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hills
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11 Mar 2009 8:34am
To see the pictures that this thread is talking about, click here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=48684


First question - can we get your build thread made into a sticky??

Second question - can we get more details of the event at Yappoon between yourself and Landyacht??
cisco
cisco
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11 Mar 2009 2:15pm
To view photos of this yacht click this link www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=48684


Hi Hillsy. If you want to make it a sticky, by all means go ahead. Do I need to finish the thread first though?

Re second question. It's YEP poon not YAP poon ya' ninnie.

Do you know what a poon is? That is a person who goes around smelling ladies' bicycle seats. Do you know what a harpoon is? That is somebody who points at a poon and says ha ha ha poooon!!!

The relationship between Landyacht and myself? Well landyacht apparently had some reservations about my sexual persuasions when informed that we would co-habiting a canvas castle at the beachside camping ground. When later informed that we would be sharing a beachfront house with Mrs Cisco, Cisco junior and six other people from various parts of the country, he became somewhat relieved of his anxieties.

The working relationship was that I would hone the weapon in the evenings prior to eating barbques, drinking beer, Stones Green Ginger one memorable night and spinning yarns. and a bit the next morning.

The next day landyacht would take the weapon out and bring home the bacon.

I didn't even watch the races. I stayed at the house end of the beach having fun with Cisco Jr, Diablo and the other blokart. Nic became very disappointed at Mackay a few years ago when we competed there and lost some of his enthusiasm for landsailing. My aim was to get him involved again by just having fun with the land yachts. It worked.
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
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11 Mar 2009 6:43pm

P.S. I actually made two front forks to suit 1 1/2" and 3 1/4" ground clearances. I do not intend riding on surfaces that require a 5" clearance. I'd rather be a "Bangalee Bum Scraper" than a "Brigalow Bush Basher" apologies to Lachlan.


Thats okay Cisco. I have to admit my current project has 80mm ground clearance Must get back to it actually.

Was there a reason why you mounted your rear axles the way you did (compared to the plans)? What thickness material have you used for your steering shaft? Great looking build mate, hope to give you a good race sometime in the future
cisco
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11 Mar 2009 8:14pm
lachlan3556 said...
Was there a reason why you mounted your rear axles the way you did (compared to the plans)? What thickness material have you used for your steering shaft? Great looking build mate, hope to give you a good race sometime in the future


Hi Lachlan. There were a couple of reasons for that way of mounting. First one was that I was unaware that the 6204 bearing housings were still available from Fallshaw so I thought I would be stuck with using 2"x1"x1/2" bearings and therefore 1" axles. That is heavy material. If the 1" axles are welded into the extensions they need to go in to the RHS further than is needed to go through the 35mm RHS therefore a weight saving. By the time the nuts are added either side the saving is probably negated. Problems also with welding light to heavy gauge material. The method is just simple quick and easy and the 35mm end piece onto the 30mm extension is a good fit. Plus the diagonal weld will never fail.

Common sizes of nickel plated threaded rod is cheap to buy. Bolts are a lot more expensive. Remember that the bearings are clamped onto a spacer sleeve inside the wheel. These were kindly trued and cut to exact length by my good friend Kody. It is also intended to drill the axles 1/2" or 9/16" to shed some weight. These axles are simply cut lengths of threaded rod and therefore cheap and easy to replace.

The other consideration is that if the extension ends are accurately cut to the desired wheel camber angle and then accurately welded on, the cutting and bending and welding of the rear x member is eliminated. Simpler manufacture and eliminating an area of possible error. Another benefit of this method is that it is very easy to set the exact ground clearance you want.

The steering shaft/tube is 1" nominal bore gal water pipe. There is quite a range of sizes within 1" nominal bore though. What I have used has a 2.1mm wall thickness and an OD of 27mm. In this pipe a 22.1mm bicycle steering stem is a good fit. Many bicycle stems have an adjustment range up to 80mm in or out. It is also possible to buy 100mm stem extension pieces too that also have a range of adjustment. Lots of useful bicycle things you can use on a land yacht and a lot of it you can get for free from the dump.

BTW Diablo has a $35 K-Mart patio seat cushion to keep wifey happy. Cheers Cisco and we will have our sails on the same horizon one day.

landyacht
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11 Mar 2009 9:14pm
Well I can say that I give it the THUMBS UP. It is a nice simple ,fast, neat clean sailing beastie. It handled the beach well and the weight of the yacht is well down.
Excellent work cisco.
And yes its true, I couldnt catch him in a blokart.
I believe youve earned your degree in Landyacht Construction from the Lake Lefroy International School of Landyachting
cisco
cisco
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11 Mar 2009 11:03pm
Thanks for that. I am most chuffed. The LLISL has a pretty big campus over there I believe. This distance education caper is OK but there is nothing like being on campus and getting your data raw. Do you have any post graduate on campus courses over there?
aus230
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12 Mar 2009 10:14pm
excelent job Cisco
Cheers
AUS230
nebbian
nebbian
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12 Mar 2009 11:11pm
Wonderful progression pictures. You've certainly built a lovely looking yacht, and by all accounts a fast one too!

Can I make one suggestion though? Right at the top of the two threads, include a link to the other one.

For example, at the top of this thread put in something like this:


To see the pictures that this thread is talking about, click here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=48684

And then underneath the "Please do not post to this thread" in your pictures page, include a link to this thread:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/post.asp?TOPIC_ID=48685


Lots of people find these threads via search engine, and it makes life so much simpler if these links are in place
cisco
cisco
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13 Mar 2009 1:34am
Thanks aus230 but the real credit goes to the master whose instructions I followed except for a couple of minor personalisations. The critter is a brute to sail but it gets the adrenal gland excited which was the main intention rather than proving it was better than something else.

