I was unaware that registration of a vehicle and general use of public roads was linked.

My next door neighbour has a 1 year old dog that gets kept outside most of the time. It gets excited by just about anything. I figure that it must be fruit bats that have landed in the trees that it barks at at 3 in the morning.
It is just as annoying as any pudgy lycra lad causing a small delay in suburban traffic. But I suppose it carries registration, so that makes it alright

mkseven said..

what... a bicycle can take up a whole lane?
what other unregistered vehicles are even permitted on road?

Shane Warne and this guy feel the same way ....

i couldnt care less about fines etc, it appeals to the feel/do-gooders out there who probably deep down wish they were cops. Once the angry cyclists & angry motorists all armed with cams to make a point wipe each other out the roads will be nicer to use. Mr treddly is targeting joe citizen with cam & people will be fined here for not allowing 1m, i hope every driver fined takes it to court & appeals on the grounds that the roads were not designed with that in mind and due to flow of traffic it was not possible to move across any further.

I said at the start i ride & there are unsafe morons on both sides. 15 years ago i never copped abuse from a motorist, never had to worry bout 1m crap. But there has become a problem caused by cyclists (not all) which has raised alot of anger in motorists & since they are the ones easily identifiable they are the ones persecuted. For the record i cant remember holding up traffic by either keeping where people should ride or depending on the lights not trying to ride past everyone to front of cue, isnt this illegal on motorbikes?

There was another issue here recently which apparently the residents of street fixed where they got the sh!ts at lycra warriors congregating before dawn & waking them up.

We are over lawed & fined already, these additions are pointless when people should consider others.

BenKirk said..


1. They are legally allowed to do it
2. If they are in single file, tucked to the left people will not move out enough to overtake them (have you heard of the 1M law people are pushing)
3. A cyclist has the rights to the whole lane, not just one foot of glassy, dirty, rough tarmac

I was overtaken on a roundabout last week by a LWB white van, I had to hit the back of the van with my arm so he moved over (we were doing about 20kmph). If I was right in the middle of the lane he couldn't have overtaken and I would have been safer.

As a cyclist myself i always will make sure that people don't overtake me as i go through a roundabout. Its dangerous and scary to have someone swinging wide into you on a roundabout so i will indicate to move right into a gap, take up the whole lane and go through the roundabout safely without anyone overtaking me. This is the ONLY time i will take up the whole lane and despite the fact that i am legally entitled to i still cop abuse from drivers and have been run into on purpose waiting at roundabout before.
I see peletons of riders swinging out over half the lane and sure, they are entitled to but holding up an entire lane of traffic just so you can chat to your mates is just being plain inconsiderate.

Marvin said..

TheSailingMoose said..

BenKirk said..


1. They are legally allowed to do it
2. If they are in single file, tucked to the left people will not move out enough to overtake them (have you heard of the 1M law people are pushing)
3. A cyclist has the rights to the whole lane, not just one foot of glassy, dirty, rough tarmac

I was overtaken on a roundabout last week by a LWB white van, I had to hit the back of the van with my arm so he moved over (we were doing about 20kmph). If I was right in the middle of the lane he couldn't have overtaken and I would have been safer.

As a cyclist myself i always will make sure that people don't overtake me as i go through a roundabout. Its dangerous and scary to have someone swinging wide into you on a roundabout so i will indicate to move right into a gap, take up the whole lane and go through the roundabout safely without anyone overtaking me. This is the ONLY time i will take up the whole lane and despite the fact that i am legally entitled to i still cop abuse from drivers and have been run into on purpose waiting at roundabout before.
I see peletons of riders swinging out over half the lane and sure, they are entitled to but holding up an entire lane of traffic just so you can chat to your mates is just being plain inconsiderate.

Ditto for me.

I try to ride a bit aggressively to avoid holding up cars and to keep out of trouble, but at times there is a need to defer and allow cars to make the holes in the traffic, particularly in the rush hour. All common sense really.

I think any group of cyclists who take up the whole lane of a major arterial are being selfish. The whole issue of cyclists on these roads needs to be rethought.

I am not so concerned with pelotons in the backstreets when I am doing 50 kmh in my car, particularly if they assist you to get past (by shrinking to two abreast). In that case its just like giving way to mothers with prams and kids with balls etc. All care.

I can understand why someone riding a $7k carbon fibre bike doesn't want to ride on a footpath or a desidnated bicycle lane next to a footpath, like the one on beach road, but why not ride in the service lane when it's avaialble?

