Best light wind foil for Axis black fuselage.
I Have a 970 HPS WITH A 375 stab. Im 82kgs.
what is the best light wind foil that goes with black fuselage. or what is the best light wind foil that still feels nice and not super slow on the red fuselage.
thanks
I have the HPS 1050 and previously had the huge BSC 1120 (and I've used the PNG 1150).Both the BSC and PNG lift earlier than the HPS, but not by much. Slightly improved pumping will make up for the deficit.
Once up the difference between the foils is night and day. Both the BSC and PNG tips get 'grabbed' by chop. The HPS does not. In light winds the HPS is noticeably faster with better glide (for winging).
The HPS still lifts very easily and only needs a tiny bit more speed to lift. It will also foil at incredibly low speed, and is happy in 20knots, so it is more versatile than both the BSC and PNG by some margin.
I use it on the open sea in swell and on an inland reservoir (in the UK) it works well for both. I thought I might need to get the PNG 1150 to go with it for light days, but now I don't think so, I get going as early as friends winging alongside me who are using the PNG 1150.
I've been happy with the 1099 for light wind, but never tried the 1050 to compare. Has anyone been on both?
Select to expand quoter0d said..
I have the HPS 1050 and previously had the huge BSC 1120 (and I've used the PNG 1150).Both the BSC and PNG lift earlier than the HPS, but not by much. Slightly improved pumping will make up for the deficit.
Once up the difference between the foils is night and day. Both the BSC and PNG tips get 'grabbed' by chop. The HPS does not. In light winds the HPS is noticeably faster with better glide (for winging).
The HPS still lifts very easily and only needs a tiny bit more speed to lift. It will also foil at incredibly low speed, and is happy in 20knots, so it is more versatile than both the BSC and PNG by some margin.
I use it on the open sea in swell and on an inland reservoir (in the UK) it works well for both. I thought I might need to get the PNG 1150 to go with it for light days, but now I don't think so, I get going as early as friends winging alongside me who are using the PNG 1150.
Thanks for a very comprehensive answer.
Looks like it's a 1050. cheers.
I had 1050 and for my 76kg it gets to feel big quickly and much harder to jybe compared to the 980.
To me the 980 is better so just persist.
I am now using the 899 ART 90% of the time as my pumping skills are reasonably good, best wing I've had todate.
HPS 1050 is a great light wind foil. 78 kg and can get it up in 8-9k with 7m wing. But ART 999 is really great also in 10K-11k plus. Just need planing speed.
Select to expand quotejondrums said..
I've been happy with the 1099 for light wind, but never tried the 1050 to compare. Has anyone been on both?
I have both. I never ride the 1050 anymore. Just kept it for my kids and wife to learn on which its great for. It feels like a dog next to the 1099. If you have the skills(I know you do) then you can get the 1099 up in the same conditions. You just have to make the right face. For beginner/intermediates the 1050 is way easier. Once I got the 325p and the crazyshort, and the balls to ride the foil just below the surface, the 1099 turns great. Don't forget that speed locks in the roll of the 1099/999. I have been riding it a bit slower when I want to carve, and it becomes looser than a whore's panties. Once I raised the bar on glide with the ART's, it is hard to go back.
Not trying to highjack this great thread, but I am thinking about my next foil too. I currently ride the BCS 1120 and 1060. Mostly the 1060. I have been thinking of adding the BCS 970 and selling the 1060? Maybe the HPS 1050 would be a better idea to pair with the BCS 1120? I am still learning to jibe but can mow the lawn pretty darn well. Even in waves up to 5 feet or so on Lake Michigan.
Select to expand quoteexcav8ter said..
Not trying to highjack this great thread, but I am thinking about my next foil too. I currently ride the BCS 1120 and 1060. Mostly the 1060. I have been thinking of adding the BCS 970 and selling the 1060? Maybe the HPS 1050 would be a better idea to pair with the BCS 1120? I am still learning to jibe but can mow the lawn pretty darn well. Even in waves up to 5 feet or so on Lake Michigan.
HPS 1050 is a great foil. Friendly and predictable yet faster than the BSCs. Don't need a massive jump in ability to ride either. I would switch over to the HPS but you will need a black series fuse. I like the new 400 tail with it.
Select to expand quotekojack19 said..excav8ter said..