Thanks nebbian. I tried to make as professional a job of the project as I could and I derived a lot of pleasure out of doing that. The result more than justified my efforts.

Re your link suggestions. I'll give it a go but may have to enlist some help doing that. Hillsy----help!! Please? Cheers Cisco.

Edit:- I have done the link thing and it seems to be right. I couldn't get the link to this thread where you suggested as the post was more than 24 hours old so I did it in a new reply in the thread. Thanks nebbian.
nebbian
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13 Mar 2009 9:49am
Awesome! Thanks for the links Cisco and Hills
hills
hills
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13 Mar 2009 11:40am
no worries - great idea!!
hills
hills
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13 Mar 2009 12:18pm
Laurie has stuck it, thanks Laurie!!
Hiko
Hiko
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13 Mar 2009 11:04am
Cisco
You have done a great job there mate Can understand the buzz
Question: Pauls mast was it the cut down windsurfer sail you used or the [stiff]
as he describes aluminium one? If it was the alum one do you know the makeup
of it?
I am thinking of making my old windsurf mast into a two or three piece but if you guys think it will be too springy I wont bother
The plan is to start with the Windsurfer sail and mast and try it on the class 5 and if all is well put a mini under it
Sort of the cart before the horse so to speak
cisco
cisco
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13 Mar 2009 12:58pm
hills said...

Laurie has stuck it, thanks Laurie!!


Thanks hillsy and laurie.

cisco
cisco
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13 Mar 2009 2:16pm
Hiko,
The mast we had at Yeppoon was Paul's three piece ally mast. I think he did say that it had another section that could be added to it to accommodate a 5m sail.

I thought it was an excellent piece of work and that it's stiffness is a major reason why the yacht performed so well. Aluminium is readily available here, not so used windsurfer masts so I will opt to build an ally mast when Paul publishes the specs.

He took the trouble to point out a disadvantage of the ally masts. That is, due to the ally not being anodised, the combination of moisture and the abrasion of the mast sock on the mast results in a black and smeary residue on the mast which may stain your sail.

As to which is the better mast, ally or wind surf, you will have to ask the master. For gusty conditions or for the "trouble and strife" and the "billy lids", the wind surf mast may be the softer option.

My 11yo son Nic was quite happy sailing Diablo all day in 8-12 knot breezes but when the wind got up the next day and he saw how fast I was going, he said he would rather sail the blokart that day. Not fear I think but good judgement.

Thanks for the compliment. With the approval rating the yacht is getting I must have got most of it right. I am sure we are going to see more of these great little yachts around. I must say again though, most of the credit goes to Paul for a great design, his excellent build thread and drawings and his insistance that I "stick to the plan". For anyone considering building, I urge you to do the same. If it works, don't try to fix it.

Something I haven't mentioned before is that Paul bit the bullet at Yeppoon and offered "Nappy Rush" up for sale to save him the cost and me the trouble of shipping her back west. The price was good so I was not backward in coming forward.

Haven't had a sail in her yet but when I do I am sure it will be another dimension. This yacht is really compact when disassembled and I am sure at least two would fit in the boot of my Falcon. Cheers Cisco

P.S. Despite the two additions to the family, I am not about to sell my blokarts.
landyacht
landyacht
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13 Mar 2009 6:36pm
re the mast , their is a thread titled 3piece mast as used by Bill finch Hills or Giz will know how to find it.I made 2 , one of which has since died due to being a **ty mast to start with. got dropped by too many beginners.
the second mast is glass but works well . I would call it mid range.Crazy trav used it at Walyungup and got past me twice.
. Test pilot 1 has a 2 piece 30% carbon windsurfer mast and the stiffness is equivalent to the mast on nappy rush.
If your putting it onto your SS cl5 , i would be reinforcing the bottom 600mm.for a quick stiff one piece you can slide an old top inside a good mast and trim off.
Gizmo
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13 Mar 2009 8:23pm
There you go Landyacht.... Here is the link you were after
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37931
cisco
cisco
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18 Mar 2009 11:13pm
Thanks for that Coremeister. Given how well Diablo performed with the "Pigs Might Fly Sail Loft" 4m 1000kg Urea sail, I think that sail on ebay might be able to be cut down to fit the bill just right. Of course that the sail is called a Diablo would no bearing on the matter.

I'll put it on watch.
bazl
bazl
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10 Apr 2009 9:20pm
Didjagedit?
cisco
cisco
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11 Apr 2009 2:40am
bazl said...

Didjagedit?


No mate, the budget is tight at the moment. I did get three 4.5m windsurfer masts at the dump last week for $20. Two are lighter fibreglass and one is heavier kevlar.

I have cut the kevlar one into three pieces and have used one of the others to make joiner sleeves and a boom. Also have a radio ariel mast, part of which I am using to make the mast 300mm taller.

Will post pics when it is all done and after I try it out. If the joints fail I will retain the lower kevlar section and then use the middle and top sections as joiner sleeves to hold the upper sections that the remaining fibreglass mast will become.

I am taking the fertiliser bag sail that Paul left with me to the local sailmaker next week to see what he can do for me and how much or little.

And "De Fun Don't Done Yet".

landyacht
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13 Apr 2009 7:16pm
I will be fascinated to see what the "real " thing will cost!
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