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Office Chair as Tax Deduction?

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Created by evlPanda > 9 months ago, 8 May 2014
evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
8 May 2014 3:44PM
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Obviously in a home office, or your own office this is a deductible item.

But if I buy one to use in my cubicle farm at work? It seems it is in the spirit of the law.

Basically I've had it with these ****ing piece of **** chairs they provide us. My posture is terrible because of them. I'm sizing up a Herman Miller Aeron. Physiotherapy is fixing a decade of bad chairs.

Thinking about a mechanical keyboard too.

So, are office expenses deductible when it's not your office?

(On a side note I think everyone should consider physiotherapy just because. I feel like a new person. I fit in my skin again.)

Mobydisc
NSW, 9017 posts
8 May 2014 4:09PM
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Talk to your accountant but it sounds reasonable enough to buy a chair you use at work. If you ever were audited the auditor would have to be quite mean to say no to such a deduction. However there is probably some rule saying you can't claim the purchase price of some equipment as a deduction if your employer provides the equipment. It probably takes about two volumes of the tax act to explain this. So talk to your accountant.

Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
8 May 2014 4:10PM
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Yep, definitely...Chair and keyboard...so long as you don't then also claim it as an expense with your employer.

Underoath
QLD, 2429 posts
8 May 2014 4:44PM
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Yes..

Division 8 of ITAA 1997 deals with deductions.

s.8-1 GENERAL DEDUCTIONS
Provides that a loss or an outgoing is allowed as a deduction to the extent that it is:

s.8-1(1) POSITIVE LIMBS (Must be either:)
1)Incurred in gaining or producing your assessable Income
2)Necessarily incurred in carrying on a business for the purposes of gaining or producing assessable income.

s.8-1(2) NEGATIVE LIMBS (Cannot be any of the following:)
Outgoing is CAPITAL in nature (3 Tests s.8-1(2)(a))
O/g is of PRIVATE or DOMESTIC nature (only relevant to individuals)
O/g is incurred in producing EXEMPT income (i.e. prevent competition)
O/g is prevented by a provision of the ITAA







Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
8 May 2014 5:05PM
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Underoath said..
Yes..
s.8-1(1) POSITIVE LIMBS (Must be either:)1)Incurred in gaining or producing your assessable Income



So, why then can I not claim my suits, shirts, ties, shoes and vehicle all of which I only use to arrive at and appear in the office in order to earn my salary?!??!

Scoob
WA, 88 posts
8 May 2014 3:28PM
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Cambodge said..

Underoath said..
Yes..
s.8-1(1) POSITIVE LIMBS (Must be either:)1)Incurred in gaining or producing your assessable Income



So, why then can I not claim my suits, shirts, ties, shoes and vehicle all of which I only use to arrive at and appear in the office in order to earn my salary?!??!



Get a corporate logo embroidered on them. Preferably not your competitors.


Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
8 May 2014 5:29PM
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I swap my chair with an exercise ball on a regular basis.

myusernam
QLD, 6053 posts
8 May 2014 5:41PM
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whohoo free tax advice.
Can i claim speeding tickets (while working)
fridge in my car because I travel a lot and my car is a tool of trade at 90%

Underoath
QLD, 2429 posts
8 May 2014 5:51PM
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whohoo free tax advice.
Can i claim speeding tickets (while working)
fridge in my car because I travel a lot and my car is a tool of trade at 90%


Penalties and Fines
Non deductible under s.26-5 ITAA 1997

Underoath
QLD, 2429 posts
8 May 2014 5:55PM
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Cambodge said..


Underoath said..
Yes..
s.8-1(1) POSITIVE LIMBS (Must be either:)1)Incurred in gaining or producing your assessable Income




So, why then can I not claim my suits, shirts, ties, shoes and vehicle all of which I only use to arrive at and appear in the office in order to earn my salary?!??!


You can claim for a uniform, either compulsory or non-compulsory, that is unique and distinctive to the organisation you work for.

Clothing is unique if it has been designed and made only for the employer.

Clothing is distinctive if it has the employer's logo permanently attached and the clothing is not available to the public.You can't claim the cost of purchasing or cleaning a plain uniform.

whippingboy
WA, 1104 posts
8 May 2014 4:01PM
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Yay for company logo Polo shirts (they're pretty popular at the top of the terrace),
Shirt $25, Cleaning $250

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
8 May 2014 4:41PM
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I swap my chair with an exercise ball on a regular basis.


A lot off places ban them due to the OSH risk of injury if they burst...

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
8 May 2014 6:45PM
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Evl I just happened to take some pics of my desk yesterday. Monitors & keyboard supplied by company.
The rest supplied by me & all successfully tax deducted over a few years (haven't been audited though!)

Chair - www.officeworks.com.au/
Get a good chair - best money you'll ever spend - you're in it 40hrs per week!!
Pay the extra $15 at officeworks for 3 year warranty. Return after 2 (*something* will be broken by then), instant exchange for new one.