Not trying to highjack this great thread, but I am thinking about my next foil too. I currently ride the BCS 1120 and 1060. Mostly the 1060. I have been thinking of adding the BCS 970 and selling the 1060? Maybe the HPS 1050 would be a better idea to pair with the BCS 1120? I am still learning to jibe but can mow the lawn pretty darn well. Even in waves up to 5 feet or so on Lake Michigan.
HPS 1050 is a great foil. Friendly and predictable yet faster than the BSCs. Don't need a massive jump in ability to ride either. I would switch over to the HPS but you will need a black series fuse. I like the new 400 tail with it.
I have the 400 stab currently. Using it with both the BCS 1060 and 1120. Adding the black series fuse is understood. Is there another stab that I should have that may help make jibing a little bit easier?
Select to expand quoteCapt.Gumby said..
Had a 1050, purchased a 1099 and never went back....sold the 1050
Had a 1099, purchased a 1050 and never went back....sold the 1099
Have supplemented the 1050 with the HPS 930 and am super satisfied. Loved the glide of the 1099 (it is insane!), but did not like the turn. I think it's very subjective what you feel is good. The best option is to test, but of course this is often difficult...
Had the 1050, to big for me at 76kg, got the HPS 930 sold the 1050.
Next got the 1099 too big got 899 absolutely amazing sold the 1099.
Next got 799 to go with the 899.
So 899 for 10kn ish wind, 799 for consistent wind over 13kn and 930 as a good backup all with 350p stab.
I am happy as all work well with my 4 and 5.5m Duotone dlabs. 
Select to expand quotecaracol said..Capt.Gumby said..
Had a 1050, purchased a 1099 and never went back....sold the 1050
Had a 1099, purchased a 1050 and never went back....sold the 1099
Have supplemented the 1050 with the HPS 930 and am super satisfied. Loved the glide of the 1099 (it is insane!), but did not like the turn. I think it's very subjective what you feel is good. The best option is to test, but of course this is often difficult...
Ha, gold!
You wont believe it ............ but I also have supplemented the 1099 with the HPS 930 and am super satisfied.
The 1099 was great for Cairns conditions but since moving to Melbourne I find I am on the HPS 930 more often.
Hi!
I am also looking for a fun light wind wing for the black fuse.
Desired windrange: 10-15kn (78kg, intermediate)
I am a bit confused:
The guys at Axis recommended me the HPS 1050.
But some people write that its way too big and draggy (even though its a HPS) - so is it even fun anymore?
Axis also recommended me the ART899 for high winds.
But warwickl writes that this is his low wind wing, even though he only weighs 2kgs less.
I know its all subjective (and a matter of pumping skill), but can the overall feel and use case be really THAT different? (not just talking to warwickl, just comparing all the statements)
Right now I have PNG 910b (and 1150 for pumping).
HPS 930 seems nice, but its probably too close to my 910?
Mabye someone has advice on which low wind wing to try first, I am new to Axis.
Thanks!
Select to expand quotenikflewlow said..
Hi!
I am also looking for a fun light wind wing for the black fuse.
Desired windrange: 10-15kn (78kg, intermediate)
I am a bit confused:
The guys at Axis recommended me the HPS 1050.
But some people write that its way too big and draggy (even though its a HPS) - so is it even fun anymore?
Axis also recommended me the ART899 for high winds.
But warwickl writes that this is his low wind wing, even though he only weighs 2kgs less.
I know its all subjective (and a matter of pumping skill), but can the overall feel and use case be really THAT different? (not just talking to warwickl, just comparing all the statements)
Right now I have PNG 910b (and 1150 for pumping).
HPS 930 seems nice, but its probably too close to my 910?
Mabye someone has advice on which low wind wing to try first, I am new to Axis.
Thanks!
I really enjoy my HPS 1050 for light winds. It gets me on foil without giving me a hernia and it's fun and still pretty glidey. I love my ART 999 but it's a lot tougher to get on foil and I need steady upper teens to get it going. The 1050 replaced my 1060BSC and I couldn't be happier with the range and accessibility of this wing. Keep in mind I'm 95kgs so I need some extra push. Sometimes I just want a guaranteed fun session when the wind is not quite there and it still gives me a good smile!
My 2 cents...
DC
Select to expand quotenikflewlow said..
Hi!
I am also looking for a fun light wind wing for the black fuse.
Desired windrange: 10-15kn (78kg, intermediate)
I am a bit confused:
The guys at Axis recommended me the HPS 1050.
But some people write that its way too big and draggy (even though its a HPS) - so is it even fun anymore?
