf 132 but there were no significant really waves).
Set up:
97kg 52y old rider
SuperK V2pro 95l
UHM80mast, short fuse
Vayu Aura3 3m, 3.4 would be better and I saw also guys with 4.5 going allong...so I was a bit on the small size.

Get up and go:
Its hard to say somnething about that in 3m weather imo, but at least as good as the V1, maybe a tiny bit earlier but definitly not less.

Once on the foil going back and forth:
I don,t think they are more technical, but they are definitly faster and more slippy through the water.
Its hard to discribe but te keep it vague...it feels really really smooth,
I,m not a GPS speed chasing guy ans mainly going upwind to ride wavers or bumps DW but noticed my average was above 22km p/h and max speed 35.7 where that is normally 2-3km slower with both average and max.
Styallspeed feels similar.

riding and gliding:
No signifgicant waves, just some maybe waisthigh mush that was crowded with wingers, kiters an windsurfers, sdo catched a few and went further out just to ride the swell.
On the waves, there was no really pressure/lift difference and no issues with turbulent water. Further out in the wind mixxed with ocean swell of waist to chest high I had a blast. the 850 V2 turns at leasat as good as the V1 while feeling again smoother and more fluid. It keeps more speed, glides through sections where I am 100% sure that the V1 gets of foil and pumps waaaaaaay better from section to section, but also easily overtaken waves.

Overall:
I loved the V1 and still think they are really good foils that can compete with a lot of the current competition, but the V2 are imo just better without any downsides.
I ordered the 1050 V2 as well and if the 1050 is similar to the 850 I,m gonna sell my V1,s that till now are by far my fave foils.
Givven my weight and conditions I see no need for going smaller then the 850. I owned an Enduro 700 for a while (we couldnt get along) but what I was looking for in that foil, mainly more glide I found in the Silk V2 with better control and tunring.

Awesome write up! 🙏

Put my order in for a 650 and get it just in time for nuking wind next week.

I have the feeling that if i use a more pumpable foil wingfoiling it almost always feels faster overfoiled on waves on high speed. So you end up smaller foils for wingfoiling. This is what i found for example with the S series from Code. I don't think a lot of the developers wingfoil. They seem to be prone and downwinding at a lot of brands.
So if i read that the new Silk is more pumpable I have my reservations. I am going to test it before buying. I love my V1 but extra speed and glide would be nice.

When ordering mine I was a bit in doubt between do I stay with the same CM2 or with the same wingspan, because the V2,s have for the same span less cm2.
In most cases I will benefit from a bit more speed and glide as with the V1,s so that is why I stayed with the same CM2 anticipating that they might top out slightly earlier as the V1,s with less span.
Back home in the netherlands the V1 850 is rare for me to use (97kg) because the lesser glide , so for me personally I think its an great upgrade and I will use the V2 850 a lot more. The only but is that more span has slightly less control (wich was no suprise, but again confirmed).
Its not really good or bad, more a matter of what gains do you want at what cons.

Was sent the 1050 by accident but am being allowed to try as I wait for 1150. Should get on it today and have some feedback vs V1.
1050 V1 & V2 for your pleasure:

Jeroensurf said..

patronus said..
I had not used AFS previously and on first go with Silk V2 950 am surprised how forward in boxes the mast is on my Armstrong 75l ML and my front foot pressure still feels light. Is this normal?

It depends very much of what your are used to, how much frontfoot you like and the box positioning.
I,m coming from a wavesailing background so like a bit of frontfoot. With my SuperK 2 The mast is also quite forward.
I,m in Bretagne right now (holiday) and we drove today by at the AFS factory to pick up my Silk V2 1050. I don,t know how those lads arrange that, but we arrived with lots of rain and no wind, but when I said that we drove to Crozon and hope to give it a try the weather cleared up, sun started to shine and a 17nopts of wind with fun but not too big waves came through.

