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Macroscien
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jusavina
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5 Feb 2012 6:13pm
For sure! They also should make a compulsory registration for pedestrians. Because your paying depending on how many cylinders you have on your car, the fater you are and the more you should pay!

But more seriously, I wouldn't be against if it was only $15 a year and that can give your bike a littlle bit more protection against the thiefts...
James
James
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5 Feb 2012 4:16pm
How many adult cyclists would you think own a car ? While riding their bikes, with their cars parked at home, they are not contributing to wear and tear on the roads, and polluting the air by burning precious fuel. Most of the people I hear complaining about cyclists, do not ride a bike themselves.

I enjoy bike riding, but ride as much on the foot path as I can. There are just way too many drivers out there who consider the arrangement of their next social event, via text or phone call far more important than the possibility of killing you, rendering you brain dead, or turning you in to a quadriplegic. What I find really hard to swallow is that not wearing a seat belt attracts a stiffer penalty than screwing with your phone !!! Think that one over. , J
dinsdale
dinsdale
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5 Feb 2012 4:37pm
Used to have to in WA when I was a kid. Had little metal number plates an' all.
pweedas
pweedas
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5 Feb 2012 4:56pm
That's right. And it didn't make the slightest bit of difference to anything except give the cops something else to bust your ass over and something else for other little snots to pinch.
For the small amount of good it did it's not worth the bother.
choco
choco
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5 Feb 2012 7:45pm
gee what next our shoes?
newguy
newguy
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5 Feb 2012 5:32pm
If this is brought up cos of the Shane Warne incident, he can go *(&98(#$# . Cyclists are doing the world a favor by leaving their cars at home and not polluting the planet! If aussies cycled more, we'd be a less fatter bunch. Cars are just the SUPs of the land .
stamp
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5 Feb 2012 7:44pm
if you want an excuse to wear brightly coloured lycra hot pants and shave your legs then buy a bike by all means. it's none of my business.

but if you are going to ride 6 abreast and take up both lanes of the road while ignoring traffic lights and road signs on your way to sip your low fat skinny soy frappa mocha cinos, then you should be held accountable by registration.

Mr float
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5 Feb 2012 9:53pm
I;m on the record here and elsewhere that I am all for it .i ride my bike every day and do most of my commuting shopping etc on my bike . (I also drive a car that has cobwebs over the petrol tank).I am fed up with motorists arguments that bikes don't pay rego and should not be on the roads and are therfore fair game on the roads (there are plenty of dead and maimed cyclists that are the victim of some dickhead drivers crap attitude toward them) .Bring it on I;m happy to pay to shut these ****ers up and also put an end to latte sipping wankers in lycra going for their pack ride pissing motorists off and other bike riding breakers of road rules .Lycra should also be banned for the pretenders ,( except the Cadel Evans's of the world it )Its not needed,stinks and puts prospective riders off from riding a bike (they think that it is some kind of strange requirement for riding a bike)
Mr float
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5 Feb 2012 9:57pm
stamp said...

if you want an excuse to wear brightly coloured lycra hot pants and shave your legs then buy a bike by all means. it's none of my business.

but if you are going to ride 6 abreast and take up both lanes of the road while ignoring traffic lights and road signs on your way to sip your low fat skinny soy frappa mocha cinos, then you should be held accountable by registration.


ditto , I just cancelled the red thumb issued by some smelly lycra clad half strength decaf skim latte(why bother) sipping wally(or sympathiser of these strange stinky gits)


Mr float
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5 Feb 2012 10:18pm
dinsdale said...

Used to have to in WA when I was a kid. Had little metal number plates an' all.


sounds like a good idea .why was it dropped?
Smithy
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5 Feb 2012 10:30pm
Not sure where you guys live with riders 6 abreast?? I live bay side in Melbourne and along with a couple of thousand other Lyra clad cyclist ride beach road of a weekend. At least during the earlier part of the morning when the more serious riders are out it is only ever 2 abreast. We the riders are probably the most vocal when another rider breaches either road rules or rider protocol.

As for the Lycra, half of the bike seat is actually built into the seat of the Knicks, without these you will not be able to to walk for the rest of the week.

