yeah I saw that... perhaps I will be holding onto my W1110!

Can anyone confirm that the Sabfoil Razor (e.g 980) would compare to HA wings out there like Cabrinha H series 1000 and 800, North HA1050 and HA950? ART 899/999?

The wing outline look quite similar. Anhedral curvature, flattening tips, super slim. 10+ AR. The Razor looks different than Leviathan.. that one has a thicker profile it seems .

Would be nice to read / see some tests of the HA wings.

Hey there Frothers,

The new SABFoil range is amazing and I too was a little surprised they dropped the W1110, it's a great wing and was a better option for me and my downwinding than the previously used W1000.

The W1110, W1000, W800 and W740 were all part of the same family and were originally Windfoil race wings which then were adopted by surfers including Kai Lenny who rode the W800.

As speed/race wings they had clearly defined stall speeds and great top speed and glide so long as they were riding fairly quick.. The Anhedral shaping and this profiles lent themselves to really great upwind performance also. They worked well for lightweight surfers for wave and pump, but people's needs have changed as the sport has developed and there is more emphasis now on low speed glide, pump and speed for downwinding and flat water pump.

I've been riding the W1150-L Leviathan all summer since it's release and have had a mad love affair with this wing. Although touted as a pump wing (which it's insane at), I have employed it for downwind and pumping whilst downwinding. Coming from the W1110 (and previously the W1100 and W1000), it was a learning experience, the Levi has an extremely low stall speed, hard to get your head around a wing that I practically refuses to stall at walking speed. It has amazing lift which doesn't increase with speed and translates into more energy extracted from every turn, drop and bump you can find. It's super fast, more than fast enough for any speeds you are likely to encounter whilst downwinding in any conditions. It's glide is simply insane and slippery profile makes it an almost flawless downwind wing.

The newest wings to the fold are the Razor lineup. The Razor runs on the same fuse, T6 bolts as the W1110/W1000 etc and is a fusion of design between the Blade and Leviathan ranges. It's low surface area, but thicker profile added to a very high aspect shape gives it an amazing fusion of speed, mad glide, soft stall, aggressive maneuverability and easy take off.
The Razors have introduced the new standard for wing foiling performance, less technical and faster than the Leviathan, they add the one thing the Levi's didn't really offer, and that's radical and aggressive turning and carving. The Razors have all the qualities that the Blade range have that are appropriate for wingfoiling. The Blade range still are more suitable for windfoiling and racing as their anhedral shape and thin profile will be ultimately faster but at the cost of user friendliness.

All four wings are still absolutely amazing in their own right but if you select the right wing for your chosen discipline, you'll likely enjoy the same love affair I've had with the 1150-L and now all over again with the W980. The Leviathan W1150-L is now my go-to wing for light to moderate wind downwinding (12-25 knots) and the W980 Razor is my go-to for moderate to strong downwind sessions (18-30 knots).

The Razors are available in W980, W880, W820 and W780. I hope this clears things up a bit. After riding them, it's very clear where they all fit. We have all these wings (and many others) available for demo from our store.

@Poimax05, For light wind wing foiling, I strongly recommend trying the W980 if you have the T6 kite Fuse or the Leviathan if you have the Surf Fuse. As an aside, the Surf fuse now comes in a 663 length of better turning and more sensitive pitch.

DM

PS. It's really hard to show the curves on these wings so please excuse the lower pics. I did my best. All stats and profile info on the SABFoil website.


w1110 and W1150-L are quite flat whereas the W1000 and W980 have anhedral curve.
All but Levi have very high AR. Shows difference in surface areas. Levi is king!

Tried to show the thickness of profiles and leading edge shape. W1110 and W1000 are sharpish leading edges with fine entry angles, this gives less drag but more pronounced stall features.



This pic shows the thickness of the profiles and where the thickest section is. More forward than the W1110 and W1000. Makes stall softer and slower. All four wings are very quick and none rise with speed unlike many other brands.

The Standard masts in the kraken range have a core, but are pretty stiff and work really well for almost all applications in M63K, M73K. M83K . M93K, M103K.
They have a stiffer mast for pumping in M73PK and M83PK to accommodate dock start or pumping for the really large leviathan range, and the difference is noticeable. Again these masts have a core.
They have just released a new series of super high modulus masts (red devil range) with no core, which are firmly aimed at the race market with two designed for windsurf foil M95VK and M115VK and two designed for wing foil race M94K and M104K, but they are not for jumping as they are stiff and potentially brittle.

Thanks for your extensive information. Have you also tried the smaller Razors and Onda front wings? Looking for something smaller than my w945. But with good glide and top speed.

Imo Steve Follis has tried to objectify the dimension stiffness, and for the mast & mast/board connection. In a Sabfoil-users group he explained a bit more and has put his measurements into perspective.

I do use Sabfoil, but are not affiliated in any way.
in real life you'll have more variables that come to play for stiffness experienced; like rider weight (imho very important), intended use (important), wingspan, rigidity of other connections and the board itself. If a set-up is stiff enough will also depend on personal preferences, riding conditions, rider skills and trade-off acceptance.

For the Kraken-system other aspects like ease of use, strength and durability (for Sabusers) and attractiveness of the whole package make you decide which package seems most suited for you.


At 86kg in the morning, 6 foot tall, middle-aged, intermediate enthousiast I'm contend with using sabfoil / Kraken. I don't use the QR meaning the (aluminium) baseplate is connected to the masts with 2 bolts. I have a m63 and M83 kraken mast and f703k fuselage. I currently use the w945 (wing and prone) and massive w1250 (SUP and light wind wing).
With the w1250 on m63 and 7'0" SUP board I would say that a small amount of flex is noticeable especially while pumping. but not certain how much is to attribute to the board, the mast, connections or the front wing itself. I tried the same but with the old kitemast M61. That felt like a pool noodle.

Most decent dealers of SABFoil have demo sets, rather than ask the peanut gallery, why not try it yourself. I love the Kraken setup and ride it mostly with 1150-L, W945, W835, W980 and occasionally the W1350-L and I can honestly say I've not noticed any undesirable flexing.

we have full demo sets available for demo every day and in any configuration. Take the challenge and see if your foil stacks up against the SABFoil Kraken.
DM