Local shop - due in a month or so.

MidAtlanticFoil said..
Had a super quick session on the 935 mast today on the north shore. Rain squall sent me in to avoid wind dropping, which it did. Got around 2 miles in riding some cross shore wild and woolly swell lines with the buoys running 8' at 11 sec.
Ran the 725, 52 fuse, and fv200 tail (no shim) with mast at around 4 (normally around 5.5. The mast comes with a card that mentions running it 1-2 cms back due to an adjusted rake on the mast.) Was kinda nervous due to a short takeoff before shallow reef section before making it outside. 4M nitro and overpowered so I got up easy. The mast felt . well like I didn't notice it, in a very good way. Felt like I was just flying the foil and was very much in control dropping in on some good size swell. Gybes were so smooth, even in some very turbulent water, like smooth radius, no abbreviated commas. Can't wait to get it back in the water.

Interesting. I just posted my first session review in the fb group. There's a bit of discussion going on in the comments with respect to the rake angle. I had to push my mast further forward by about 4mm (from 8.5 to 9 on 60L FG). I had my second session today-I moved my mast back to 7 to experiment and definitely felt my back leg working super hard. I totally overlooked the paperwork.

MidAtlanticFoil said..

paulweller2 said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
Had a super quick session on the 935 mast today on the north shore. Rain squall sent me in to avoid wind dropping, which it did. Got around 2 miles in riding some cross shore wild and woolly swell lines with the buoys running 8' at 11 sec.
Ran the 725, 52 fuse, and fv200 tail (no shim) with mast at around 4 (normally around 5.5. The mast comes with a card that mentions running it 1-2 cms back due to an adjusted rake on the mast.) Was kinda nervous due to a short takeoff before shallow reef section before making it outside. 4M nitro and overpowered so I got up easy. The mast felt . well like I didn't notice it, in a very good way. Felt like I was just flying the foil and was very much in control dropping in on some good size swell. Gybes were so smooth, even in some very turbulent water, like smooth radius, no abbreviated commas. Can't wait to get it back in the water.

Interesting. I just posted my first session review in the fb group. There's a bit of discussion going on in the comments with respect to the rake angle. I had to push my mast further forward by about 4mm (from 8.5 to 9 on 60L FG). I had my second session today-I moved my mast back to 7 to experiment and definitely felt my back leg working super hard. I totally overlooked the paperwork.

Yeah my experience was not the usual testing conditions for me, with mega energy, which had me thinking I could have had it a half vm further back. Under normal conditions, could be totally different. I'll check the fb discussion!

I suppose that is telling you that if you measure from the back of the mast foot with new mast the front foil is further back compared to where your feet go.

If I understood well the rake on this new mast is changed. To make it simple with the new mast we navigate more nose up or nose down?
If the recommendation is to move back the mast l suppose it's more nose up. Thing that I like personally. I stopped with Takuma and moved to Armstrong because of their rake I didn't like (nose down).

eppo said..
Raked back 1 degree. Nose up.

Perfect.

ANfoiler said..
is the rake to compensate for rocker in some boards?

That and maybe to help with landing airs and re-engaging the foil quicker. I was surprised in the difference with that aspect, riding a 60L FG board.
I did notice as I was coming in high on the mast avoiding shallow reef that when I breached I was able to regain foil traction twice in quick succession without diving the foil deep like I would on the 85 or 100. Only dove like 6-12", rather than like 12"-30".

Yep 1 degree. Check out Armstrong Facebook page someone has photos compared to A plus as well as a final picture with a board attached foil down. Nose lifted for sure.

www.facebook.com/groups/armstrongfoilriders/permalink/685962766166761/

Sadly as the price I have been quoted in the UK is much the same as a decent new SUP foil board or a complete foil from another brand for just the mast I can't justify the cost. Which is a shame as I have a decent quiver of A+ kit.

FarNorthSurfer said..
Sadly as the price I have been quoted in the UK is much the same as a decent new SUP foil board or a complete foil from another brand for just the mast I can't justify the cost. Which is a shame as I have a decent quiver of A+ kit.

How much is it in UK?

foilthegreats said..

Missed the bit where he apologises for all that designed-flex marketing twaddle and offers a free trade-in ;-)

patronus said..

FarNorthSurfer said..
Sadly as the price I have been quoted in the UK is much the same as a decent new SUP foil board or a complete foil from another brand for just the mast I can't justify the cost. Which is a shame as I have a decent quiver of A+ kit.

How much is it in UK?

I was quoted ?1695 from the shop I purchased all my other Armstrong foil gear and an FG board a while back. He didn't say it was a deal for me, I think that's UK retail.
Anyway it's too much for me (retired guy, for fun not racing or competing).
I understand it is similar pricing to the Axis Hi Mod mast but it's considerably more than the A+ series masts. It is also about the same price as buying a complete foil from AFS or SABFoil which both have decent reviews.
As an engineer I understand that technology evolves, however if the new mast profile is a large part of the design how about a cheaper version with improved hydrodynamics and lower quality carbon?

eppo said..