I'm sure that's safer than takling the tin lids.

poor relative said..

I think everyone needs to chill out a bit.

I cycle hundreds of Km every week. Often i get overtaken by cars going hell for leather only to catch them at the next light where they power off again and i catch them again. Quite funny really. Especially if the car is one of those HSV thingos.

Perth is the worst city i have cycled in people are clearly stupid here.

Why is it so bad to ride on a cycle way? I just dont understand why anyone would want to ride on a main road in peak hour traffic, but I see it all the time. So many close calls. I used to ride every day to work and would never ride on a main road ever. Always used the cycle way or the edge of the road that is reserved for bikes.

MAMILS should be banned from coffee shops on Satuday and Sunday mornings tho, so rude and stinky

DARTH said..


Why is it so bad to ride on a cycle way?

People with headphones walking oblivious to the world around them, kids running out from bushes, unleashed dogs, family's on Sunday strolls people with no idea not looking where they are going, blokes trying to be Cadel Evans overtaking at extremely dangerous spots and high speed etc etc Cycle ways in Perth can be hell especially the freeway path on the Kwinana from canning bridge.

I ride on cycleways cause i have to sometimes however if i don't i'm on the road. I ride on the road cause i can push along at a decent speed without worrying I'm going to hit a dog or worse.

Rush hour is generally the safest time to be riding on the road Traffic is generally slow moving or stopped.

If the truck is looking where he is going and driving as required by law then that wouldn't happen.

Truckies are pretty good they know what they are doing and generally aren't in too much of a hurry round town. IMO its women in 4WD rushing to pick up kids that are the biggest danger.

This topic is quite amusing really, if you took some some of the comments and just changed a few words you could get something like this....


"Why do all these kite boarders have to all kite together in the butter smooth flat water when there is all that rough water further out?"

The general public perception of our collective sports may not be too dissimilar to some of the views of cyclists posted here...

echunda said..

Marvin said..

TheSailingMoose said..

BenKirk said..


1. They are legally allowed to do it
2. If they are in single file, tucked to the left people will not move out enough to overtake them (have you heard of the 1M law people are pushing)
3. A cyclist has the rights to the whole lane, not just one foot of glassy, dirty, rough tarmac

I was overtaken on a roundabout last week by a LWB white van, I had to hit the back of the van with my arm so he moved over (we were doing about 20kmph). If I was right in the middle of the lane he couldn't have overtaken and I would have been safer.

As a cyclist myself i always will make sure that people don't overtake me as i go through a roundabout. Its dangerous and scary to have someone swinging wide into you on a roundabout so i will indicate to move right into a gap, take up the whole lane and go through the roundabout safely without anyone overtaking me. This is the ONLY time i will take up the whole lane and despite the fact that i am legally entitled to i still cop abuse from drivers and have been run into on purpose waiting at roundabout before.
I see peletons of riders swinging out over half the lane and sure, they are entitled to but holding up an entire lane of traffic just so you can chat to your mates is just being plain inconsiderate.

Ditto for me.

I try to ride a bit aggressively to avoid holding up cars and to keep out of trouble, but at times there is a need to defer and allow cars to make the holes in the traffic, particularly in the rush hour. All common sense really.

I think any group of cyclists who take up the whole lane of a major arterial are being selfish. The whole issue of cyclists on these roads needs to be rethought.

I am not so concerned with pelotons in the backstreets when I am doing 50 kmh in my car, particularly if they assist you to get past (by shrinking to two abreast). In that case its just like giving way to mothers with prams and kids with balls etc. All care.

I can understand why someone riding a $7k carbon fibre bike doesn't want to ride on a footpath or a desidnated bicycle lane next to a footpath, like the one on beach road, but why not ride in the service lane when it's avaialble?

I'm sure that's safer than takling the tin lids.

Just to make myself clear, I don't actually do the 3 things I mentioned when I cycle to work almost every day. I don't run red lights, I let pedestrians rightfully cross at crossings, I don't undertake at red lights, I don't ride two abreast (expect on the very quiet backstreets) and I especially DO NOT ride along Military Road. Ever. For my safety but mainly to not get in the way of commuters and buses.

Not sure who here rides the Sydney bike paths but half of them are terrible, way too many lights, cars parked across them, people walking down them and I can't get to half the places I want to as there are no right turns (especially on York Street).