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fingerbone
fingerbone
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25 Jul 2012 9:36pm
To those goody goodys out there
Give me a reason why they would keep that asshole alive that sexually molested a three year old today?
lotofwind
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25 Jul 2012 10:01pm
They should keep him alive so they can put him in jail and be molested by large hairy men.
The punishment should fit the crime.

Maybe have him tatted up like this first, just to be sure.(taken from funny photos thread)
stamp
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25 Jul 2012 10:49pm
i'm not condoning his actions in any way- it makes my stomach turn to think anybody could molest an infant, but the death penalty is not the answer. i'll give you more than one reason:

1. because it costs more to put a prisoner to death than keep them in gaol, (constant appeals, time spent on death row, and all the crap that goes on with the actual execution)

2. when new evidence comes to light it's a bit late to change the outcome (eg lindy chamberlain). plenty of innocent men have been executed in the u.s.

3. because it's barbaric

4. because the state should lead by example: you don't condemn the taking of a life by the taking of another, all you do is officially cheapen life

5. it doesn't work as a deterrent- sick ****s still commit sick crimes no matter what the punishment

www.amnesty.org.au/campaigns/end-the-death-penalty/
www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/case-against-death-penalty
kiteboy dave
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25 Jul 2012 10:53pm
Sounds like someone's been listening to commercial AM radio. How about you post a link to the story, I've just checked the news sites and I can't see it.





SP
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kpb
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25 Jul 2012 11:07pm
fingerbone said...

To those goody goodys out there
Give me a reason why they would keep that asshole alive that sexually molested a three year old today?


Can't find any reason why people who do this should be kept round...Do away with them then they can't hurt anyone else...Let's face it rehab doesn't really work look how many re-offend.
Mackerel
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25 Jul 2012 9:42pm
Yes, I think he should die, likewise for anyone that commits those type of crimes. If a few innocent men have to die wrongly convicted in the long run so be it. If there is enough evidence to convict someone in the first place, they're are pretty suss anyway.
Ted the Kiwi
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25 Jul 2012 11:55pm


Jeepers SP he is half way between us - glad they got him.

I think the argument that the death penalty can be expensive is fair but if a prisoner is costing you a 100k plus a year for 35 yrs then that adds up as well. I am not a fan of the death penalty though - not really sure how I feel about it these days. I wish sometimes that the punishment did fit the crime a bit more - but then on the other hand I would like to see an attempt made at rehab - yet I know that most people like this are probably lost causes. So I guess I am a classic fence sitter on this one. When I see / hear news stories like this one I just think of that scene in Con Air with Steve Buscemi and the barbie dolls and the young girl........it makes my spine tinkle and distorts my view on humanity.
sn
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25 Jul 2012 9:58pm
Nice attitude Mackeral,
but before you get too enthusiastic with the noose, or poison jab-

have a look at the history of our legal system- there are a lot in Australia- and Western Australia who were locked up and had thier lives ruined, because the police and prosecutors at the time reckoned the accused was guilty- and if they couldnt find the evidence- tough luck, they would manufacture the evidence or conceal any that proved innocence.

I am all for the death penalty when there is absolutely no doubt- but I dont have enough faith in our legal system to trust it with taking someones life just yet.

stephen
Ted the Kiwi
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26 Jul 2012 12:00am
sn said...
I dont have enough faith in our legal system to trust it with taking someones life just yet.



+ 1
Mark _australia
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25 Jul 2012 10:02pm
"Won appeal" does not equal "not guilty"


Gorgo
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26 Jul 2012 12:45am
http://www.innocenceprojectwa.org.au/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases#Australia
tightlines
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25 Jul 2012 10:59pm
Ted the Kiwi said...

sn said...
I dont have enough faith in our legal system to trust it with taking someones life just yet.



+ 1


How much does castration cost? actually I don't care how much, it sounds like money well spent.

I don't know the facts though and I am sure there has many an innocent person convicted over the years but it sounds like a pretty fair alternative to the death penalty in cases like this.
elmo
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25 Jul 2012 11:30pm
Give them the "Squaw Punishment"

Lock them in a room with the mothers
Wollemi
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26 Jul 2012 9:47am
Yee-haw ! Somebody grab the rope, hell yeah - we gunna have ourselves a hangin' !
Sailhack
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26 Jul 2012 9:48am
Ted the Kiwi said...

sn said...
I dont have enough faith in our legal system to trust it with taking someones life just yet.



+ 1


+2 (sort of)

How many people are wrongly accused (especially of sexual abuse & other physical crimes) out of spite from fallen-out relationships?

