That is seriously scary stuff

Add it to the fact that the G.M seed producers like Monsanto patent their seeds, and also are developing seeds that only germinate once and all seed produced by that plant is non-viable (so farmers can't keep some of the grain they harvested, to sow for next year - they HAVE TO buy it from the company each year) and it becomes even more scary

Don't understand why this scares you choco. Do you live in the USA?

Cisco....the Australian Glen Beck

isn't Glen Beck a C.I.A MKULTRA Project Monarch slave?

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_mindcon02.htm

choco said...

When you watch news reports showing protestors at these G8 summits have you ever seen a reporter ask a protestor why they are protesting?

But we all know why they're protesting. It's because they're protestors. It's what they do.

OK so I will put my tinfoil hat on for a while...

Generally it helps to read the source materials rather than youtube videos and random punters commentary, so the detail on the proposed bill can be found here:

Overview: www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s510
Summary: www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s510&tab=summary
Detail: www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-510

From what I can see this does not impact the "public's right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes" but means that if you want trade, transport and share food for consumption by others you need to conform to a set of minimum food handling standards and have some documentation / auditability of what you are doing. Also bill explicitly excludes foods for personal use, so if you grow and eat it you can (still) do whatever you want.

So apart from the administrative overheads (maybe the US's big new tax on everything food related) - how is any of this a bad thing?

Sanity straight from the go(t)b. Thankyou.

[takes admin hat off]

Don't get me wrong - I am happy for someone (anyone!) to point out what we are missing based on source materials and/or facts, but speculation based on opinion is really not all that productive...

Mark _australia said...

That is seriously scary stuff

Add it to the fact that the G.M seed producers like Monsanto patent their seeds, and also are developing seeds that only germinate once and all seed produced by that plant is non-viable (so farmers can't keep some of the grain they harvested, to sow for next year - they HAVE TO buy it from the company each year) and it becomes even more scary

I've seen it reported on a documentary that Monsanto will crucify anyone that saves and plants seed as the farmers using their seed need to sign a contractual agreement stating that they will not do so to buy it in the first place.

It's Official - The US Is A Police State
By Paul Craig Roberts
9-25-10


On September 24, Jason Ditz reported on Antiwar.com that "the FBI is confirming that this morning they began a number of raids against the homes of antiwar activists in Illinois, Minneapolis, Michigan, and North Carolina, claiming that they are 'seeking evidence relating to activities concerning the material support of terrorism.'"

Now we know what Homeland Security (sic) secretary Janet Napolitano meant when she said on September 10: "The old view that 'if we fight the terrorists abroad, we won't have to fight them here' is just that--the old view." The new view, Napolitano said, is "to counter violent extremism right here at home."

"Violent extremism" is one of those undefined police state terms that will mean whatever the government wants it to mean. In this morning's FBI's foray into the homes of American citizens of conscience, it means antiwar activists, whose activities are equated with "the material support of terrorism," just as conservatives equated Vietnam era anti-war protesters with giving material support to communism.

Anti-war activist Mick Kelly whose home was raided, sees the FBI raids as harassment to intimidate those who organize war protests. I wonder if Kelly is under-estimating the threat. The FBI's own words clearly indicate that the federal police agency and the judges who signed the warrants do not regard antiwar protesters as Americans exercising their Constitutional rights, but as unpatriotic elements offering material support to terrorism.

"Material support" is another of those undefined police state terms. In this context the term means that Americans who fail to believe their government's lies and instead protest its policies, are supporting their government's declared enemies and, thus, are not exercising their civil liberties but committing treason.

As this initial FBI foray is a softening up move to get the public accustomed to the idea that the real terrorists are their fellow citizens here at home, Kelly will get off this time. But next time the FBI will find emails on his computer from a "terrorist group" set up by the CIA that will incriminate him. Under the practices put in place by the Bush and Obama regimes, and approved by corrupt federal judges, protesters who have been compromised by fake terrorist groups can be declared "enemy combatants" and sent off to Egypt, Poland, or some other corrupt American puppet state--Canada perhaps--to be tortured until confession is forthcoming that antiwar protesters and, indeed, every critic of the US government, are on Osama bin Laden's payroll.

Almost every Republican and conservative and, indeed, the majority of Americans will fall for this, only to find, later, that it is subversive to complain that their Social Security was cut in the interest of the war against Iran or some other demonized entity, or that they couldn't have a Medicare operation because the wars in Central Asia and South America required the money.

Americans are the most gullible people who ever existed. They tend to support the government instead of the Constitution, and almost every Republican and conservative regards civil liberty as a coddling device that encourages criminals and terrorists.

The US media, highly concentrated in violation of the American principle of a diverse and independent media, will lend its support to the witch hunts that will close down all protests and independent thought in the US over the next few years. As the Nazi leader Joseph Goebbels said, "think of the press as a great keyboard on which the Government can play."

An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11. Americans are too gullible, too uneducated, and too jingoistic to remain a free people. As another Nazi leader Herman Goering said, " The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace-makers for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger."

This is precisely what the Bush and Obama regimes have done. America, as people of my generation knew it, no longer exists.

