Cost Cutting (can) mean bad business sense?

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FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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19 Jun 2011 5:55pm
wormy said...

Normally the plumbing comes up from floor and wiring comes down from the roof.


Wrong,
Plumbing and electrical all come from the ceiling.
Main lines run up a wall and across the ceiling with droppers down to each electrical/plumbing fixture.
I plumb them every day.


Just out of interest, do a lot of new places use PEX, and would that have changed the way the water was run?

I have an old house, so some of the plumbing is run from the top and some from the bottom, and the same for the wiring.

FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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WA, 15109 posts
19 Jun 2011 5:58pm
landyacht said...

you have to love the "I will have to talk with my manager "line
once when haggling over a second hand car , the salemen told me , he would have to check with his manager and left the office.
whilst waiting for him , a salesman in the next office said to a customer on the phone"I will just check with my manager", put the caller on hold,and sat back smoked a ciggie, then picked up the phone and told the personthat his manager wouldnt allow him to reduce the price.
we got up and left the caryard..
so many salespeople just think they have to bull**** you to get the sale , but realistically , if they told the truth they would get a better sale


I got suckered by this a few years ago, and the salesman did it about 3 times. A few months later I found out it is a normal/common practice.

Next time, I really want to sit there and wait till they go 'see their manager' and then walk out.
desertyank
desertyank
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1264 posts
19 Jun 2011 6:39pm
landyacht said...

you have to love the "I will have to talk with my manager "line
once when haggling over a second hand car , the salemen told me , he would have to check with his manager and left the office. .............


There are some car dealerships here that REQUIRE the salesmen to play this game, or versions of this game. I walked away from a guy in mid sentence because he told me he had to go back to see the manager a second time. Some of the salesmen hate it, but are forced to play. I think they must lose sales, but maybe it works on some people
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
19 Jun 2011 8:42pm
FormulaNova said...

wormy said...

Normally the plumbing comes up from floor and wiring comes down from the roof.


Wrong,
Plumbing and electrical all come from the ceiling.
Main lines run up a wall and across the ceiling with droppers down to each electrical/plumbing fixture.
I plumb them every day.


Just out of interest, do a lot of new places use PEX, and would that have changed the way the water was run?

I have an old house, so some of the plumbing is run from the top and some from the bottom, and the same for the wiring.



I would say 90% of plumbers use PEX for house plumbing now days.
pre 80's it was more common to run water pipe under slabs and up from the floor through the walls to each fixture, however as the copper pipe deteriorates and leaks under concrete slabs it can be a real pain to repair/replace, Hence pipes in ceilings are much easier to access. Also PEX doesn't have the corrosion problems as copper does, also reduces water hammer as the pipe is not rigid, One downside is the rats also like it, I had to repair one the other day that had been chewed to bits, the rats had also chewed the plastic covers of all of the down lights.

F.N.
some older houses also had cold run under the slabs and hot run through the ceiling.
I also know of some older plumbers who still use the "old ways"
Not real practicale for later day maintainence.
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
WA, 3519 posts
20 Jun 2011 9:31am
desertyank said...

landyacht said...

you have to love the "I will have to talk with my manager "line
once when haggling over a second hand car , the salemen told me , he would have to check with his manager and left the office. .............


There are some car dealerships here that REQUIRE the salesmen to play this game, or versions of this game. I walked away from a guy in mid sentence because he told me he had to go back to see the manager a second time. Some of the salesmen hate it, but are forced to play. I think they must lose sales, but maybe it works on some people

Had a guy to my house Saturday trying to sell me solar panels and he called his manager twice then he lost me! My argument was that I would install if it payed by itself, meaning no out of pocket expense as I did not buy the save the world bull manure. Was funny at the end..... the sales man left very confused!

Hamsta
Hamsta
505 posts
505 posts
20 Jun 2011 1:04pm
FormulaNova said...

landyacht said...

you have to love the "I will have to talk with my manager "line
once when haggling over a second hand car , the salemen told me , he would have to check with his manager and left the office.
whilst waiting for him , a salesman in the next office said to a customer on the phone"I will just check with my manager", put the caller on hold,and sat back smoked a ciggie, then picked up the phone and told the personthat his manager wouldnt allow him to reduce the price.
we got up and left the caryard..
so many salespeople just think they have to bull**** you to get the sale , but realistically , if they told the truth they would get a better sale



I got suckered by this a few years ago, and the salesman did it about 3 times. A few months later I found out it is a normal/common practice.

Next time, I really want to sit there and wait till they go 'see their manager' and then walk out.



'Glengarry,Glenross' superbly deals with the psychology of sales with an all star cast. Worth a look.
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