Axis also recommended me the ART899 for high winds.
But warwickl writes that this is his low wind wing, even though he only weighs 2kgs less.
I know its all subjective (and a matter of pumping skill), but can the overall feel and use case be really THAT different? (not just talking to warwickl, just comparing all the statements)
Right now I have PNG 910b (and 1150 for pumping).
HPS 930 seems nice, but its probably too close to my 910?
Mabye someone has advice on which low wind wing to try first, I am new to Axis.
Thanks!
Hi Nik.
I may be able to give you the 910 comparison you're after. Last year I was using the 910 and 1010 red set up, and this year I have switched to black and have used the 930, 980 and now 1050 hps.
I think the 930 hps needs more wind (and board speed) to fly than the 910 did.
I reckon the 910 still comes up a tad earlier than the 980, (but not much in it), but once up the 980 is faster through the water with better glide.
Finally, I'd say the 1050 comes up earlier than the 910 and is my light wind choice in the hps range (at 87kg's).
I think the 1050 sits somewhere between the 910 and 1010png's for coming up on foil, but once up it is more fun (faster and better glide)
Pairing the 1050 and 980 with the progressive stabilisers (375p) also makes them much more fun than what I had previously.
I think the 910 is an awesome all round wing for your weight though, and at 78kg's it would be fast and versatile. If you haven't tried it with a Progressive rear, you should give it a whirl before splashing out on a whole new black fuse and front wing. (t will make it more playful, but still fast and really good glide.
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..
Next got 799 to go with the 899.
So 899 for 10kn ish wind, 799 for consistent wind over 13kn and 930 as a good backup all with 350p stab.
Wow, 899 in 10 knots !! Would like to see that, you must have amazing pump technique. Some of the local guys can get up in really light wind with tiny foils, it's super impressive.
I wouldn't have a hope of getting up on my 899 in 10 knots and I'm only 65kg. No worries staying up down that low, it's my favourite foil for sure and keep wondering about the 799 for really high wind days.
Select to expand quoteBondalucci said..
Hi Nik.
I may be able to give you the 910 comparison you're after. Last year I was using the 910 and 1010 red set up, and this year I have switched to black and have used the 930, 980 and now 1050 hps.
I think the 930 hps needs more wind (and board speed) to fly than the 910 did.
I reckon the 910 still comes up a tad earlier than the 980, (but not much in it), but once up the 980 is faster through the water with better glide.
Finally, I'd say the 1050 comes up earlier than the 910 and is my light wind choice in the hps range (at 87kg's).
I think the 1050 sits somewhere between the 910 and 1010png's for coming up on foil, but once up it is more fun (faster and better glide)
Pairing the 1050 and 980 with the progressive stabilisers (375p) also makes them much more fun than what I had previously.
I think the 910 is an awesome all round wing for your weight though, and at 78kg's it would be fast and versatile. If you haven't tried it with a Progressive rear, you should give it a whirl before splashing out on a whole new black fuse and front wing. (t will make it more playful, but still fast and really good glide.
That is super useful info, thanks for the detailed explanation!
I guess I'll have to try the 1050 then. Like you said, mabye I can loosen it up with a ultrashort fuse and small progressive tail.
I'm also curious how low I can go with the 910 and a 7m wing - it just pumps so well and goes upwind nicely.
Thanks for the other replys as well!
Select to expand quotenikflewlow said..Bondalucci said..
Hi Nik.
I may be able to give you the 910 comparison you're after. Last year I was using the 910 and 1010 red set up, and this year I have switched to black and have used the 930, 980 and now 1050 hps.
I think the 930 hps needs more wind (and board speed) to fly than the 910 did.
I reckon the 910 still comes up a tad earlier than the 980, (but not much in it), but once up the 980 is faster through the water with better glide.
Finally, I'd say the 1050 comes up earlier than the 910 and is my light wind choice in the hps range (at 87kg's).
I think the 1050 sits somewhere between the 910 and 1010png's for coming up on foil, but once up it is more fun (faster and better glide)
Pairing the 1050 and 980 with the progressive stabilisers (375p) also makes them much more fun than what I had previously.
I think the 910 is an awesome all round wing for your weight though, and at 78kg's it would be fast and versatile. If you haven't tried it with a Progressive rear, you should give it a whirl before splashing out on a whole new black fuse and front wing. (t will make it more playful, but still fast and really good glide.
That is super useful info, thanks for the detailed explanation!