M570 trackball
Razer Orbweaver stealth (mechanical keys) programmed w. 120 Autocad commands
3Dconnexion 6-axis mouse
Some personal software licences
Headphones
Phone dock

Pitbull
WA, 1266 posts
8 May 2014 4:51PM
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Evl

See your OHS officer for an assessment for your requirements. The company you work for should accommodate and supply you with the correct chair best suited to your needs.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
8 May 2014 7:28PM
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KB - your monitors are too low unless you're a midget.

Advice I was given after starting to suffer from back issues was "monitor(s) should be up so that your eyes are level with 1/3rd from the top of the screen.

Got a trackball also and have wondered about buying the razer keypad but not sure if I'd 'get it'?

Mahanumah
VIC, 336 posts
8 May 2014 8:13PM
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Pitbull said..

Evl

See your OHS officer for an assessment for your requirements. The company you work for should accommodate and supply you with the correct chair best suited to your needs.


This is the best advice you've had so far. If your chair is a HSR risk then write the risk assessment. Once you have lodged the risk assessment (with OHS/HR) they have no choice but to rectify the problem.

myusernam
QLD, 6053 posts
8 May 2014 8:13PM
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your work are tightwads. If you spend 40 hours plus at a desk making them serious bank than they can shell out for a few wafers of comfort. expense it. If craig thompson can chalk up hookers as a legitimite work related expense (fkn ledgend) then you might be entitled to a chair due to problems with your lordosis/ preventative health issue.

Poida
WA, 1908 posts
8 May 2014 6:44PM
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i know this is not tax advice, but all serious desk jockeys could try this to help their core fitness . not sure of the tax deduction, the youtube one is free, but your problems are partly caused by desk, computer and couch


myusernam
QLD, 6053 posts
8 May 2014 8:56PM
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i like the mckenzie method.
www.physio-pedia.com/Mckenzie_Method

lordosis. and plenty of hand releif.

FormulaNova
WA, 13899 posts
8 May 2014 7:19PM
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Mahanumah said..

Pitbull said..

Evl

See your OHS officer for an assessment for your requirements. The company you work for should accommodate and supply you with the correct chair best suited to your needs.


This is the best advice you've had so far. If your chair is a HSR risk then write the risk assessment. Once you have lodged the risk assessment (with OHS/HR) they have no choice but to rectify the problem.




I think it depends on the company. I once worked for a Vone company and the manager wanted me to sit at a shared desk that could accommodate 2 people, but had 8 people at it. I sent a question to HR about it, and nothing got done... Well, not straight away, but a month later they were building new desks... Hmmm come to think of it now, maybe they did listen

FormulaNova
WA, 13899 posts
8 May 2014 7:22PM
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evlPanda said..

Thinking about a mechanical keyboard too.



What other kind is there?

Do you mean something apart from the scrabble tiles that seem to come on a lot of laptops these days instead of keyboards?

Am I the only one that has to a do a lot of typing for work and hates those things with a passion? I chose my laptop based on the keyboard as much as anything else, and only buy keyboards if I can practice typing on them to make sure they actually have some 'feel'.

Similarly I used to insist on trinitron screens, but LCDs now are awesome.

Harrow
NSW, 4470 posts
8 May 2014 10:59PM
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My new work chair was absolutely wrecking my back, and they refused to let me have a different one because it wouldn't match the others. WTF? I'm in a design office that doesn't have customers coming in.

After a few weeks I informed them in writing that every Wednesday I would be applying for workers comp because my back was a mess after sitting in the chair Mon and Tue. Twenty minutes later, someone came to my desk with keys to a car and told me to go and get myself a new chair.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
9 May 2014 12:34PM
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Harrow said..

My new work chair was absolutely wrecking my back, and they refused to let me have a different one because it wouldn't match the others. WTF? I'm in a design office that doesn't have customers coming in.

After a few weeks I informed them in writing that every Wednesday I would be applying for workers comp because my back was a mess after sitting in the chair Mon and Tue. Twenty minutes later, someone came to my desk with keys to a car and told me to go and get myself a new chair.



Me too. When I first arrived they'd redecored the office and the new chairs sucked. I could feel my back going tense after just 30 minutes. Me and a colleague found a whole bunch of really good chairs from a lower floor being thrown out, so we replaced our new one with one of those.

The lady responsible for redecorating caught us and berated us like we were school children. She said I could swap chairs if I got a doctor's note, to which I replied it was a bit late by that stage. Welcome to Sydney where all the weirdos live.

I waited a few weeks and then snuck the better chair in, but it still sucks. Everything is too small.

Good to see I'm not the only that realised I spend more time in this chair than I do with my wife, and it's worth paying for quality (the chair, not my wife (paying not the quality (oh god I'm just making it worse and worse))).

sn
WA, 2772 posts
9 May 2014 12:06PM
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evlPanda said..

, and it's worth paying for quality (the chair, not my wife (paying not the quality (oh god I'm just making it worse and worse))).


digging yourself in deeper and deeper......betcha don't let your missus read over your shoulder!

stephen

Scoob
WA, 88 posts
9 May 2014 12:17PM
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Set myself up in an efficient and ergonomic workstation. Highly productive environment where everything is within reach.

