Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..
You must be on a different planet if you think your under capacity chinese battery (tested with a equally dodgy chinese tester) is more relevant or important than "imagined" human rights violations. Where actual peoples are getting wrecked and thrown in hard labour camps.

If you had been less of a tight arse and bought batteries from your local shop, then you would have been able to just take it straight back, instead of whining on a forum. Yes, they would have still been chinese batteries of coarse, but better traceability back to the brand.

One day, one may compare favorably how Chinese treat their minorities to those that treat their indigenous people. You may not really want to go this path ...unless you seat on another planet and not be aware of injustice here and somewhere....
I am warning you. You don't want to go this path because one day Chinse may ask you why the right full owners of the richest in resources land on this planet could not afford their mobile phones and those that try face prison time ( as Telstra case recently illustrate)

LOL, thanks for the warning. I'm quite happy to follow your two-wrongs-make-a-right logic (apparently). Where if everyone does dodgy stuff, then everyone has to ignore the dodgy stuff.

So in your logic, one may only raise a concern if you have a perfect track record. So if I can find one crappy product that Aus has sold to China, then you won't be allowed to ask for the battery refund anymore? Is that how it works?

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..
You must be on a different planet if you think your under capacity chinese battery (tested with a equally dodgy chinese tester) is more relevant or important than "imagined" human rights violations. Where actual peoples are getting wrecked and thrown in hard labour camps.

If you had been less of a tight arse and bought batteries from your local shop, then you would have been able to just take it straight back, instead of whining on a forum. Yes, they would have still been chinese batteries of coarse, but better traceability back to the brand.

One day, one may compare favorably how Chinese treat their minorities to those that treat their indigenous people. You may not really want to go this path ...unless you seat on another planet and not be aware of injustice here and somewhere....
I am warning you. You don't want to go this path because one day Chinse may ask you why the right full owners of the richest in resources land on this planet could not afford their mobile phones and those that try face prison time ( as Telstra case recently illustrate)

LOL, thanks for the warning. I'm quite happy to follow your two-wrongs-make-a-right logic (apparently). Where if everyone does dodgy stuff, then everyone has to ignore the dodgy stuff.

So in your logic, one may only raise a concern if you have a perfect track record. So if I can find one crappy product that Aus has sold to China, then you won't be allowed to ask for the battery refund anymore? Is that how it works?

I am afraid that cheap Chinese fake batteries are sold here in Australia by unscrupulous Australians!
I almost could guarantee you the every listing on eBay of lithium battery to power tools consist of only fake batteries.
This is what worry me the most. We are so used to this fake that nobody bother anymore...

Same with most solar panels, specifically in semi flexible range. I bought onw 350W 12v that hardly produce 1/3 at full sun.



Maybe we need to wait for our Consumer Commerce Commissions to back from quarantine after Covid finishes ?

I am guilty of this as well, but MAYBE you need to read the sellers ratings BEFORE buying from them? To be fair I have bought from dodgy sellers in the past and only checked their poor ratings after the fact.

FormulaNova said..

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..
You must be on a different planet if you think your under capacity chinese battery (tested with a equally dodgy chinese tester) is more relevant or important than "imagined" human rights violations. Where actual peoples are getting wrecked and thrown in hard labour camps.

If you had been less of a tight arse and bought batteries from your local shop, then you would have been able to just take it straight back, instead of whining on a forum. Yes, they would have still been chinese batteries of coarse, but better traceability back to the brand.

One day, one may compare favorably how Chinese treat their minorities to those that treat their indigenous people. You may not really want to go this path ...unless you seat on another planet and not be aware of injustice here and somewhere....
I am warning you. You don't want to go this path because one day Chinse may ask you why the right full owners of the richest in resources land on this planet could not afford their mobile phones and those that try face prison time ( as Telstra case recently illustrate)

LOL, thanks for the warning. I'm quite happy to follow your two-wrongs-make-a-right logic (apparently). Where if everyone does dodgy stuff, then everyone has to ignore the dodgy stuff.

