What evidence do you have that they are "running goats"? There are wild goats all over this state, in quite large numbers in places. There are also foxes, rabbits, cats, dogs, etc, etc. Do you have the same problem with people down south "running rabbits" on their farms in the cape-to-cape area? Is it their responsibility?

It'd be pretty hard to eradicate goats, and wouldn't bring much monetary value I would think (if any. In fact I'd think it'd be a big cost to employ professional shooters). And what does a leaseholder do? If they rid their property, within months goats from neighbouring properties will invade.

Legion said...

What evidence do you have that they are "running goats"? There are wild goats all over this state, in quite large numbers in places. There are also foxes, rabbits, cats, dogs, etc, etc. Do you have the same problem with people down south "running rabbits" on their farms in the cape-to-cape area? Is it their responsibility?

It'd be pretty hard to eradicate goats, and wouldn't bring much monetary value I would think (if any. In fact I'd think it'd be a big cost to employ professional shooters). And what does a leaseholder do? If they rid their property, within months goats from neighbouring properties will invade.

A good post with some good questions that I will endeavor to answer . Most pastoral leases in the Upper Murchison and Gascoyne have diversified into running feral or rangeland goats since 2003 .In the last 10 years this area has suffered well below rainfall which is not conducive to keeping sheep at an optimum number per hectare. A sheeps diet differs from a goats diet . While sheep eat grass, buffel etc goats eat everything , 80 percent of their diet is browsed which means the fragile natives cop . Go and visit Ningaloo station drive north of the homestead and see for your self the aftermath of land that has been intentionally overgrazed by an irresponsible leaseholder and even worse done with impunity. People of the land must diversify when faced with on going poor seasonal conditions. The leaseholders adjacent to Ningaloo Marine Park are very lucky to be able to diversify into tourism . The financial benifits enjoyed by these lucky few . Running stock is not the primary consideration .possibly stock would be the furthest thing from their minds . Goats don't need any looking after and I believe that Gnaraloo and Quobba do a muster twice a year and are sent down to Geraldton for live export. The money they get for the goats is no where near enough to balance out the destruction they cause to the environment. These people are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from tourism and still choose to run vermin on their leases . The law needs to be changed to protect the terrestrial side of the park.

Leprechaun said...

These people ... choose to run vermin on their leases.

I don't think there's any choice in the matter. We had rats in the roof earlier this year when the neighbours decided to knock down their house. We didn't choose to have them and it was a PITA to get rid of them. Initially I thought we had mice because one found it's way into the kitchen. Put out some mice traps and twice one went off but no mouse and just a spot of blood. One night I was up late watching something on TV and snap! off goes the mouse trap. I went to have a look and it was a decent sized rat, but the mouse trap had obviously only stunned it. I quickly got together a plastic bag and scooped it up just as it was beginning to come back to life. Rat started squealing and squirming as I picked up his warm body so I was just in time. I took him outside and squashed his head in with a 6" x 2".

Anyway, I digress. The point is, you don't choose to run vermin, and controlling them is nigh on impossible. It would require an Australia-wide approach and would still fail. A bit like controlling cane toads.

The best idea would be to introduce lions. Once the lions eat all the goats, introduce polar bears. Once the polar bears eat all the lions global warming should kill them off.

I suspect they also run feral flies! Lot of them there!

westozwind said...

Why do we need "Part 2"
Did'nt you like the replies in you're first post?
Just a reminder, you can find it here:-

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Ningaloo-Marine-Park/

Don't feed the trolls.

I thought the thread was getting too many misinformed comments with no substance and it's happening already to this one . Please make a comment on what I have written , drifting off subject and trying to twist things around doesent work in writing. Stick too the facts !

felixdcat said...

Well..... mmmmm... lets get that topic closed......
What you morons can't understand about the greatest conspiracy ever? Building 7 was an inside job..... the feral goats got deported to Malaysia and they could not get the high comish to the goats rights commission to blabla blahhhh........ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......

A top of the morning to ya Felix , hey you haven't even put forward any input on this subject yet and you want to get rid of it. Man talking about protecting our beautiful coast and you start on some wacko conspiracy theory , WHY? . And with feral goats going to Malaysia the method of transport is exported not deported.if your going to be a troll ,leprechauns eat trolls for breakfast .......................And the rest of the day too yourself ,

Quick question...anyone here bagged themselves a goat while around the RB Gnaraloo area?

Been tempted so many times, especially when we ran out of food
Goat curry....nom nom nom nom

Hahaha. We had this one goat that kept breaking into our shack/hutt and ****ing our 5hit up...we build barriers and all but the bastard still got in. I was VERY tempted to slot it and cook it up. I was sick of eating fish by that point in the trip.

My mate had a knife at the ready and that look in his eyes...he is a Saffer after all

Maybe next time I'm up there I will. I've even most other land animals on this continent...why not a goat?

Chris6791 said...

"stick to the facts", you just need to get the fundamentals of your case in order before we can attempt to have a half decent discussion on the topic.

Stick too the facts , whose facts ? I have given this thread all the facts as I see them in my honest and learned opinion. Let me read the facts in your honest opinion , is it possible for you to string 500 words together of the facts . I shall wait with bated breath .

doggie said...

^^ Hind leg is best, wrap it in alfoil and dig a hole put the leg in, put some sand over the top and then build a fire (KLF) over the top of it and cook for a couple of hours.

nom nom nom nom.
I spent 6 months swagging through Martu land in the Pilbara a few years back, working for SBS. The amount of perfectly cooked meat I got to consume was out of this world.
See a Roo? BOOM! Dinner will be ready in an hour.

subasurf said...

doggie said...

^^ Hind leg is best, wrap it in alfoil and dig a hole put the leg in, put some sand over the top and then build a fire (KLF) over the top of it and cook for a couple of hours.

nom nom nom nom.
I spent 6 months swagging through Martu land in the Pilbara a few years back, working for SBS. The amount of perfectly cooked meat I got to consume was out of this world.
See a Roo? BOOM! Dinner will be ready in an hour.

Yea roo is awesome when its that fresh

Why arnt you surfing?

^^ Never eaten one, taste like chicken?

Chris6791 said...

Leprechaun said...

Chris6791 said...

"stick to the facts", you just need to get the fundamentals of your case in order before we can attempt to have a half decent discussion on the topic.

Too be sure too be sure , you just don't get it do you ? Ok I'll humor you just this once . If the fundamentals of my" case "as you refer it is out of order , could you please for the 2nd time now help me get my "case" back in order . I'm pretty sure and almost certain that 500 words from you on rangeland goats and irresponsible leaseholders . ....................Does WE denote you are compromised ,or are receiving financial gain from the farming of feral / rangeland goats ?


Stick too the facts , whose facts ? I have given this thread all the facts as I see them in my honest and learned opinion. Let me read the facts in your honest opinion , is it possible for you to string 500 words together of the facts . I shall wait with bated breath .

Pretty sure i've provided evidence that there are no pastoral leases in the ningaloo world heritage area, secondly if there is a feral goat problem in the ningaloo marine park we have real problems.

Chris6791 said...

"stick to the facts", you just need to get the fundamentals of your case in order before we can attempt to have a half decent discussion on the topic.

Please Chris can you help me get the fundementals of my case in order ?. I'm starting to second guess myself ,backtracking into my "case" so you and I can have a half decent disscussion .

Chris6791 said...

hobbies, one quite high on the list is getting my high powered rifle out and killing vermin on farming/pastoral land.

Pity they restrict us to farming/pastoral land, huh?