After four years of use, it is no longer efficient or productive. It's the mental hell experienced by battery hens.

Am looking into setting up a standing workstation, where I have to move, step sideways, bend down etc to keep the blood moving.

The only people I found who sell stand up workstations are high end swanky importers of Scandinavian fair trade ethical free range furniture.

There is a gaping void in the market.

Stand up for your health and demand a new workstation.

Harrow
NSW, 4470 posts
9 May 2014 2:42PM
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evlPanda said..I waited a few weeks and then snuck the better chair in, but it still sucks. Everything is too small.

Ha, had a similar thing a couple of weeks ago. We just moved to a new office, and I had the whole chair thing all over again, but I actually had taken my other new chair home on the train the day we vacated the office, and after a few weeks, had to sneak it past the decor Nazi's. Geez, we get the mushroom treatment anyway these days, so why they care I will never understand.

bjhjames
QLD, 172 posts
9 May 2014 2:48PM
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Has been my industry for 25 + years.

A lot of research is going on around the world at the moment as to the value of sit stand desking solutions.

Google "sitting is the new smoking" to view some typical research results.

Fad or the future standard we won't know for about five years but there is a continual stream of new products becoming available.

They will always be a more expensive option due to the cost of the mechanism to drive user ability. Typical corporates installations are now supplying approx 10% of new stations as user sit stand.

If they see real benefits, that will grow. At this stage the multi floor offices I have installed, most people don't use it, to lazy to stand up, even if its doing them good.

Guess thats why half the world still smokes even they know its killing them.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
10 May 2014 11:09AM
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Sailhack said..

KB - your monitors are too low unless you're a midget.

Advice I was given after starting to suffer from back issues was "monitor(s) should be up so that your eyes are level with 1/3rd from the top of the screen.

Got a trackball also and have wondered about buying the razer keypad but not sure if I'd 'get it'?



Low - yes I agree. I am not a midget but I do have the chair as low as it goes, and subscribe to this:

www.lumoback.com/2013/08/upright-or-reclined-neutral-spine/
It just feels right to me.
Plus I can then lean forward and see over my monitors at the highway/clouds etc in the distance - very important for eye health (I make sure I educate the bosses on eye health when caught gazing out the window.. ).

As for the trackball I find it great for my work, however I did make 2 mods that I couldn't be without. First is 2 packs of blue tack underneath to raise to a 45 degree angle with the trackball high. So my wrists are neutral. Also paper under the blue tack so it can slide on the desk, and a channel in it so I can still pop the ball out to clean the little rollers. Second is using the logitech software to make the 'button 4' or the index finger front button into the same as the wheel click. That way I can be holding that button easily while scrolling on the wheel - ie simultaneous pan & zoom - very important when drafting.

Razer keypad - I wouldn't be without it now. I have moved from Nostromo to Orbweaver about 6 months ago and love it. Nostromo on my home machine now. I have a cheat sheet, which you can see in pic above, but only look at it about once per day maybe. It just takes you away from being a left hand keyboard basher. I have lots of macros set up too so that for instance "save" sets UCS=w, visretain on, layer=0, then saves.
I started with one keymap and went from there, eased into it. I found the transition fairly easy, with the cheat sheet, but it did take some fiddle time to set up. I make that time back every day now though.
details inc my keymaps here
www.augi.com/forums/showthread.php?130491-Nostromo-2011


PS despite the health implications I would quit rather than stand 40hrs per week. What it gives to your heart/circulation/fitness it takes in the form of aching legs/feet, hemorrhoids/hernias & general fatigue etc. Ask your local check-out chick

Oh and my chair is not the exact one linked above, but similar. Chairs are something you can't buy online, you really have to go sit in all the contenders.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
10 May 2014 12:27PM
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Another saving grace for my back is placement of certain things in my office. I've placed items in my office (cordless phone cradle, water dispenser, certain reference docs) where, in order to get them, I have to leave my chair. It works out that on average, I'm out of my chair every 30 mins or so.

I think I'll have another look at that controller KD after reading through some comments on that linked thread, thanks. I'm at the stage where I've memorised a heap of hotkeys and shortcut keys for the cad software I use and the hand movements on the keyboard are beginning to bug me.

Harrow
NSW, 4470 posts
10 May 2014 5:08PM
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kiteboy dave said..
Low - yes I agree. I am not a midget but I do have the chair as low as it goes, and subscribe to this:

http://www.lumoback.com/2013/08/upright-or-reclined-neutral-spine/
It just feels right to me.

That's interesting, I like to sit in a similar fashion, with a chair that supports my lower back well. The OHS person at our workplace always use to hand out a sheet that showed all limbs, back, etc. at perfect 90 degree angles, and insisted I was sitting wrong. I used to argue what was so special about 90 degrees? They could never give me a sensible answer, spewing out some tripe about "everything is in alignment". Alignment with what, your set-square? I hate when people stick their head in the sand and insist on same mantra with no understanding why.

And it keeps you eyes a little further from the monitor which has to be a good thing.

Torch
WA, 521 posts
10 May 2014 3:29PM
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Ive got a sit stand desk at work, it has done wonders for my back.



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