I guess I'll have to try the 1050 then. Like you said, mabye I can loosen it up with a ultrashort fuse and small progressive tail.
I'm also curious how low I can go with the 910 and a 7m wing - it just pumps so well and goes upwind nicely.
Thanks for the other replys as well!
No worries.
The other thing to remember, as you've probably already read on Seabreeze, is that when your trying to get the hps foils to fly, you need to concentrate more on getting the 'board speed' up first, rather than trying to make the foil climb when you're moving too slowly.
...and yes, the 910 is an awesome foil, which is probably why it's the only red fuse foil that axis tweaked so it could be duplicated on the black fuse. -very popular across a variety of disciplines!
Hi Nik.
I've been motoring round on Red fuse stuff (1060 BSC and 1300 PNG) since really getting into winging and getting going 9-10 knots. I weigh 70 kg and use a 5m Slick as my big wing. Have loved the red fuse gear as it's been really good to learn on. Recently purchased an ART 999. It requires 12 knots for me to get it running. And as described above you can't foot pump it up aggressively like the thicker red fuse foils as it will get up and immediately stall and fall back to water. You need to coax it up with speed and light foot pumps. My technique needs a lot of polish!
Big and draggy? That's the PNG and BSC. Great for getting going in light stuff but top end is bus like. For me the HPS 1050 is not big and draggy. But that's me..... If I was talented enough to only be flying the ARTs (and unlike others on these forums - I'm not), then yeah, maybe the HPS MIGHT be a bit draggy in comparison?
Yesterday went back to back with the ART 999 and HPS 1050 of a friend. I'd say (for me) the 1050 low wind threshold is just over 10 knots, (where the 1300 png is slightly under). However, the HPS once up and going is significantly faster and gliiiiides very nicely (compared to the PNG). I was also out on the ART 999 and it was a touch faster than the HPS 1050, but definitely required more wind (and prob technique) to get it to fly. The HPS is more user friendly than the art.
I'd also say the HPS and ART are gloooorious to gybe as they motor through the turns effortlessly and don't lose speed like the BSC and PNG foils described above.
It is all subjective. What I find hard, mates find easy. What I find smooth, others feel it's a lumpy ride. We have foilers here like warwickl who are very talented and can do stuff I can only dream about. As you improve, the differences between different bits of gear become apparent because you become more tuned in.
If I was doing it all again and making minimal purchases, I'd be tempted to go with the HPS 1050. Slightly more difficult to use than the red foils I've described above, but has more to offer once you're improving. But that's me......
Hi!
Thanks again for your detailed replies!
I now decided on the following additional combo: ART899, 350p, black ultrashort.
This may seem weird at first, but here are my thoughts:
- I have yet to see for myself how low I can push the 910p, and how 'fun' the 1150 really is for winging. Mabye it is already a sufficient combo (for me).
- I can loosen up the 910b and 1150 with the 350p rear (plus ultrashort fuse on 910b).
- I needed an additional high wind wing anyways (which is why the 899 was recommended to me in the first place).
- best case scenario: I can pump the 899 really well at some point, and go the route warwickl did.
Just hope I can handle the 899. While not a beginner anymore, it seems different from the rest according to your replies.
Will post an update after a few more sessions!
Cheers!
Hi!
Asking again as I thought about this png hps comparing. I saw the png 1010 got nearly the same dates like the hps 1050. What are the differences here? Png more lift but more drag and so slower? What about turning?
Cheers
RGMacca, I might go a bit off topic. Re fastest red foil.
I decided to go 1300 instead of hps 1050 for now and will try 1050 later.
The 1010 has top end shortcomings and the 1150 more so, same with the Bsc 1060. just not enough speed and glide for my wieght. 70kg in boardshorts...
The 1300 has a freer top end and the feel it is dynamic, thats fun in light wind and lets me work and pump into better places to find the patches of breeze. It does go really slow comfortably but it also goes faster than the other large png foils including the smaller 1010. The 1010 feels draggy at startup by comparison. 1010 will go fast if you over power but looses the fun factor, it has a topped out feel at moderate power input. 1010 gets used now with a big board behind the boat to teach. It has good gradual early lift and turns nicely at low speed. Perfect for starting out. Pairs nicely with ultrashort normal/ 400P. for this.