So in your logic, one may only raise a concern if you have a perfect track record. So if I can find one crappy product that Aus has sold to China, then you won't be allowed to ask for the battery refund anymore? Is that how it works?

I am afraid that cheap Chinese fake batteries are sold here in Australia by unscrupulous Australians!
I almost could guarantee you the every listing on eBay of lithium battery to power tools consist of only fake batteries.
This is what worry me the most. We are so used to this fake that nobody bother anymore...

Same with most solar panels, specifically in semi flexible range. I bought onw 350W 12v that hardly produce 1/3 at full sun.



Maybe we need to wait for our Consumer Commerce Commissions to back from quarantine after Covid finishes ?

I am guilty of this as well, but MAYBE you need to read the sellers ratings BEFORE buying from them? To be fair I have bought from dodgy sellers in the past and only checked their poor ratings after the fact.

The problem is that negative feedback doesn't prevent sellers from selling the same fake items to new customers again and again.Problem was solved long time ago and shops and other retailers are strictly forbidden from selling 1kg sugar pack consisting of only 400g inside.Or Cola 1 liter bottle with only few sips at the bottom.If you take on another hand AMAZON>COM>AU there is hardly any fake battery for Ryobi.IBTW. I just received offer from my RYOBI battery seller on eBay - discount of $30 and keep the item? Should I accept this offer and shut up? Obviously fair discount for Ah supplied should be at least $42,20.
If we, Australians stands by moral standards - the fairness, honesty should be one of that on top priorities.Freedom of religious beliefs ( in third countries) could take steps below that.
BTW.Chinese make big mistake allowing few scumbacks to make bad name to whole nation of hard working people , producing constantly generally acceptable quality goods.Even worse is eBay standing that promote and accept everyday theft and scum on their pages. Not something you could expect from Switzerland based corporation.

Macroscien said..

FormulaNova said..

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..
You must be on a different planet if you think your under capacity chinese battery (tested with a equally dodgy chinese tester) is more relevant or important than "imagined" human rights violations. Where actual peoples are getting wrecked and thrown in hard labour camps.

If you had been less of a tight arse and bought batteries from your local shop, then you would have been able to just take it straight back, instead of whining on a forum. Yes, they would have still been chinese batteries of coarse, but better traceability back to the brand.

One day, one may compare favorably how Chinese treat their minorities to those that treat their indigenous people. You may not really want to go this path ...unless you seat on another planet and not be aware of injustice here and somewhere....
I am warning you. You don't want to go this path because one day Chinse may ask you why the right full owners of the richest in resources land on this planet could not afford their mobile phones and those that try face prison time ( as Telstra case recently illustrate)

LOL, thanks for the warning. I'm quite happy to follow your two-wrongs-make-a-right logic (apparently). Where if everyone does dodgy stuff, then everyone has to ignore the dodgy stuff.

So in your logic, one may only raise a concern if you have a perfect track record. So if I can find one crappy product that Aus has sold to China, then you won't be allowed to ask for the battery refund anymore? Is that how it works?

I am afraid that cheap Chinese fake batteries are sold here in Australia by unscrupulous Australians!
I almost could guarantee you the every listing on eBay of lithium battery to power tools consist of only fake batteries.
This is what worry me the most. We are so used to this fake that nobody bother anymore...

Same with most solar panels, specifically in semi flexible range. I bought onw 350W 12v that hardly produce 1/3 at full sun.



Maybe we need to wait for our Consumer Commerce Commissions to back from quarantine after Covid finishes ?

I am guilty of this as well, but MAYBE you need to read the sellers ratings BEFORE buying from them? To be fair I have bought from dodgy sellers in the past and only checked their poor ratings after the fact.