Finally, a large majority of the cyclist are paid up members of bicycle Victoria. This gives us public liability insurance, some income protection and medical gap insurance and a magazine subscription all for the princely sum of $150 a year for a family. A hell of a lot better value than my KBV membership. Oh and you also get a registration tag you can attach to your bike...
FlySurfer
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5 Feb 2012 10:50pm
Fark off.


Mr float
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5 Feb 2012 10:54pm
Smithy said...

Not sure where you guys live with riders 6 abreast?? I live bay side in Melbourne and along with a couple of thousand other Lyra clad cyclist ride beach road of a weekend. At least during the earlier part of the morning when the more serious riders are out it is only ever 2 abreast. We the riders are probably the most vocal when another rider breaches either road rules or rider protocol.

As for the Lycra, half of the bike seat is actually built into the seat of the Knicks, without these you will not be able to to walk for the rest of the week.

Finally, a large majority of the cyclist are paid up members of bicycle Victoria. This gives us public liability insurance, some income protection and medical gap insurance and a magazine subscription all for the princely sum of $150 a year for a family. A hell of a lot better value than my KBV membership. Oh and you also get a registration tag you can attach to your bike...


I'm with you on the 6 abreast bollocks (typical excuse of "it's my frikken road" motorists who hate cyclists)however I.m tired of the 'Padding 'argument .get a comfy seat or stick a sock down ya jocks and ditch the stinking lycra and adopt cool flappy cotton.(you'll be less of a target for motorists too) the argument for cycling lycra for numpties is up there with boadies over wetties for kitesurfers Why anyone (besides pro riders) would want to ride a bike with a seat that amounts to two bits of leather covered metal that gives you ball cancer is beyond me.
Carantoc
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5 Feb 2012 8:07pm
Mr float said...

dinsdale said...

Used to have to in WA when I was a kid. Had little metal number plates an' all.


sounds like a good idea .why was it dropped?


Because it only SOUNDED like a good idea ?
Smithy
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5 Feb 2012 11:09pm
Mr float said...

Smithy said...

Not sure where you guys live with riders 6 abreast?? I live bay side in Melbourne and along with a couple of thousand other Lyra clad cyclist ride beach road of a weekend. At least during the earlier part of the morning when the more serious riders are out it is only ever 2 abreast. We the riders are probably the most vocal when another rider breaches either road rules or rider protocol.

As for the Lycra, half of the bike seat is actually built into the seat of the Knicks, without these you will not be able to to walk for the rest of the week.

Finally, a large majority of the cyclist are paid up members of bicycle Victoria. This gives us public liability insurance, some income protection and medical gap insurance and a magazine subscription all for the princely sum of $150 a year for a family. A hell of a lot better value than my KBV membership. Oh and you also get a registration tag you can attach to your bike...


I.m tired of the 'Padding 'argument .get a comfy seat or stick a sock down ya jocks and ditch the stinking lycra and adopt cool flappy cotton.(you'll be less of a target for motorists too) the argument for cycling lycra for numpties is up there with boadies over wetties for kitesurfers Why anyone (besides pro riders) would want to ride a bike with a seat that amounts to two bits of leather covered metal that gives you ball cancer is beyond me.


Sorry no jocks either, just adds to the chaffing.....unless you have more of a female shaped anatomy a wide seat is not a comfy seat. A narrow seat with the second half built into your pants so it moves with you is the most comfy seat going, give it a go. Did have a good laugh The other day though when i went past a dude riding with his knicks inside out.

Didn't realize that there actually was a reason for boardies over wetties
Gorgo
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5 Feb 2012 11:39pm
Smithy said...

Not sure where you guys live with riders 6 abreast?? I live bay side in Melbourne and along with a couple of thousand other Lyra clad cyclist ride beach road of a weekend. At least during the earlier part of the morning when the more serious riders are out it is only ever 2 abreast. We the riders are probably the most vocal when another rider breaches either road rules or rider protocol.

...


Liar. You get riders 2-3 abreast, then a group will pass them 2-3 abreast (makes 4-5-6) then you get a couple of fast guys overtaking into the right lane at 6-7 wide with no thought of the cars that are already there trying their best to not hit the riders and not get pushed into the oncoming cars.

This happens all the time, weekends, before and after the 10:00 am parking restrictions end, and mid-week after 6:30-7:00pm. You also get packs of up to 100 bikes running through roundabouts and traffic lights at 6:00 am weekdays.

