Ozone After Burner - a race parawing?

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airsail
airsail
QLD
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QLD, 1614 posts
29 Aug 2026 5:06am
Just look at the price of a UHM carbon mast, back in 2018 that would have bought you 3 complete foils. People will pay.
Retina
Retina
121 posts
121 posts
29 Aug 2026 3:18am
airsail said..
Just look at the price of a UHM carbon mast, back in 2018 that would have bought you 3 complete foils. People will pay.


In my opinion.. Mast is not the same thing. If you want stiffness/thin you don't have any other alternative. However, numerous parawing options are available.
I can say that i would have considered acquired an Afterburner if it had been offered at a ok price.
zarb
zarb
NSW
712 posts
NSW, 712 posts
29 Aug 2026 5:48am
Retina said..


airsail said..
Just look at the price of a UHM carbon mast, back in 2018 that would have bought you 3 complete foils. People will pay.




In my opinion.. Mast is not the same thing. If you want stiffness/thin you don't have any other alternative. However, numerous parawing options are available.
I can say that i would have considered acquired an Afterburner if it had been offered at a ok price.



But I can make exactly the same argument in reverse... "If you want a great upwind parawing but with the simplicity of a single skin, you don't have any other alternative. However, there are numerous mast options available".

I personally don't find a substantial difference between my old Code mast or my old Armstrong mast when I compare them to some of the newer FAR more expensive thinner &/or stiffer masts. Certainly not enough of a difference to pay $1500 more.

But I do find a big difference between the parawings I've tried (including the AB) - and certainly enough of a difference to pay $200-600 more.
Retina
Retina
121 posts
121 posts
29 Aug 2026 4:14am
zarb said..

Retina said..



airsail said..
Just look at the price of a UHM carbon mast, back in 2018 that would have bought you 3 complete foils. People will pay.





In my opinion.. Mast is not the same thing. If you want stiffness/thin you don't have any other alternative. However, numerous parawing options are available.
I can say that i would have considered acquired an Afterburner if it had been offered at a ok price.




But I can make exactly the same argument in reverse... "If you want a great upwind parawing but with the simplicity of a single skin, you don't have any other alternative. However, there are numerous mast options available".

I personally don't find a substantial difference between my old Code mast or my old Armstrong mast when I compare them to some of the newer FAR more expensive thinner &/or stiffer masts. Certainly not enough of a difference to pay $1500 more.

But I do find a big difference between the parawings I've tried (including the AB) - and certainly enough of a difference to pay $200-600 more.



zarb said..

Retina said..



airsail said..
Just look at the price of a UHM carbon mast, back in 2018 that would have bought you 3 complete foils. People will pay.





In my opinion.. Mast is not the same thing. If you want stiffness/thin you don't have any other alternative. However, numerous parawing options are available.
I can say that i would have considered acquired an Afterburner if it had been offered at a ok price.




But I can make exactly the same argument in reverse... "If you want a great upwind parawing but with the simplicity of a single skin, you don't have any other alternative. However, there are numerous mast options available".

I personally don't find a substantial difference between my old Code mast or my old Armstrong mast when I compare them to some of the newer FAR more expensive thinner &/or stiffer masts. Certainly not enough of a difference to pay $1500 more.

But I do find a big difference between the parawings I've tried (including the AB) - and certainly enough of a difference to pay $200-600 more.


It's harder to switch brand when you have invested

zarb said..

Retina said..



airsail said..
Just look at the price of a UHM carbon mast, back in 2018 that would have bought you 3 complete foils. People will pay.





In my opinion.. Mast is not the same thing. If you want stiffness/thin you don't have any other alternative. However, numerous parawing options are available.
I can say that i would have considered acquired an Afterburner if it had been offered at a ok price.




But I can make exactly the same argument in reverse... "If you want a great upwind parawing but with the simplicity of a single skin, you don't have any other alternative. However, there are numerous mast options available".

I personally don't find a substantial difference between my old Code mast or my old Armstrong mast when I compare them to some of the newer FAR more expensive thinner &/or stiffer masts. Certainly not enough of a difference to pay $1500 more.

But I do find a big difference between the parawings I've tried (including the AB) - and certainly enough of a difference to pay $200-600 more.

If you have invested in a foil brand you don't have alot of alternatives. Sometimes that's the only mast you can get. For parawing there are lots of alternative and you can mix brands.

I would never pay that much for pw when there are alternatives that work as good/even better.
SUPSurferQLD
SUPSurferQLD
QLD
341 posts
QLD, 341 posts
29 Aug 2026 11:21am
zarb said..

Retina said..



airsail said..
Just look at the price of a UHM carbon mast, back in 2018 that would have bought you 3 complete foils. People will pay.





In my opinion.. Mast is not the same thing. If you want stiffness/thin you don't have any other alternative. However, numerous parawing options are available.
I can say that i would have considered acquired an Afterburner if it had been offered at a ok price.




But I can make exactly the same argument in reverse... "If you want a great upwind parawing but with the simplicity of a single skin, you don't have any other alternative. However, there are numerous mast options available".

I personally don't find a substantial difference between my old Code mast or my old Armstrong mast when I compare them to some of the newer FAR more expensive thinner &/or stiffer masts. Certainly not enough of a difference to pay $1500 more.

But I do find a big difference between the parawings I've tried (including the AB) - and certainly enough of a difference to pay $200-600 more.


Interesting point, and really demonstrates where perceived and actual value lie
Thatspec
Thatspec
461 posts
461 posts
29 Aug 2026 9:41am
Did a short upwind today along with a competent sailor on an AB, me on my 3M PR V2. I couldn't tell if his was 3 or 3.6M.
Regardless, no differences to speak of regarding upwind angles. Was actually doing a little better on port on the PR.
Beautifully shaped canopy and very clean top surface as per the pics but performance dif I did not see. Obviously there are a myriad of other variables.

Still would like to try one but I'm not a buyer...
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