FarNorthSurfer said..

patronus said..

FarNorthSurfer said..
Sadly as the price I have been quoted in the UK is much the same as a decent new SUP foil board or a complete foil from another brand for just the mast I can't justify the cost. Which is a shame as I have a decent quiver of A+ kit.

How much is it in UK?

I was quoted ?1695 from the shop I purchased all my other Armstrong foil gear and an FG board a while back. He didn't say it was a deal for me, I think that's UK retail.
Anyway it's too much for me (retired guy, for fun not racing or competing).
I understand it is similar pricing to the Axis Hi Mod mast but it's considerably more than the A+ series masts. It is also about the same price as buying a complete foil from AFS or SABFoil which both have decent reviews.
As an engineer I understand that technology evolves, however if the new mast profile is a large part of the design how about a cheaper version with improved hydrodynamics and lower quality carbon?

Yeh good points. Then again what does a new kite and bar cost nowadays. So damn expensive hey!

For sure, it's a personal choice and I am in no way critical of anyone who buys one. Wish I could justify an order as I would love to try one. Unfortunately where I live pretty much the only way to try kit is to buy it so forums and magazine tests are heavily scrutinised to 'guide' my choices.
Also I really 'need' a new SUP foil board and don't have funds for both.
Maybe I should sell the thousands of pounds worth of windsurfing gear I have that has not been used since I found winging.
Anyway back to Armie masts sorry OP

FarNorthSurfer said..

patronus said..

FarNorthSurfer said..
Sadly as the price I have been quoted in the UK is much the same as a decent new SUP foil board or a complete foil from another brand for just the mast I can't justify the cost. Which is a shame as I have a decent quiver of A+ kit.

How much is it in UK?

I was quoted ?1695 from the shop I purchased all my other Armstrong foil gear and an FG board a while back. He didn't say it was a deal for me, I think that's UK retail.
Anyway it's too much for me (retired guy, for fun not racing or competing).
I understand it is similar pricing to the Axis Hi Mod mast but it's considerably more than the A+ series masts. It is also about the same price as buying a complete foil from AFS or SABFoil which both have decent reviews.
As an engineer I understand that technology evolves, however if the new mast profile is a large part of the design how about a cheaper version with improved hydrodynamics and lower quality carbon?

My 935 was 1550 USD. I'm just an intermediate winger--definitely not pushing anything to the extent of high-performance. The new mast is so much more than just being stiffer--everything is direct. It responds incredibly well to user input on all axes. I love it.

Armstrong is a small, specialized company, which should suggest that the unit product cost, inclusive of R&D, marketing, overhead, profit, insurance, and so on, has to be reasonably high. That being so, I think companies like Armstrong, over the course of just a few years, have realized that there is sufficient market demand to justify the cost of gear like high-mod masts and alternative-material wings. It's unfortunate but probably inevitable.

The same thing applies to cars, phones, or whatever else gets loads of people fizzing. Things like power-steering and sat nav were initially exclusive to high-end cars. The first smartphones were incredibly expensive relative to other phones. The latest and greatest get the best new features--as well as generally becoming more expensive--and the mass-market alternatives get some of the older features. The downstream effect may be applicable to the foiling industry provided that there is sustained mass-market demand, which could eventually result in lowered material, production, and manufacturing costs.

paulweller2 said..

FarNorthSurfer said..

patronus said..

FarNorthSurfer said..
Sadly as the price I have been quoted in the UK is much the same as a decent new SUP foil board or a complete foil from another brand for just the mast I can't justify the cost. Which is a shame as I have a decent quiver of A+ kit.

How much is it in UK?

I was quoted ?1695 from the shop I purchased all my other Armstrong foil gear and an FG board a while back. He didn't say it was a deal for me, I think that's UK retail.
Anyway it's too much for me (retired guy, for fun not racing or competing).
I understand it is similar pricing to the Axis Hi Mod mast but it's considerably more than the A+ series masts. It is also about the same price as buying a complete foil from AFS or SABFoil which both have decent reviews.
As an engineer I understand that technology evolves, however if the new mast profile is a large part of the design how about a cheaper version with improved hydrodynamics and lower quality carbon?

My 935 was 1550 USD.

The UK sterling price I was quoted works out as 2016 USD. Not saying I would have bought one for 1300 GBP which is the exchange price for 1550 USD but it wouldn't have sounded quite so outrageous.
The benefits of Brexit or just UK rip off pricing.
We almost never see Armstrong kit discounted here.
The middle size would be my fantasy choice

Think they believe the 935 will suite fine for winging - the 795 for a good prone / sup size / DW (85 too long, 72 too short).