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New axis art pro is out, any experiance?

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Created by foilfox 5 months ago, 25 Sep 2023
foilfox
6 posts
25 Sep 2023 2:06AM
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The New axis art pro line is out for 2 weeks ish. I am desperately waiting for wind to try them. I only manage to try the 1121 in very low winds for 45 min. I was impressed about its low end and how manoverable it is. It pumps easy with some wind swell support. I can't say much about its top speed, but it feels fast.
Anybody having some experience?

foilfox
6 posts
25 Sep 2023 2:46AM
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Dominic hoskyns did a very comprehensive review. I am trying to share the link...didn't manage...

jondrums
152 posts
25 Sep 2023 11:48AM
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I rode the 999 and 1099 extensively and replaced them with 1051 and 1201. Its a pretty huge upgrade in ride feel. Quite a bit smoother, faster, even more efficient, and both foils turn better than the ones they replaced. Interestingly though, the 1201 has better low end than the 1099 while the 1051 has significantly worse low end than the 999. The 1201 is a pumping machine and I can't imagine it gets much better than this for pumping - its just so efficient. The 1051 is challenging to pump - it is very efficient, but you can't slow down at all or you'll stall. And you can't push down on it too much - you have to have very good technique. That said, the 1051 is VERY fun to ride in waves, it turns great.

wingbob
5 posts
25 Sep 2023 5:20PM
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Would love to hear how far the ART pro's are from the high end race foils eg. Mikes Lab as the original ARTs were not really speed machines. Getting close or still some way off?

King Crash
NSW, 292 posts
25 Sep 2023 7:37PM
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wingbob said..
Would love to hear how far the ART pro's are from the high end race foils eg. Mikes Lab as the original ARTs were not really speed machines. Getting close or still some way off?


Long way to go

gneve
93 posts
25 Sep 2023 9:31PM
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wingbob said..
Would love to hear how far the ART pro's are from the high end race foils eg. Mikes Lab as the original ARTs were not really speed machines. Getting close or still some way off?


Funny how the ARTs were considered "fast" when they came out and now they've been cannibalized by the ARTPro range. I have been riding the 999 and 799 for quite a while and while I wouldn't call them slow, I find that there's an upper limit to these foils where they still seem somewhat in control. In researching more speed/race oriented foils, it seems that the common things I hear is that the race foils accelerate quicker, are more predictable when running at speed and don't necessarily run into a speed "wall" toward the top end. I assume that with these advantages come disadvantages such as more effort to get on foil, less glide, higher stall speed and perhaps less maneuverability.

For me, not being able to try other foils has kept me on my current setup. While $ is always an issue, I'm not sure the increased top end is worth all of the drawbacks of a more race oriented foil. At least that's what I'm telling myself. haha

I look forward to the day I get to try a ML, AFS or Chubanga.

Thatspec
319 posts
26 Sep 2023 2:03AM
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The usual suspects you see riding ML foils in Youtube videos are typically riding no bigger that 800cm2 front foils and often MUCH smaller. That's why they seem to be going slightly faster than the average foiler. Wanna go fast? A 500cm2 foil requires speed, be it a ML or an ART 699. There is no magic going on there, just reasonably efficient tiny foils.

The new ART Pros with appropriate tail will easily out glide anything coming out of the ML shop but even the 951 is a pretty big foil in the racing world. MLs are much lower aspect foils.

mojoflex
SA, 21 posts
22 Nov 2023 10:14AM
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Been borrowing a 1201 after using 1150, 1099 and 899 for a year or 2. I'm winging, supping, learning dw and prone and 75kg. Found the 1201 about halfway between the 1150 and 1099 lift wise. The 1150 turns better downwind, but the 1201 glides better and doesn't top out so quickly. 1150 a better learning wing IMO. Supping, the 1201 needs a constant arc to turn. It's really unforgiving to changes in radius through the turn. It pumps beautifully. I think I'm too light to really appreciate it in these disciplines. It's fantastic as a light wind flat water wing foil. I can get it up in about 12 knots on a 2.5 Mantis. And it's amazing to windward. Tip breach makes a big difference compared to the 1099, which was my go to light wing winging foil. My question is has anyone been prone foiling the 951? I'm looking to upgrade(?) the 899 which I love. I have a Spitfire 900 coming which is way bigger, and I've tried an 840 which was mental on a wave but not that easy to pump. I only tried it twice prone, so maybe there's some technique issues going on there. Anyway anyone tried 951 vs 840/ 780?