The problem is that negative feedback doesn't prevent sellers from selling the same fake items to new customers again and again.Problem was solved long time ago and shops and other retailers are strictly forbidden from selling 1kg sugar pack consisting of only 400g inside.Or Cola 1 liter bottle with only few sips at the bottom.If you take on another hand AMAZON>COM>AU there is hardly any fake battery for Ryobi.IBTW. I just received offer from my RYOBI battery seller on eBay - discount of $30 and keep the item? Should I accept this offer and shut up? Obviously fair discount for Ah supplied should be at least $42,20.
If we, Australians stands by moral standards - the fairness, honesty should be one of that on top priorities.Freedom of religious beliefs ( in third countries) could take steps below that.
BTW.Chinese make big mistake allowing few scumbacks to make bad name to whole nation of hard working people , producing constantly generally acceptable quality goods.Even worse is eBay standing that promote and accept everyday theft and scum on their pages. Not something you could expect from Switzerland based corporation.

ebay is a marketplace. If you don't understand how the feedback system is meant to work, don't use it. If you are too lazy to check the feedback, don't use it or don't buy anything, or don't be bothered when you buy fakes.

If you want genuine Ryobi, buy from Bunnings.

Ebay does protect purchases through paypal. Use it or not, but don't blame ebay for letting you buy cheaper stuff that you probably know is fake anyway. If you are genuinely surprised it is fake, get your complete refund and be more vigilant in future.

Somehow I feel that a china/usa war will be started by you and a poor choice when using ebay.

FormulaNova said..

Macroscien said..

FormulaNova said..

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..

Macroscien said..

PrfctChaos said..
You must be on a different planet if you think your under capacity chinese battery (tested with a equally dodgy chinese tester) is more relevant or important than "imagined" human rights violations. Where actual peoples are getting wrecked and thrown in hard labour camps.

If you had been less of a tight arse and bought batteries from your local shop, then you would have been able to just take it straight back, instead of whining on a forum. Yes, they would have still been chinese batteries of coarse, but better traceability back to the brand.

One day, one may compare favorably how Chinese treat their minorities to those that treat their indigenous people. You may not really want to go this path ...unless you seat on another planet and not be aware of injustice here and somewhere....
I am warning you. You don't want to go this path because one day Chinse may ask you why the right full owners of the richest in resources land on this planet could not afford their mobile phones and those that try face prison time ( as Telstra case recently illustrate)

LOL, thanks for the warning. I'm quite happy to follow your two-wrongs-make-a-right logic (apparently). Where if everyone does dodgy stuff, then everyone has to ignore the dodgy stuff.

So in your logic, one may only raise a concern if you have a perfect track record. So if I can find one crappy product that Aus has sold to China, then you won't be allowed to ask for the battery refund anymore? Is that how it works?

I am afraid that cheap Chinese fake batteries are sold here in Australia by unscrupulous Australians!
I almost could guarantee you the every listing on eBay of lithium battery to power tools consist of only fake batteries.
This is what worry me the most. We are so used to this fake that nobody bother anymore...

Same with most solar panels, specifically in semi flexible range. I bought onw 350W 12v that hardly produce 1/3 at full sun.



Maybe we need to wait for our Consumer Commerce Commissions to back from quarantine after Covid finishes ?

I am guilty of this as well, but MAYBE you need to read the sellers ratings BEFORE buying from them? To be fair I have bought from dodgy sellers in the past and only checked their poor ratings after the fact.

The problem is that negative feedback doesn't prevent sellers from selling the same fake items to new customers again and again.Problem was solved long time ago and shops and other retailers are strictly forbidden from selling 1kg sugar pack consisting of only 400g inside.Or Cola 1 liter bottle with only few sips at the bottom.If you take on another hand AMAZON>COM>AU there is hardly any fake battery for Ryobi.IBTW. I just received offer from my RYOBI battery seller on eBay - discount of $30 and keep the item? Should I accept this offer and shut up? Obviously fair discount for Ah supplied should be at least $42,20.
If we, Australians stands by moral standards - the fairness, honesty should be one of that on top priorities.Freedom of religious beliefs ( in third countries) could take steps below that.
BTW.Chinese make big mistake allowing few scumbacks to make bad name to whole nation of hard working people , producing constantly generally acceptable quality goods.Even worse is eBay standing that promote and accept everyday theft and scum on their pages. Not something you could expect from Switzerland based corporation.

ebay is a marketplace. If you don't understand how the feedback system is meant to work, don't use it. If you are too lazy to check the feedback, don't use it or don't buy anything, or don't be bothered when you buy fakes.