A mate of mine was accused of abusing his 13yo stepdaughter. Cops came to his house & took him for questioning, but luckily didn't lay charges as they thought something wasn't right but he wasn't able to 'leave-town'. When he told me he was basically in tears...he told me that it was because he had handed out some strict punishment after getting a phone call from her bio-dad that she had been missing for a day, he & her mum went looking for her (her bio-dad was too stoned & drunk) & found her drunk, sexually active & passed out on the street.

She was made to live with her bio-dad (wtf?!) and it went on for a month until she came forward to the cops and admitted to lying to get back at him. As it turned out, she realised that her bio-dad didn't give a sh!t about her & what she thought was freedom he gave her, turned out being neglect.

With the media being corrupt & able to sway the legal system & public opinion, I'm not sure that we're ready to bring back the DP ( I think that contradicts what I've posted in the past, but hey - it's a different day!).
Davage
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26 Jul 2012 10:30am
Death penalty when there is absolutly no doubt in anyones mind. Should have been given to Martin Bryant, this Batman killer should get it to.
myusernam
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26 Jul 2012 10:35am
Davage said...

Death penalty when there is absolutly no doubt in anyones mind. Should have been given to Martin Bryant, this Batman killer should get it to.


agreed. anders brehvnik also. Only trouble is, if we had it 30 years ago would we have given to Lindy Chamberlin?
Wollemi
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26 Jul 2012 10:46am
Davage said...

Death penalty when there is absolutly no doubt in anyones mind. Should have been given to Martin Bryant, this Batman killer should get it to.


Truss him up real good, boys! Don't let the basterd git away, now like.
Wollemi
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26 Jul 2012 10:49am
myusernam said...anders brehvnik also. Only trouble is, if we had it 30 years ago would we have given to Lindy Chamberlin?


Hey - found us a stout tree over yonder. Let's haul the fink up quick - watch 'em dangle. But, hey - is our rope long enough?

log man
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26 Jul 2012 11:27am
They're STILL......Takin ar jarbbbs!!!
CMC
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26 Jul 2012 11:32am
Forget the death penalty and just let the parents and family have 30 minutes alone with the guy who does that to their child.


Might mean the same thing eh?
doggie
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26 Jul 2012 9:45am
log man said...

They're STILL......Takin ar jarbbbs!!!


You really are a twit
Dawn Patrol
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26 Jul 2012 11:02am
Mackerel said...

Yes, I think he should die, likewise for anyone that commits those type of crimes. If a few innocent men have to die wrongly convicted in the long run so be it. If there is enough evidence to convict someone in the first place, they're are pretty suss anyway.


What if one day you were one of those people?
That is just a ridiculous thing to say. An innocent person should never suffer for something they didn't do.

Have a look at the story of John Button (the book 'Broken Lives' tells the story well) about a young innocent man put on death row for years. His innocence was eventually proven and the real killer, Eric Edgar Cooke, was the last person to be hanged in WA (and he deserved it).

I would support the death penalty if they could guarantee guilt. But they can't, and the risk of killing an innocent person is very real and an unacceptable result.
DUDE
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26 Jul 2012 1:16pm



myusernam
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26 Jul 2012 1:16pm
Wollemi said...

myusernam said...anders brehvnik also. Only trouble is, if we had it 30 years ago would we have given to Lindy Chamberlin?


Hey - found us a stout tree over yonder. Let's haul the fink up quick - watch 'em dangle. But, hey - is our rope long enough?




are you calling me a redneck for saying that those three cants should be put down? Because if you interpreted my post without being such a tard you would see that I am not advocating the death penalty because of the possibility of innocent victims like lindy chamberlin. That said, I think you would find the majority of people who dont have a clear view or are even opposed to the death penalty might be persuaded to make an exception in special cases like the three mass murderers mentioned.

I am not for the death penalty, but I definatley could make an exception for those three.

Davage
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26 Jul 2012 1:42pm
myusernam said...

Davage said...

Death penalty when there is absolutly no doubt in anyones mind. Should have been given to Martin Bryant, this Batman killer should get it to.


agreed. anders brehvnik also. Only trouble is, if we had it 30 years ago would we have given to Lindy Chamberlin?


THere was doubts about Lindy from the begining so she would be safe.
Im talking about having multiple witnesses/caught in the act or video or a confession, the sort of evidence that leaves no doubt in anyones mind.
Wollemi
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26 Jul 2012 1:44pm
myusernam said...I am not for the death penalty, but I definatley could make an exception for those three.


So... the evil criminals of John Glover, Ivan Milat, David Birnie, et alia, were deemed OK to be lifers by you, but your referenced criminals are not?

myusernam said...

Wollemi said...

myusernam said...anders brehvnik also. Only trouble is, if we had it 30 years ago would we have given to Lindy Chamberlin?


