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Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
11 Jun 2008 3:44pm
walshd said...

Yeh the justice system is a load of crap!

If you got caught driving whilst disqualified, the court would go to town on ya.
Not to mention if they cought ya doing a wheelstand on the moto.

Then you have these little ba$tards stealing and breaking into cars, breaking into houses and garages, and they get a slap on the wrist!


Its kinda unfair, but a lot more people are killed on the road, than there are in house breakins etc.
It is easier to monitor stuff like speeding, as you are either speeding or not. Same as most driving rules. We might not like it, but i guess the plan is to keep us safer.
I do think the laws are a little easy on the crims though.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
11 Jun 2008 4:38pm
teabagg said...

CQKiter said...



As for your line, " 'there is nothing we can do about it, it's your word against theirs' ", an understanding of the rules of evidence needs to be taken into account. I find most Police slaggings due to a lack of action arise arising from a poor understanding of the rules of evidence allowed in a court of law. If you want to know in detail rules of evidence in relation to your matter PM me and I'll give you the full run down if you like.

Cheers.


ito front up to an officer of the police 'service' (as it should be known, instead of police 'force'), and be told that after witnessing a crime first hand, doing my civil duty of not taking the LAW into my own hands, but rather observe and pass all relavent information of this crime and its perpetrators onto this government system provided 'service', that its representitive dismiss me and my situation because, its my word against his... sends me the message that hey, maybe what they say is true about police being nothing more than revenue raising social order facists...




Teabagg you need to take the advice previously offered form some other poster: " I find most Police slaggings due to a lack of action arise arising from a poor understanding of the rules of evidence allowed in a court of law. If you want to know in detail rules of evidence in relation to your matter PM me and I'll give you the full run down if you like"


That is spot on. It is not the police's problem that your word vs the baddies is not believed in court. Magistrates won't accept it. Simple fact. Yes it is wrong but don't slag the coppers they have to work within the rules set by Govt which are then made worse by court rulings.

As for your stealing example, the little kid often HAS TO get a caution the LAW says they have to caution him the first time. Not the coppers fault.
Good on you for catching him but he can call you all the names under the sun and you can't hit him.




teabagg
teabagg
NSW
141 posts
NSW, 141 posts
11 Jun 2008 7:57pm
there is no truer axiom than the one my copper father use to say... 'those slagging the cops are always the ones that run to them the fastest when they need help'

unfortunetly they are the front line representation of an inherently corrupt and injust system of social control
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
11 Jun 2008 6:37pm
That is not what you said. You said that coppers were "nothing more than revenue raising social order facists" NOT that they were just the frontline of a poor system.
You also sooked about coppers cautioning a kid then saying they coud charge you for assaulting him (which you admit you did).... and sooked about the COPPER who told you they could not charge a person based on your word vs his. You didn't blame into the system, you took a shot at those who have to work within the system. Sounds like you are backpedalling to me. Remember to wear your helmet as you do so
teabagg
teabagg
NSW
141 posts
NSW, 141 posts
12 Jun 2008 2:03pm
Mark _australia said...

That is not what you said. You said that coppers were "nothing more than revenue raising social order facists" NOT that they were just the frontline of a poor system.
You also sooked about coppers cautioning a kid then saying they coud charge you for assaulting him (which you admit you did).... and sooked about the COPPER who told you they could not charge a person based on your word vs his. You didn't blame into the system, you took a shot at those who have to work within the system. Sounds like you are backpedalling to me. Remember to wear your helmet as you do so



no i said their actions send me the message that maybe they are.... and i will blame them, as they are the representation of this system, good friends of mine are coppers and i am constantly appalled by the stories they tell at our social gatherings of their actions and doulbe standards, and how all bar none are chomping at the bit to get their hands on a taser just to see someone 'go spastic on the ground'... it most def' is true what they say about giving a small man authority....
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