I cycle commute to work all through winter on the cycle track. The only problem I have is with cyclists.

The only safety problem for cycling is cyclists on the road refusing to take responsibility for their own safety. They expect car drivers to take all the action to keep cyclists safe and get upset when it goes wrong.

It doesn't matter if the car driver is legally in the wrong. If you get hit by a car you're just as dead or maimed.

Smithy
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5 Feb 2012 11:51pm
Liar is a bit harsh....

I do agree with one view however that if you get hit by a car you are either dead or mamed, I also agree that a lot of cyclist are more dangerous than the cars around us in fact in my view cycling is more dangerous than when i go kiting or windsurfing.
Mr float
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6 Feb 2012 8:59am
Smithy said...

Liar is a bit harsh....

I do agree with one view however that if you get hit by a car you are either dead or mamed, I also agree that a lot of cyclist are more dangerous than the cars around us in fact in my view cycling is more dangerous than when i go kiting or windsurfing.


agreed.I feel alot more relaxed and at ease kiting thanI do biking.Motorists and cyclists do dumb things, sticking a camera on your head so that the coroner and family can see how you died isn't going to keep you alive .I prefer to ride defensively and try to stay unmaimed and undead.I.ll give the go pro on your head idea a miss thanks.
DavMen
DavMen
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6 Feb 2012 9:16am
Careful what you wish for!!!

What would be next.

Windsurfing?
Kiting?
SUP?
Surfing?
Joggers?
the list goes on.

Rego'ing a bike will not lead to better cyclist behaviour - nor will it stop idoit drivers taking out cyclists.

The vast majority of cyclists and drivers co-exhist in harmony - leave it at that.

Gorgo
Gorgo
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6 Feb 2012 11:22am
Smithy said...

Liar is a bit harsh....
...


Sorry. It was meant to be. I am a bit over the continual representation of cyclists as the innocent victim and evil drivers the cause of all trouble.

The constant subtext is that if car drivers would just drive more carefully then the roads would be safe for cyclists. This is wrong. No matter how carefully a vehicle is driven, if you hit a cyclist for any reason, the cyclist is going to be stuffed.

The real cause of the problem is trying to have a mixed traffic flow on the same roads.

Cars and trucks sort of get away with sharing roads (but not really).

Cars, trucks and cyclists? No way. The cyclists are not visible enough, not fast enough, can't stop or steer fast enough and die when they get hit.

Cyclists and pedestrians sharing paths is somewhere between. Cyclists can slow down to pedestrian speeds so that the results of incidents is not so severe. Generally they don't.

Anyway, to answer the question, Registration? No, for three reasons:

1. It's put forward as a means of desperate drivers to get cyclists to behave in a safe manner. It won't work.

2. It's put forward as a means of angry drivers taking revenge on cyclists. It won't work. No-one will enforce the enfringements.

3. It could be used to raise money to build dedicated cycle paths. That would work but the registration would not raise enough money to make it viable.

As for cameras on your head, it will give your family a nice video to remember you by.
saltiest1
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6 Feb 2012 11:32am
should register conspiricy theorists.
Smithy
Smithy
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6 Feb 2012 11:42am
If you read my original posting again you will not see anywhere that I claimed cyclist to be the innocent victims, or anything against car drivers what so ever... Not even sure where the gopro reference comes from, certainly not me.

The point I was trying to make was that in my experience, the cyclists are trying to self regulate poor behavior just as much as we do as kitesurfers. Just as the general public do see this with the kiters it is also not really seen with the cyclists.

Again just as it is with the kite boarders and sailboarders, the poor behavior of a number of individuals does not therefore mean that all are the same and we treat them as such...

Gorgo
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6 Feb 2012 12:57pm
Smithy said...

Not sure where you guys live with riders 6 abreast?? I live bay side in Melbourne and along with a couple of thousand other Lyra clad cyclist ride beach road of a weekend. At least during the earlier part of the morning when the more serious riders are out it is only ever 2 abreast. ...



It's 2 abreast until those 2 approach another group of 2 (or a parked car) then it becomes 4 abreast unless a faster group of 2 coincides then it's 6 abreast.

The riders moving over never look behind, never drop back to single file, they always just move over and force anybody behind them to deal with it.

This is usually done while chatting with mates and having a nice social time.

If you ride or drive Beach Rd with any frequency then you know this is true.