Hey - found us a stout tree over yonder. Let's haul the fink up quick - watch 'em dangle. But, hey - is our rope long enough?

are you calling me a redneck for saying that those three cants should be put down? Because if you interpreted my post without being such a tard you would see that I am not advocating the death penalty because of the possibility of innocent victims like lindy chamberlin. That said, I think you would find the majority of people who dont have a clear view or are even opposed to the death penalty might be persuaded to make an exception in special cases like the three mass murderers mentioned.

I am not for the death penalty, but I definatley could make an exception for those three.


My dear MUN; since you invited such distraction from the debate, angry as it was from the start - I'll publicly insult you further by calling you a 'Redneck' due to your poor choice of words contained within the English language.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%27tard
Adjective used to describe one so retarded, they do not deserve the 're'
Someone who acts unintelligent either purposely or accidentally.
Associating with someone mentally disabled and/or retarded.


myusernam
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26 Jul 2012 1:58pm
Wollemi said...

myusernam said...I am not for the death penalty, but I definatley could make an exception for those three.


So... the evil criminals of John Glover, Ivan Milat, David Birnie, et alia, were deemed OK to be lifers by you, but your referenced criminals are not?

myusernam said...

Wollemi said...

myusernam said...anders brehvnik also. Only trouble is, if we had it 30 years ago would we have given to Lindy Chamberlin?


Hey - found us a stout tree over yonder. Let's haul the fink up quick - watch 'em dangle. But, hey - is our rope long enough?

are you calling me a redneck for saying that those three cants should be put down? Because if you interpreted my post without being such a tard you would see that I am not advocating the death penalty because of the possibility of innocent victims like lindy chamberlin. That said, I think you would find the majority of people who dont have a clear view or are even opposed to the death penalty might be persuaded to make an exception in special cases like the three mass murderers mentioned.

I am not for the death penalty, but I definatley could make an exception for those three.


My dear MUN; since you invited such distraction from the debate, angry as it was from the start - I'll publicly insult you further by calling you a 'Redneck' due to your poor choice of words contained within the English language.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%27tard
Adjective used to describe one so retarded, they do not deserve the 're'
Someone who acts unintelligent either purposely or accidentally.
Associating with someone mentally disabled and/or retarded.





well dont you think it is angry if you degenerate someone just becasue they dont have the same view as yours? Isn't that pretty much the defintion of a redneck?
In the case for the death penalty I can see the argument for both sides and while I am against, I can respect someones view to the contrary. I dont get all personally agitated about it if someone has an oppising view. I just might get a bit agitated if someone is so narrow minded that they call me a redneck for having a different view becasue they are so firmly up their own ass they can only believe that theirs is the correct one.

Wollemi
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26 Jul 2012 2:33pm
myusernam said...well dont you think it is angry if you degenerate someone just becasue they dont have the same view as yours? Isn't that pretty much the defintion of a redneck?
In the case for the death penalty I can see the argument for both sides and while I am against, I can respect someones view to the contrary. I dont get all personally agitated about it if someone has an oppising view. I just might get a bit agitated if someone is so narrow minded that they call me a redneck for having a different view becasue they are so firmly up their own ass they can only believe that theirs is the correct one.


Dear MUN,
You are selectively wanting to apply capital punishment. And if you could 'definatley [sic] make an exception...', then you are playing judiciary and executioner. If you are not happy with the status quo we have in Australia (with regards to abolition of Capital Punishment), lobby your local parliamentary representative. I think the government of Bob Hawke may have signed a law forever after banning the re-introduction of Capital Punishment in Australia - this thread may have been going nowhere from the start.

When you are jumping up and down about things that can't be changed, or are not prepared to take on the Westminster form of Government we have, but have declared your malcontent position with respect to mass-murderers still walking the planet - while resorting to provocation and personal abuse, that appears to be the attitude of one who may may be... agitated.

Best wishes for the rest of your day.

Simondo
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26 Jul 2012 2:38pm
Wollemi said...

Yee-haw ! Somebody grab the rope, hell yeah - we gunna have ourselves a hangin' !


Saw a sharp shooter on Mythbusters... The Myth was something along the lines of shooting the rope, so save a hanging man, during the Wild West Days.

This sharp shooter older gentleman even had an old school rifle... He was a dead-eye shooter... So calm, such a beautiful shot. Took him a few shots to set "Buster" (the dummy) free. He skun the rope a couple of times... before middling it...

The consensus was... It would be easier to shoot the sheriff and his deputy... Is there a song about that!? ie. even if you succeed in shooting the rope, the sheriff will immediately draw his gun and start shooting at you!

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