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Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
5 Jul 2012 9:39pm
Little Jon said...

me thinks businesses are grossly undertaxed, about time those bludgers started pulling their weight


So tax businesses more?
Lets make it hard for them to employ people and produce goods to sell, then what they go broke the employees are now without work living on Government payments payed by people / business that are working.... but for how much longer?

Another goose thinking the Government is a bottomless money pit that NEVER runs out.

Here is an email sent to me some time ago that explains it....


The $50 Lesson

Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog.

During our friendly conversation, I asked their 12 year old daughter what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be Prime Minister some day.

Both of her parents – Socialist Labor- were standing there, so I
Asked her, "If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?"

She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."

Her parents beamed with pride!

"Wow! What a worthy goal!" I said. "But you don't have to wait until you're Prime Minister to do that!" I told her.

"What do you mean?" she replied.

So I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house."

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?"

I said, "Welcome to the Liberal Party."

Her parents aren't speaking to me.




Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
5 Jul 2012 11:00pm
Gizmo said...

Little Jon said...

me thinks businesses are grossly undertaxed, about time those bludgers started pulling their weight


So tax businesses more?
Lets make it hard for them to employ people and produce goods to sell, then what they go broke the employees are now without work living on Government payments payed by people / business that are working.... but for how much longer?

Another goose thinking the Government is a bottomless money pit that NEVER runs out.

Here is an email sent to me some time ago that explains it....


The $50 Lesson

Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog.

During our friendly conversation, I asked their 12 year old daughter what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be Prime Minister some day.

Both of her parents – Socialist Labor- were standing there, so I
Asked her, "If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?"

She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."

Her parents beamed with pride!

"Wow! What a worthy goal!" I said. "But you don't have to wait until you're Prime Minister to do that!" I told her.

"What do you mean?" she replied.

So I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house."

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?"

I said, "Welcome to the Liberal Party."

Her parents aren't speaking to me.




But what if you can get a overseas worker for $5

Trouble is capitalism is not perfect and when you count the number of jobs there is a huge gap compared to the number looking for jobs.

Most homeless have mental health problems
log man
log man
VIC
8289 posts
VIC, 8289 posts
6 Jul 2012 12:10am
Kiting said...

Another little tax to add to the multitude of other little taxes that "arent much extra". Will make zero difference to carbon emissions, cost Australia whilst rewarding our competitors.

Assuming the gov then distributes ALL proceeds to renewable energy concepts it deems the best, instead of those the free market would have allocated to once viable, rewarding the unsustainable and hampering the actual solution. As a result, the move toward renewable energy to take even longer over the long term.

Another destructive measure over the long term. But yes, the sky has not fallen in over night, it was never the claim. As commodity prices drop and we deal with reality at some point in the future, lets see how our overtaxed businesses compete offshore..

Morally wrong, she has managed to sell it to the illinformed though, sounds great in theory I suppose.


"zero difference to carbon emissions".......yeah right!


"Assuming the gov then distributes ALL proceeds to renewable energy concepts it deems the best, instead of those the free market would have allocated to once viable, rewarding the unsustainable and hampering the actual solution. As a result, the move toward renewable energy to take even longer over the long term".......It's a fricken consumer,market driven solution....geeez


"Another destructive measure over the long term"......so reducing carbon emissions is going to be a bad thing in the long term, eh......Like with the climate and all that stuff?

" overtaxed businesses"????WTF have you noticed the state of the economy lately? No not the squealing "we're doing it really tough line that seems to be fashionable at the moment , no the REAL economy, look at the figures....and again today, NEW CAR SALES UP 17 % OVER SAME TIME LAST YEAR!!!!!get real!

" she has managed to sell it to the illinformed though".....Who's uninformed again???
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
6 Jul 2012 1:21am
Car sales up 17% huh
Not from cars made here it was the worst year in history for Aussie cars
The increase has come from overseas manufacturers who can afford to keep their prices lower now the carbon tax will make our car makers even more un-competitive
Then go the jobs
Then comes the government bail out.....

And it's not just the car makers Alcoa in VIC just got a massive bail out as well

The labor party love to Tax the companies the when they go belly up and or job losses occur they have to appease their union mates by offering government bailout packages.
It a merry go round

And the economy is not all roses its being propped up by WA and QLD withou the mining boom we would be farked and thats a fact even Swanny admitted it.

CMC
CMC
QLD
3954 posts
CMC CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
6 Jul 2012 8:58am
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

The mining boom is a double edged sword. Sure it's propping up the economy but the rapid influx of funds into the economy is crippling the non mining economy at the same time.

Imports are at their cheapest rates, people are buying everything on line from the states something that before was not quite as viable. The exchange rate at Parody rather than .75 or thereabouts where it should be makes it more attractive. Retail is screwed due to this.

Manufacturers can no longer export as they are now too expensive, couple that increased local competition amongst domestic competition and the cheap imports coupled with a work force chasing the coin in the mines and this industry is in trouble.

Tourism: too expensive to come here now, go to Greece. Cheapest holiday right now.

With labour shortages and increased costs to resources from Australia big companies like Rio Tinto are already investing elsewhere, the Chinese are also investing in the development of mining operations in cheaper countries to ensure their own supply for the future.

What happens when it all ends???
lightwood
lightwood
VIC
392 posts
VIC, 392 posts
6 Jul 2012 9:18am
Little jon are you just trolling?

Wealthy people don't pay GST and now companys that are droping like flys are still not paying enough tax. Surely your trolling, no ones that stupid.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
6 Jul 2012 10:44am
Little Jon said...

me thinks businesses are grossly undertaxed, about time those bludgers started pulling their weight


Sounds like you're mistaking "businesses" with corporate companies. You'll probably find that many employees chasing the mining dollars once owned small businesses, but due to the 'over-taxing' and related costs have thrown in the towel to chase the 'easy-money' (that will prob start a whole other argument) to get back what has been lost/taken.

As for bludgers, I don't know any personally, but I know a few business owners that work 80+ hours a week on minimum wages to keep their businesses afloat and their employees in jobs. They could call it quits easily & declare bankruptcy, but don't want to be the cause of their employees being unemployed and there's also an element of pride where the humiliation of 'failure' would cripple them mentally.

Little Jon said...

Most homeless have mental health problems


As do many people that have tried self-employment (business-owners) and been beaten-down by rising taxes & costs.
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