BulldogPup said...
gather those thoughts of the next working 5-10 years now mate - if you're pulling that pin get something cooking beforehand ..... thought of going on your own ie: your own biz?

I'm going to Tassie over xmas and then I have another job to do in January for a few weeks, after that I'm planning a fishing trip in WA.

Life is too short to get stressed out about working. I don't think I'll be on my death bed thinking, "oh I wish I spent my time working for those cheapskate outsourcers during the 2013 summer" Besides, it's not like it's real difficult for me to get a job in my field at the moment.

I may also use the time and get some Vietnamese or Ukranian company to make up a swisho website, complete with fake blog entries about programming etc. I'll even host it on AWS, so I can better sell myself in the new year.

There were some changes to the Living Away From Home Allowance recently that closed a few loopholes, making working here less lucrative for outsourced/offshored work.

^^^ Lol I bet that's exactly what Boomers said about Gen X

pierrec45 said...
You bet wrong, in the tech fields anyways - I checked with old-timers many times before, as I was curious about that too.
I heard your bet once from someone who didn't survive the first month of probation though.

Something "broke" at some point, before Y2k.
Saffer's description is simply right, and his 20-years-ago is about right too.
Technically, the y2k bubble-scam started around 1995, that's when employers started giving crazy conditions.
I had this kid fresh from uni the other day, referring to the y2k money he wanted to make. The lazy b... was not renewed for being below avg and still wanted to make $100/hr, yeah right.

They simply haven't understood that the y2k thing is gone.
Not clear on the concept, huh?

I think the other issue is kid used to do the cheap ass jobs which taught them an appreciation for earning a dollar. Now days there are thousands of cheap students prepared to do it and Aussie kids see the work as beneath them. "Frying chips at Maccers is something for the Asian's or Indians to do, not me!" without realising its not about what you earn, its about appreciating a hard day's work.

I blame the government oddly enough. You have a generation who has had it easy because everything has been given to them.

When I was young, Uni was a luxury you had to pay for out of your pocket or with a part time job while you were studying. No interest free loans. Psychiatrists have got involved in schools telling teachers its wrong to tell kids they are doing something wrong because you may hurt their feelings and because 1/1000000 may commit suicide when in reality we aren't really preparing them for the real world because they don't actually know what its like to fail and have to pick themselves off the ground. I honestly think a recession is the best thing that could happen to Gen Y, for the simple reason that they may gain an appreciation for what they had and swing a couple of the more distorted ones back into reality again.

I'm not trying to do the bleating heart "my generation had it tougher" speech, because every generation has it easier, but even if its easier, we still need to teach our kids the tough lessons about having to work and fight for what they want, starting at the bottom and having to pick themselves up after a fall. These days helicopter parenting is more about helping them up the ladder than letting them fall and helping them pick themselves up again.

Saffer said...
I think the other issue is kid used to do the cheap ass jobs which taught them an appreciation for earning a dollar. Now days there are thousands of cheap students prepared to do it and Aussie kids see the work as beneath them. "Frying chips at Maccers is something for the Asian's or Indians to do, not me!" without realising its not about what you earn, its about appreciating a hard day's work.

I don't think you appreciate what the average young Australian looks like these days; Asian or Indian.

I blame the government oddly enough. You have a generation who has had it easy because everything has been given to them.

When I was young...

...here we go.

..., Uni was a luxury you had to pay for out of your pocket or with a part time job while you were studying.

When I was (very) young it was free. Then it was ~$2000. Now it is deregulated.

No interest free loans.

Sure about that?

Psychiatrists have got involved in schools telling teachers its wrong to tell kids they are doing something wrong because you may hurt their feelings and because 1/1000000 may commit suicide when in reality we aren't really preparing them for the real world because they don't actually know what its like to fail and have to pick themselves off the ground.

LOL what? Where are these psychiatrists lurking and scheming and advising? I'd pit an average school kid these days against one from the 70's any time. Pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure.

I honestly think a recession is the best thing that could happen to Gen Y, for the simple reason that they may gain an appreciation for what they had and swing a couple of the more distorted ones back into reality again.

Perhaps. I'll admit they are an petty bunch sometimes. And what's with the fashion. Were we like that? (~1990 here).

I'm not trying to do the bleating heart "my generation had it tougher" speech, because every generation has it easier, but even if its easier, we still need to teach our kids the tough lessons about having to work and fight for what they want, starting at the bottom and having to pick themselves up after a fall.

You know I was having lunch with my aunty the other day. She mentioned how her dad took her to the Easter Show once, and spent the day's money on a very nice doll for her. It was some amount I couldn't really relate to; pounds and shillings and pence. So I asked for some clarification.

"You could buy a block of land for about that. [laughs all round]. Yep, you could buy a block of land for the same price as a doll."

I wonder if any of these kids going to uni will afford a house and one parent working. Easier eh?

(as an aside there was a good but sad reason he bought such an expensive toy)

These days helicopter parenting is more about helping them up the ladder than letting them fall and helping them pick themselves up again.

This I agree with.

So yeah/nah.

Take a look at any government department. 70% are imports.