It is infuriating for drivers because it leaves them with no road and because of the attitude of entitlement and contempt for other road users.

Cyclists should ride single file so the faster cyclists can use the second space to overtake. Overtaking cyclists should wait in the queue to get past slower cyclists and not just weave into the right lane. The law says cyclists "... must not ride more than two abreast ..." It doesn't say you have a right to ride two abreast all the time. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/SafetyAndRules/RoadRules/Bicycles.htm

Cyclists should only move into the right lane after looking to see that it is clear for a reasonable distance, and signalling their intention.

As a result of the weekend morning parking ban on Beach Rd there is an expectation among drivers and residents that cyclists would stay in the left lane. Obviously there is no legal requirement but you would expect some sense of fair play to apply. This is not the case.

It is ok to move right and hold up the cars if there are parked cars and the move is done with sufficient space to allow the cars in the right lane to reduce speed without emergency braking.

Add to the road hogging the abuse of people as they get into/out of cars, skimming doors and lane splitting, is it any wonder people get pissed off?

As for Lycra, for commuting I wear lycra shorts or tights because they are the most comfortable and easy to maintain and to keep my street clothes clean for the destination. For noodling on the bike or going to the shop I just wear street clothes.

My shorts are mostly black. My tops are brightly coloured, non-logo. There is nothing worse than some hairy arsed man wearing transparent white lycra shorts. (There is nothing better than a hot woman cyclist in transparent lycra shorts [}:)] ).

There is nothing sadder than fat middle-aged dudes in $200 logo lycra and $5000 bikes slogging along at 20kph on the road.

There is nothing more infuriating than a whole team coloured peloton riding two abreast at peak hour blocking traffic chatting about crap.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
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6 Feb 2012 1:05pm
DavMen said...
The vast majority of cyclists and drivers co-exhist in harmony


Lol, like cats & dogs.
NoBS
NoBS
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6 Feb 2012 10:18am


anyone that wears lycra and has a bike more than $6000, additionally only rides 3km to the cafe to meet his bikefriends for a soy chai latte should be registered and taxed to the max for being posers.
bobajob
bobajob
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6 Feb 2012 12:34pm
newguy said...

If this is brought up cos of the Shane Warne incident, he can go *(&98(#$# . Cyclists are doing the world a favor by leaving their cars at home and not polluting the planet! If aussies cycled more, we'd be a less fatter bunch. Cars are just the SUPs of the land .


Nah, Not doing anyone any favours.
The resourse input to make that fluro lycra is criminal and a waste of petrochemical.
poor relative
poor relative
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6 Feb 2012 10:57am
I cycle everywhere

I ride between 2 and 400kms every week - week in week out month in month out. Have been for the past 3 years or so.

I wear non branded lycra - why would anyone give a sh!t what cyclists wear or why they wear it.
I also try to do a group ride every Sat am 6am til about 8am when there is little to no traffic on the road.

I'm not sure what the fuss is about. When i'm driving my car and see a pack of cyclists i slow down wait until safe then pass. Why does that create such a drama for some drivers.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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6 Feb 2012 11:01am
Registration that is a 3rd party insurance or to avoid registration produce a proof of insurance.
Smithy
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6 Feb 2012 2:18pm
I live on Nepean hwy so yes I do drive and ride there constantly. I ride just over 6000 klms a year all on weekends at an average speed of 32 klms/hr. I won't ride weekdays because of the traffic, nor do I usually ride after 10am because of traffic and the cyclist have turned into browns cows. I don't stop for coffee, I wear black Knicks and plain colored tops or one the bike shop gave me. I usually don't ride with groups of more than 10-12

We ride 2 abreast when we can because single file the cars will pass you with inches to spare. When 2 abreast they give you more space. When passing other cyclists the cyclist at the back of the pack will usually check and call if it is clear. When passing parked cars those at the front signal there is an object coming up, also advise of glass on the road or other objects.

I have seen a cyclist spit on cars because a dog in the back seat barked at them, and I have seen P plater car divers deliberately swerving at bikes to give them a scare.

As previously said, don't label everyone the same. It is that kind of attitude that would see Sports like kite surfing banned.....



dinsdale
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6 Feb 2012 12:10pm
Smithy said...
It is that kind of attitude that would see Sports like kite surfing banned.....

See, there's an up-side to everything

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