Winging...The 1300 pairs well with crazy short advanced fuse and 400P stabiliser. Tried it with ultrashort normal fuse but prefer advanced crazyshort. 1300 is versatile in patchy light wind up to 15kts. So nice to pump through glassy patches. Id liken it to cruising a really good performance mal, it does everything a log does but also surfs better when you push it. This is my light-wind choice but have used it with 3.5m in 25/30kts by mistake, I made huge ground to windward and survived the down wind rush back to the beach, lesson learned.
Long term reasoning for the 1300 is to learn downwind a stepping stone to 1099/899.
Be good to try the 1300/ hps 1050 back to back it has more top end. Maybe more manoeuvrable too.
Just like to add a little depth.
Winging..The hps 930/400P or 880, advanced crazyshort is my most used. With moderate start up speed they pump up easy.
The ART 899 is not hard to use but needs a little more startup speed with no pumping, an easy planing board helps get it up there. I do a little wiggle to windward at speed and it comes up easy. The 899 does not like the 400P at high speed , 400P makes too much down force. Its more comfortable and faster with a small stab, 325/300 or smaller. Advance crazy short fuse works with 899 and helps turning and the shorter fuse tones down the effect of the stabiliser at high speed. Ive tried short,ultrashort,crazy short normal fuses. Counter intuitively for winging I find the fast response of the shorter advanced fuse a good thing atm. maybe later when Im pushing for more speed the short normal fuse will find a place again.
1099/899 arn't getting used atm. waiting for a smaller stab. Id like to think ART 1099 will be a future lightwind option but even though it has low glide/ stall speed it needs a good breeze and board speed to startup whereas the 1300 can be coaxed up much more easily. Early days...Im using 5m /3.5m smik atm. So maybe later with a better skills and a larger lightwind wing the 1099 will come on.
Going upwind with all these foils is no problem, working the shifts and reapplying minimum sail trim verging on luffing works best just like jib trimming. For now its not about speed though Im focusing on gliding downwind and learning smooth tacks and jibes.
Hey all,
Saw this thread so decided to delete my fresh question and put it here instead.
People seem to be loving the HPS 1050 for lighter conditions, but I was wondering if it would also be the go-to for lighter conditions in the waves? Or would you go for the BSC 1120? I already have a black fuselage for my BSC890, so the 1120 would mean having to get a red fuse, but I really won't mind 
My stats are: 90kg, moving to an 85L board, 3.8/5.8 Surges, up on foil and riding fairly easily now, starting to work on gybing, and eventual aim is to be riding out past breakers and catching waves back in. I've been using my BSC890 from my prone setup, but would like some more low-end and to make my life more easy. I also have an ART1099 from my prone setup, but not sure if that's going to make my life easier for my winging aims.
The bear in the room that is rarely addressed properly is the rear stabiliser. So often this is over looked and matching this combination of front and rear together is so important. I've gone down the rabbit hole of trying different stabs and have been very surprised at the different characteristics that each stab can provide. I have recently changed from a 400hp stab to a 333 and was surprised that although the 333 is so much smaller, it has provided better stability, whilst giving improved speed and glide, with better turning.
What ever your conditions may be, do not over look these small but essential aspects of your foiling.
Select to expand quoteshi thouse said..
The bear in the room that is rarely addressed properly is the rear stabiliser. So often this is over looked and matching this combination of front and rear together is so important. I've gone down the rabbit hole of trying different stabs and have been very surprised at the different characteristics that each stab can provide. I have recently changed from a 400hp stab to a 333 and was surprised that although the 333 is so much smaller, it has provided better stability, whilst giving improved speed and glide, with better turning.
What ever your conditions may be, do not over look these small but essential aspects of your foiling.
I've been learning winging on my 400, but I have a 300 that I use for prone. I might give it a shot next time and see how I like it.
Select to expand quoteshi thouse said..
The bear in the room that is rarely addressed properly is the rear stabiliser. So often this is over looked and matching this combination of front and rear together is so important. I've gone down the rabbit hole of trying different stabs and have been very surprised at the different characteristics that each stab can provide. I have recently changed from a 400hp stab to a 333 and was surprised that although the 333 is so much smaller, it has provided better stability, whilst giving improved speed and glide, with better turning.
What ever your conditions may be, do not over look these small but essential aspects of your foiling.
hmmm the "333"? Can you elaborate on this stabiliser?
Select to expand quotenatho6026961 said..
hmmm the "333"? Can you elaborate on this stabiliser?
Probably a Crisp 333. Made in Perth by Chris Porter.
Seen quite a few Perth locals on them. Mostly Axis riders.