First impression: very much like story as with the 850 v2:
its same or maybe a tiny bit earlier to get on foil as the V1, serious faster, waaaay more glide while still turning great. I am in love with them straight away.

I'm thinking about what's next from my AFS Evo's and have tried an Enduro 1100 (with chopped tips) but from what you and others are saying in here about the Silk v2 it sounds like it's faster and turns better, and has way better glide than the v1 and even better glide than a similar sized enduro?

@ dieseagull. every time I see your username I have this song playing in my head 😂:


What to do after your Evo...
I think it very much depends where you use it.
In steeper waves the Silk V2 is amazing,yesterday I used the 1050 V2 in sideshorish with some nice rideable steeper swell and waves and there it shines.
Today same spot but dead onshore and flatter swell, then the Silk V2 has it more difficult to keep up in speed. I used in similar conditions the Enduro 1100 and 900 with an UG41 and they have a lot more glide and are easier to keep up with that flatter swell. I still think the Enduro is a very good foil for most conditions with more glide as an Silk V2 but is outperformed by the Silk V1 and V2 in turning and control on a wave.
diff between V1 and V2: V2 has more speed and more glide but as far as I noticed in 3 sessions still not the Enduro or Pure HA glide.
a foil that i,m not gonna buy but also looks very intersting to me for DW glide is the EvoHA. From what I hear very good glide and lower stall speed as the Pure HA due the big camber profile (but not as turny as an Enduro).

@Patronus: I use the V2 aprox 2cm more to the front as the V1, but it also depends on what stab I use.
Because the not so intersting conditions I tried different setups today with the 1050 V2.
Liked the most: U Surf 135, imo best pitch control and best turning
Uglide 41, same mast position as the U surf, Pitch: inbetween the Usurf and Ucarve most glide, less tight turning.
U carve 140: Not sure if it faster, but has for sure a bit more glide while still turning really tight and sharp. Tjis comes at the cost of pitchcontrol, and I need to put the mast with the Ucarve a bit (1-2cm )to the front.
I think the Ucarve has 80% of the U-surf and the U-glide, but again, a bit sensitive on the pitch. For those who know the Kparts Mako Carve V2...very much like that one but with more glide.

For those who wonder:
I,m not sponsored, no team or whateverdeal but also no kids, both me and my wife have a busy job, so thats why we can afford toys that we like.
I don,t care much about fancy clothes or wining and dining, but fancy foils....🥰😍

Agree that the differences aren,t huge, but if someone hasnt neither of them I would as an allrounder or more non steep swell riding still advice the Enduro over the Silks, altough they could be happy with either of them.
Had a sess with the 1050 V2 and the Usurf135 tail in 10 with gusts of 12-13knots. with my 95l SuperK and 5m it was a bit of timing and lots of pumping to get on foil, but once I was it was magic. Low end is really good , imo slightly better as the V1.

@Patronus, I made a pic of my mastposition on the 95l SuperKV2
The strips you see behind the mastbase are for the V1 and behind that the Pure1100HA. I like a feel that is a bit more frontfooted as backfooted

have some more time on the 750... it's going to be my daily driver until I can find something better. been winging and parawinging with it and I've tried it with the 120 and 135 U Surf stabs on the Standard and Advanced fuselages.

With the Standard fuse and 135 in the long position, the pitch stability and front foot pressure remind me of the v1 850 w/ the 142 tail.... I have not yet used the 135 in the short position.

I've used the 120 U Surf on the standard fuse in the short position and the Advanced fuse in the long position (essentially the same setting although the vertical position is lower on the Advanced) but this has been my favorite setup... definitely takes a bit more attention when blasting and swithing feet, but the easy pumping and last second control are really nice. Getting onto ship wakes w/ the parawing is a dream... the turns and control feel very natural.

I have a U Carve 130 tail as well which I have not tried yet. Using the UHM 85 Skinny mast

Getting 1-2kt faster speeds than the v1 850.