Its all down to the Carbon Tax

oz surf said..
Its all down to the Carbon Tax

Yes. That was my first thought, and I suppose some will claim that.
But somehow I don't think the carbon tax would work quite that fast.
If it does then there's no point rushing into it because it should be safe to leave it until the last year or two before we fry up to a small burnt cinder.

This is happening mostly on the northern Hemisphere.

In australia and other Southern hemisphere countrys we have had one of the warmest winters in recorded history.

Co-incidence? guess we will see.

^^ spot on.
Global warming does not just make everywhere hotter. It changes things like ocean currents so some places get colder.
The Gulf Stream is already radically changed - just ask the Atlantic fishermen

But pweedas (as usual) has a very good point. It is not really newsworthy is it...? Not alarmist enough...

www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-intermediate.htm

To summarize the situation with Antarctic ice trends:
-Antarctic land ice is decreasing at an accelerating rate
-Antarctic sea ice is increasing despite the warming Southern Ocean

Basically like a slowing river begins to meander. The slowing jet stream is apparently caused by the reduction in temperature variation between the equator and the poles.

harry potter said..

Well that's inconvenient for the global warming fanatics.... An inconvenient truth !

Actually its noise. Fluctuations of this nature are entirely to be expected.
It's unfortunate that this issue isn't more clear cut because the stakes are very high.

Pweeda's original post was quoting/linking to a UK newspaper - the Daily Mail. This is an absolute trash of a paper that should be accorded no respect or authority on any matter beyond whipping up mock outrage amongst old, white, ready-to-be-outraged Brits.

Whether Pweeda's post is fact or not is irrelevant - it's source lends it no credibility at all.

whippingboy said..

Really ?

www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions

nice.

I make no claim as to the worth of the newspaper quoted.
Knowing the way newspapers work it is probably a trash newspaper.
My estimation of whether the report had some relevance to it or not was based mostly on the NASA graphs published for similar dates in consecutive years. Nasa graphs are usually accurate, although sometimes misinterpretted.

And I also make no conclusion as to whether the graphs represent long term trends or not.
In the same way that 'one swallow does not a summer make",
a one off reversal does not a cooling trend make.
That's why my conclusion was;- "It will be interesting to see if this is a one off increase or if the shrinking trend returns in the next year or two."
And that point is both valid and accurate.
If it turns out that next year has a 60% decrease in sea ice, then we can all get back to posting videos of polar bears balancing on melting icebergs.
And if it turns out that next year's sea ice increases, then we can have the same discussion again.

The other point which is also valid and accurate is that regardless of whether it is a one off reversal or the end of the warming trend, it received virtually no publicity from the usual people who would have been shouting loudly "We told you so!" had the shrinking trend continued.

I think regardless of whether the ice grows or melts, it would be nice if it got similar coverage, otherwise the argument gets biased towards the most popular current philosophy, whether it be warming or cooling.

pweedas said..
In the same way that 'one swallow does not a summer make",

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No it makes your night.....

evlPanda said..

whippingboy said..

Really ?

www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions

nice.

You clipped that out of the Guardian article without attribution.. Naughty, but neat.
In the meantime, we have bushfires in Sydney...in September

log man said..

How foolish do we look, as a nation. We had the start of a trading scheme and now we look like hicks. You can guarantee that the US version of Andrew Bolt will be blogging " hey look at the Aussies they don't believe in climate change, they've thrown it out"

Our climate change policy is now run by Minchin, Bolt, Abbott, Alan Jones, Greg Hunt..........great

That trading scheme was akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.scrapping it does damage our cred .i

Mr Milk said..In the meantime, we have bushfires in Sydney...in September

Is this so unusual?
About 2003, certainly in August, I took part in a 24-hour rogaine S of Ulladulla, based on the beach next to O'Hare's Island. At midnight, a bushfire was burning on the course.
About 2006, certainly October, I recall riding a train towards Lithgow from Mt Victoria. As we travelled the Darling Causeway, kilometres of snow sat to half-metre in height on the western side of the railway, while significant fires were being fought/mopped on the eastern side.

I live in Winmalee. It was seemingly cool-to-cold at 5pm last night (as it is today), while I looked at helicopters and a wide, low orange glow just kilometres away.

pweedas said..


Why don't the more respected papers run the story and explain that the event is still within the confines of the global warming scenario if they want to?
Why wasn't it on the news in the same way that the shrinking was?
I think it's because it does not coincide with the current CO2 pricing and trading agenda.
And we wouldn't want to upset that now would we?

Pweeda.... you're sounding like petermac.
Spending too much time in heavy weather?