Misleading description of 2nd hand wing

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Sputnik11
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12 Feb 2022 12:06pm
Quick straw poll, if a seller fails to mention a wing has been repaired when advertising it for sale, do you think this is dishonest or OK?




Goofcat
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12 Feb 2022 9:13am
Dishonest, unless he is selling at a steeply discounted price that reflects the loss in value due to the damage
King Crash
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12 Feb 2022 1:27pm
Nah - small repair, average job, but it wouldn't affect performance. If you're that precious over it - ask for $30 back to get it repaired.
martyman
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12 Feb 2022 10:39am
If it's on the canopy then whatever, it affects nothing. If it's on the LE that is a problem and I'd at the very least insist on the seller pay f the repair if the LE-this is depending on the price as mentioned above.
Gorgo
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12 Feb 2022 1:59pm
The seller should have mentioned the repairs/damage, described the condition realistically and priced accordingly.

Not mentioning the damage is not a big deal if the general condition description and price were consistent.

Minor damage to the canopy is no big deal. Tape it up and go do some more damage. The rider who charges hardest on the mongrelest wing wins.

Damage to the dacron is more of a problem. It's structural, harder to damage in the first place and not really suitable for DIY quick fixes.
Seajuice
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12 Feb 2022 3:28pm
Dishonest!
The seller should show the defects or damage. Even when saying minor defects, damage. The buyer should know what they are getting. Especially if the buyer wants it sent.
Obviously a buyer would turn away from & seller or ask for a discount if they were able to inspect the product first.
Nothing worse on receiving a product that you expected to be undamaged and having the headache & costs of repair before even being able to use it.
Sputnik11
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12 Feb 2022 5:29pm
martyman said..
If it's on the canopy then whatever, it affects nothing. If it's on the LE that is a problem and I'd at the very least insist on the seller pay f the repair if the LE-this is depending on the price as mentioned above.


The tear in on the LE. This gives me concerns about the bladder. Have emailed the seller, and although they were extremely fast reply when I wanted to buy it, I haven't heard anything about the damage.
King Crash
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12 Feb 2022 6:15pm
Pull it out - have a look. If it's got a nick, some tear aid. Otherwise some black stickback over the cut. I wouldn't be too worried, it happens!
Sputnik11
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12 Feb 2022 8:56pm
King Crash said..
Pull it out - have a look. If it's got a nick, some tear aid. Otherwise some black stickback over the cut. I wouldn't be too worried, it happens!


All of this is fine, and I appreciate the advice.

My point is, as the buyer, I should have been told about it and given the option of not buying it. This is all a hassle, I don't buy damaged gear, and wouldn't have bought this.
King Crash
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12 Feb 2022 9:33pm
Sputnik11 said..

King Crash said..
Pull it out - have a look. If it's got a nick, some tear aid. Otherwise some black stickback over the cut. I wouldn't be too worried, it happens!



All of this is fine, and I appreciate the advice.

My point is, as the buyer, I should have been told about it and given the option of not buying it. This is all a hassle, I don't buy damaged gear, and wouldn't have bought this.


Two ways you could look at this:

Sorry to hear this happened, clearly rattled and not happy. I guess you'll need to cop it.
Buying used gear does leave you unfortunately open to the notion of buyer beware. If you're not open to buying damaged goods, why are you buying used and not new?
anyway, I'll just circle back to, unfortunate and sorry to hear it, but it is repairable, and very easily
emmafoils
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12 Feb 2022 9:45pm
Should have been disclosed
eppo
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12 Feb 2022 9:55pm
Agreed. Disclosed.
foilthegreats
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12 Feb 2022 10:18pm
Like selling any used item the condition needs to be fully disclosed, doesn't matter how small or if only cosmetic. Price should then reflect this.
DWF
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13 Feb 2022 4:45am
that cut in the dacron is a catastrophic failure about to happen. Unacceptable.
tomooh
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13 Feb 2022 4:53am
Guess you really need to ask the question before you buy. Any damage or repairs. I only want it if it's like new.
martyman
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13 Feb 2022 6:07am
How much did you pay?
bolgo
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13 Feb 2022 10:45am
I always get the buyer to check the kite/wing with me, inflated
show the repairs and be up front

had one guy years ago who didn't check, crashed the kite a few times and then accused me of deceit :-(

hmmmm
warwickl
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13 Feb 2022 4:28pm
If possible, I suggest an inspection or if posted I discuss it on phone and often check if it is the correct item for their requirements.

I've sold lots here on SB and made a couple of purchases never had an issue.

In other words if you see me selling something buy off me.?
Sputnik11
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13 Feb 2022 8:26pm
King Crash said..

Sputnik11 said..


King Crash said..
Pull it out - have a look. If it's got a nick, some tear aid. Otherwise some black stickback over the cut. I wouldn't be too worried, it happens!




All of this is fine, and I appreciate the advice.

My point is, as the buyer, I should have been told about it and given the option of not buying it. This is all a hassle, I don't buy damaged gear, and wouldn't have bought this.



Two ways you could look at this:

Sorry to hear this happened, clearly rattled and not happy. I guess you'll need to cop it.
Buying used gear does leave you unfortunately open to the notion of buyer beware. If you're not open to buying damaged goods, why are you buying used and not new?
anyway, I'll just circle back to, unfortunate and sorry to hear it, but it is repairable, and very easily


I occasionally buy used, but, silly me, I trust sellers to tell the truth. Most people indicate the wing has been repaired. I've seen this mentioned over and over again.

If a seller fails to mention this, they're clearly hiding it.

This was a big store, so doubly disappointed. Clearly not too concerned with their brand.
Sputnik11
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13 Feb 2022 8:27pm
martyman said..
How much did you pay?


$600
eppo
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13 Feb 2022 8:48pm
Have you spoken to them - I hope so.
Sputnik11
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14 Feb 2022 11:27am
Funnily enough, not replying to my email.
rgmacca
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15 Feb 2022 7:23am
If it was a big store don't you have consumer rights, long distance selling, or did you buy local and not check it.
I would be extremely disappointed to receive a wing in that condition, unless it was described with additional pics.
CJ2478
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15 Feb 2022 11:00am
I ALWAYS ask them to confirm there is no damage or repairs. I learnt my lesson buying a kite second hand that had a slow leak, then when I asked him about it, no response ever so i proceeded to sign him up to various house/car insurance quotes.

Seller should always disclose if there is any damage or repairs and people who don't should be put on some sort of public shame black list
Sputnik11
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15 Feb 2022 9:01pm
rgmacca said..
If it was a big store don't you have consumer rights, long distance selling, or did you buy local and not check it.
I would be extremely disappointed to receive a wing in that condition, unless it was described with additional pics.


No - it was interstate. The dealer has been in touch and seems to be genuinely trying to resolve it now.

I will always ask in future, but was just so used to sellers showing pics if there'd been a repair that I assumed everyone would do this. Caveat emptor.
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