jondrums
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22 Nov 2023 7:55AM
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mojoflex said..
My question is has anyone been prone foiling the 951? I'm looking to upgrade(?) the 899 which I love. I have a Spitfire 900 coming which is way bigger, and I've tried an 840 which was mental on a wave but not that easy to pump.


Believe it or not, I think the 1051 is the most similar to the 899 in terms of early lift and turning - but it is noticeably more efficient and faster. I used to ride the 899/999/1099 so I am pretty certain of this comparison although the 1051 is now my smallest ART Pro. I also have the spitfire 900, and it turns more or less like the 1051 but is much less efficient and has much more low end. Nice foil but you probably want something smaller than the 900 if you are used to the 899.

mojoflex
SA, 21 posts
28 Nov 2023 7:45AM
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jondrums said..

mojoflex said..
My question is has anyone been prone foiling the 951? I'm looking to upgrade(?) the 899 which I love. I have a Spitfire 900 coming which is way bigger, and I've tried an 840 which was mental on a wave but not that easy to pump.



Believe it or not, I think the 1051 is the most similar to the 899 in terms of early lift and turning - but it is noticeably more efficient and faster. I used to ride the 899/999/1099 so I am pretty certain of this comparison although the 1051 is now my smallest ART Pro. I also have the spitfire 900, and it turns more or less like the 1051 but is much less efficient and has much more low end. Nice foil but you probably want something smaller than the 900 if you are used to the 899.


Ok good tips thought the artpros must feel a lot smaller for the width. What are you using the 1051 for?

nikflewlow
10 posts
7 Jan 2024 8:25PM
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@mojoflex
How did you decide in the end?
I also have the ART899 and was wondering whether its worth upgrading.

I also found the characteristics of the AFS Silk or the Fone Sk8 very interesting, but I guess there is nothing similar from Axis (.yet?)

Alysum
NSW, 1024 posts
9 Jan 2024 12:07AM
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nikflewlow said..
@mojoflex
How did you decide in the end?
I also have the ART899 and was wondering whether its worth upgrading.

I also found the characteristics of the AFS Silk or the Fone Sk8 very interesting, but I guess there is nothing similar from Axis (.yet?)


Definitely consider the sk8 if you're mostly carving and want to have fun

nikflewlow
10 posts
9 Jan 2024 3:45AM
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Definitely considering it - just want to make sure that there's no way of achieving a similar feeling with a new front wing for my Axis setup.
Dont like the idea of carrying different brands (screws, masts, fuselage, backwings ...). storage space is limited.

Driks
105 posts
9 Jan 2024 2:09PM
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I am in an similar position. I got the ART 999 and wanted an more turny surffoil. I owned the HPS 930 and sold it because it's more an winging foil with less glide. It drops fast when in weaker wind. So next what comes in mind it's the spitfire range. But I tested the unifoil progression 170 and I guess it's more like the fone sk8. Both are around AR 8 and its looks like an malange of ART and HPS. It was so loose and skaty but same time got good glide. Small spitfires got less AR. So I guess it's not the same. But I have not tried sk8 or spitfire. And finally to buy an complete Unifoil setup would be hard. So I agree with you. I think I would bite the bullet an buy 960 or 900 spitefire to see how it performs. At least it's possible to just buy an sk8 or progression plane and fly it with adapter on an Axis Mast. But I tried the progression on Alu and I think I can't switch back from carbon mast. It got so much more drag and the well know ventilation problem with higher speed.



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