That's ok because you can have as many guns as you want[}:)]

Meanwhile here is another cut and paste. Seems even some of the popular press here are opening their eyes:

Lives lost currying US favour
PAUL SHEEHAN
September 27, 2010

Comments 13

Michael Mucci

Illustration: Michael Mucci

Thomas Dale, 21, killed by a bomb.

Grant Kirby, 35, killed by a bomb.

Jason Brown, 29, shot dead.

Tim Aplin, 38, killed in a helicopter crash.

Ben Chuck, 27, killed in a helicopter crash.

Scott Palmer, 27, killed in a helicopter crash.

Nathan Bewes, 23, killed by bomb.

Jared MacKinney, 28, shot dead.



I could go on. These are the young Australian soldiers killed in the past four months. They died in the corrupt failed state known as Afghanistan. These weren't just any soldiers. They were either commandos, Special Air Service troopers, or elite specialists. They were the point of our sword.

More than 3000 Australian soldiers and airmen have been killed or wounded in joint operations with the United States in Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq again, and now Afghanistan. There were many reasons for Australia deploying forces to these wars but the most important was to maintain the strategic alliance with the US, regarded as the ultimate safeguard of Australian security.

The cost of the alliance needs to be reviewed. The maintenance of the ''special relationship'' has become more like an obsessive-compulsive disorder in Canberra. This is the perfect week to step back, following the news from Washington on Friday that President Barack Obama has dropped plans to visit Australia.

Twice in the past year, a visit to Australia and Indonesia was proposed, then cancelled because of domestic political pressures. Instead, he is now going to Indonesia and India.

I don't blame Obama for dropping Australia. Why on earth would he want to come here? We are not Muslims. We are not a billion people. We don't cause problems. We don't blow up Americans. Australia is the only country in the world that has sent its soldiers into battle beside American forces in every major war the US has fought over the past 100 years. The only one. Australia is such an iron-clad, implacably reliable ally that we can be taken for granted.

As such, it is time to stop wasting Australian lives on oiling the wheels of American favour. There has never been a compelling case for Australia to engage in war after war in the Middle East, an area far from our sphere of influence or major trading partners. The image of Australia as an American surrogate no longer serves our national interests.

Even worse, we can be treated as a lapdog with impunity.

Australian prime ministers have been starstruck by the pomp of imperial Washington. John Howard was seduced. So was Kevin Rudd. And Australian soldiers were duly requested by Washington and duly dispatched to fight in American wars.

If the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, wants to be taken seriously in Washington, she should reorder our symbols and priorities. When it is time for her first visit to major trading partners she should go to Beijing and Tokyo. Leave Washington off the list.

Our Asian trading partners are the ones keeping our economy going, and they do so without involving us in military adventures and global jihad. Australia would be well served to withdraw its military forces from the Middle East, a place where good intentions go to die.

These points are made not from any sense of anti-Americanism. My personal commitment to America remains extremely strong, having lived, worked and studied there for many years. I still maintain deep connections to the country. Anti-Americanism, per se, is a ridiculous cliche.

Where I have lost faith is with the Obama administration, another place where good intentions go to die. Obama's non-existent executive experience before becoming President has been exposed. He inherited a whirlwind, for which he deserves no blame. But the policies of his administration, after throwing trillions of dollars into the vortex to prevent a breakdown in the financial system, are now moving the country towards division and decline.

America needed a pragmatist and it got an ideologue. Only an ideologue would divide the nation along a racial fault-line to save his own political skin. That is what Obama is doing by going to legal war against the state of Arizona over alleged discrimination against illegal immigrants. Arizona is being engulfed by illegal immigrants and the impact of the bloody Mexican drug war, but Obama is attacking a state government rather than the problem. In doing so, he is courting the Hispanic electorate.

When the housing market collapsed and consumer confidence collapsed with it, the last thing the small-business sector needed was an increase in government-imposed costs and compliances, but that is what it got in the form of sweeping healthcare reform legislation. Whatever the goals, the timing was an abomination. The same with banking regulations that have dried up lending. The real rate of unemployment and under-employment is the highest since the Depression.

Excessive and growing government debt and spending has created a profound sense of unease in US among households because they know they have to balance their own budgets to survive.

On Friday, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker, described the US financial system as ''broken''. During a recent visit to Australia, the Harvard economic historian, Niall Ferguson, described America as being ''on a completely unsustainable fiscal course, with no apparent political means of self-correcting''.

Obama is never going to come to Australia as President. He only has one more year before he begins his campaign for re-election, a campaign I expect him to lose. In November 2012, the hope and charm experiment will be consigned to history.

diatribe –noun
a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism

stating the obvious and quoting 'expert' representitives is hardly diatribe...

unless ofcourse you condone the slaughter of innocent people and the artificial buoying of a fake, corrupt and terminal economic model

Item 7 on " how to spot a conspiracy nut"

japie said...

log man said...

Item 7 on " how to spot a conspiracy nut"

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

Appropo to what?

If you look up skeptic in any dictionary I doubt sincerely if you will find the word "conspiracy". Nut is almost a certain absentee.

You're not the skeptic, you're the person "swamping". You replied to Ginger Pom and Galah with some cut and paste jobs rather than discussing their points.
Hence #7