If you want genuine Ryobi, buy from Bunnings.

Ebay does protect purchases through paypal. Use it or not, but don't blame ebay for letting you buy cheaper stuff that you probably know is fake anyway. If you are genuinely surprised it is fake, get your complete refund and be more vigilant in future.

Somehow I feel that a china/usa war will be started by you and a poor choice when using ebay.

The problem is that Bunning rip you off on battery for tools in day light already !!! More the Chinese ever can !!!
you pay 18v x 5ah = 90Wh
1000/90=11.11
11.11 x $149 = $1,639 per 1 Kwh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i
battery storage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I build my lithium battery storage for my electric ATV it cost me less the $200 per 1 kwh !!
Tesla claim their cost below $100 per kwh and aim for $50/kwh for storage facilities.

Bunnings charge you in first place 10X more that battery is worth in first place !!!!

that possibly apply to all brands all around from Milwaukee to Ozito.

Bunnings needs to fix their price in first place before we go there to buy their batteries !!!!!!!!

I am not going to pay them $1,639 per kwh if I could DIY for less then $200. But I can not simply do everything mysellt.
I want to go and buy stuff at fair price.
BTW. For those interested in topic Lithium battery cell , at quality 2170 format 4000mAh .3.7V cost only $0.70 bulk price so you need six of those to build decent RYOBI 16V bank.BTW . If Bunnings is not in Chinese hands by any chance ??

Macroscien said..

BTW. For those interested in topic Lithium battery cell , at quality 2170 format 4000mAh .3.7V cost only $0.70 bulk price so you need six of those to build decent RYOBI 16V bank.BTW . If Bunnings is not in Chinese hands by any chance ??

As if that's true! Where can you get 2170 4000mAh lithium batteries for $1500? I think you are making that up!

... this thread sounds like a bunch of (insert any minority group/country oppressed in the last 80 years) whingeing about the US.

FormulaNova said..

Macroscien said..

BTW. For those interested in topic Lithium battery cell , at quality 2170 format 4000mAh .3.7V cost only $0.70 bulk price so you need six of those to build decent RYOBI 16V bank.BTW . If Bunnings is not in Chinese hands by any chance ??

As if that's true! Where can you get 2170 4000mAh lithium batteries for $1500? I think you are making that up!

six of those battery cells will be good enough to make perfect Ryobi battery 18v 4Ah.


Lets see how much cost 1kwh of those cells:

3.7 v x 4 Ah = 14.8 wh
1000 / 14.8 = 68 cells
68 cell * $0.70 = $ 47.6
$47 per kwh ! seems a bit too good to be true ( but close to $2 cost the best quality cells on the market )

Macroscien said..

FormulaNova said..

Macroscien said..

BTW. For those interested in topic Lithium battery cell , at quality 2170 format 4000mAh .3.7V cost only $0.70 bulk price so you need six of those to build decent RYOBI 16V bank.BTW . If Bunnings is not in Chinese hands by any chance ??

As if that's true! Where can you get 2170 4000mAh lithium batteries for $1500? I think you are making that up!

six of those battery cells will be good enough to make perfect Ryobi battery 18v 4Ah.


Lets see how much cost 1kwh of those cells:

3.7 v x 4 Ah = 14.8 wh
1000 / 14.8 = 68 cells
68 cell * $0.70 = $ 47.6
$47 per kwh ! seems a bit too good to be true ( but close to $2 cost the best quality cells on the market )

You seem to be using the wrong price there for your quantity.
How do we know if these cells are legit?