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What infrastructure project would you vote for?

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Created by FormulaNova > 9 months ago, 16 Jun 2020
Pugwash
WA, 7670 posts
17 Jun 2020 2:25PM
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Pugwash said..



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Pugwash said something..





Bing......got trolled again by the red one. He must have notifications set up with active alerts or is hitting refresh every five seconds.





Errr, OK... you do realise you made this post 2 minutes after mine... I understand 2 minutes can seem like a really long wait when you're frothin on punchin out a post... but, alas, it's just 2 minutes...

I wish the gods would let you back in the other side, bro... we miss you...




I dont understand. You mentioned this Bono person and HG replies... must have misread it or something?



Just a simple case of mistaken identity. Sometimes I think HG thinks he is bono... but he is not, coz kato told us so...

SSsseeeeee... Simple...

Mr Milk
NSW, 2868 posts
17 Jun 2020 4:39PM
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Hardcarve1 said..
1 Gas fired power stations, cheapest power we can do and integrate solar and wind into the system.
2 Scrap the NBN and put fiber to ever house and business.
3 Build more dams and whatever other water storage or water catchment systems are viable.
4 Hi speed rail between east coast majors. Trains can run to the second and are not weather dependent and will open up corridors of development between the cities.





Yep. But we should ensure all those natural gas plants can go 100% hydrogen in the future, powered from hydrogen produced from renewable energy systems integrated into the grid. Nationalise the energy grid again and shut down those coal plants as the new gas plants come online.

We don't need to scrap the NBN, just pull out those ghastly nodes with a billion dollars of copper that idiot Abbott put in and run fibre to the premises.

Agree we need more dams, but only if they actually catch water!

I think high speed rail is a great idea but the airline industry won't have a bar of it and that's the roadblock.





I think high speed rail would actually be better targetted towards greenfields sites. Why build all that infrastructure from Sydney to Melbourne when planes do a good job of it?

Why not create a satellite city out of Melbourne, along the path to Sydney, but run the link just from Melb to there? That way people can populate that area, but still commute to Melb if they need to for work. A 30min commute time could put you out 100Kms, or maybe 150Kms at 45mins?

Do the same for Sydney over the great dividing range, and push some of the growth out that way?

Maybe later, you could link them up, but in the short term there is no demand for such a link between Sydney and Melbourne, so why not leave that to planes?

I think the only value in any of these type of links are if the land is cheap at the destination, and the land on the corridor is also cheap enough.




That doesn't solve the commuting time problem for anybody but a small group of people who happen to work close to the terminal in the city. How many trains are you going to run along this new expensive railway? Current frequency from Sydney to Wollongong is hourly. 8 car rains carry 2000 pax. Some passengers get on/off at intermediate stops, so say 1500 commuters from Woll. and further south are commuting. Maybe 3000 if you say some are early or late to their offices.
You can't run a fast train through the bends and tunnels along that line, so you have to build a new one. Close to the city the track gets congested, so the trains run at about bicycle speed during peak periods. Where are you going to build the new tracks to avoid that?
It all costs a lot of money and subsidises a small number of people who could, in many cases, being office workers, do much of their job from home.



No, I envisage something that is point to point only. People always want to add stops, which then makes it a fast slow train. I think it should be from a central hub and then to another central hub. Unlike Sydney where they want to stop at interim stations.

Wollongong is too close to justify this, and what do you get? Just the same people that are already commuting get a quicker ride. I am suggesting that you put it where there is currently no-one.

The idea is that it is for creating a new city at some point, but allowing some jobs to be done in the major city.

Yes, I agree with you with a lot of points. It doesn't really achieve much, which is why it has been dragged out and ignored for a long time.

I have only caught a fast train once, and that was from Madrid to some city to the south. It was pretty impressive though in that it got up to speed quickly and was very comfortable. The city at the end of it was a small town really, just for tourism, but it is somehow justified. Maybe it was easier in Madrid to get the rail line access?

They use fast trains to get to enough places around the country, and I wonder if its justified by the cost or if it loses money? I certainly enjoyed it and would happily travel that way again.




So what you think is a goer would be the new HSR line from Geraldton to Port Hedland? Dubbo to Tamworth?

FormulaNova
WA, 14046 posts
17 Jun 2020 3:10PM
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Pugwash said..

FormulaNova said..



Pugwash said..




holy guacamole said..





Pugwash said something..






Bing......got trolled again by the red one. He must have notifications set up with active alerts or is hitting refresh every five seconds.






Errr, OK... you do realise you made this post 2 minutes after mine... I understand 2 minutes can seem like a really long wait when you're frothin on punchin out a post... but, alas, it's just 2 minutes...

I wish the gods would let you back in the other side, bro... we miss you...





I dont understand. You mentioned this Bono person and HG replies... must have misread it or something?




Just a simple case of mistaken identity. Sometimes I think HG thinks he is bono... but he is not, coz kato told us so...

SSsseeeeee... Simple...


Maybe HG got caught up in all these accusations and just forgot who he was? As he has said in the past, a lot of people know Kato, and there must be a lot of Audi driving architects in Vicco, so he is obviously not one and the same.

I for one would vote for Bono, wherever he is, to rejoin the HW forum, but with a maximum number of posts per day, and limited edits, but its a moot point as back in the day he argued to close down HW and self-exile himself.

FormulaNova
WA, 14046 posts
17 Jun 2020 3:18PM
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Mr Milk said..

FormulaNova said..


Mr Milk said..



FormulaNova said..




holy guacamole said..





Hardcarve1 said..
1 Gas fired power stations, cheapest power we can do and integrate solar and wind into the system.
2 Scrap the NBN and put fiber to ever house and business.
3 Build more dams and whatever other water storage or water catchment systems are viable.
4 Hi speed rail between east coast majors. Trains can run to the second and are not weather dependent and will open up corridors of development between the cities.






Yep. But we should ensure all those natural gas plants can go 100% hydrogen in the future, powered from hydrogen produced from renewable energy systems integrated into the grid. Nationalise the energy grid again and shut down those coal plants as the new gas plants come online.

We don't need to scrap the NBN, just pull out those ghastly nodes with a billion dollars of copper that idiot Abbott put in and run fibre to the premises.

Agree we need more dams, but only if they actually catch water!

I think high speed rail is a great idea but the airline industry won't have a bar of it and that's the roadblock.






I think high speed rail would actually be better targetted towards greenfields sites. Why build all that infrastructure from Sydney to Melbourne when planes do a good job of it?

Why not create a satellite city out of Melbourne, along the path to Sydney, but run the link just from Melb to there? That way people can populate that area, but still commute to Melb if they need to for work. A 30min commute time could put you out 100Kms, or maybe 150Kms at 45mins?

Do the same for Sydney over the great dividing range, and push some of the growth out that way?

Maybe later, you could link them up, but in the short term there is no demand for such a link between Sydney and Melbourne, so why not leave that to planes?

I think the only value in any of these type of links are if the land is cheap at the destination, and the land on the corridor is also cheap enough.





That doesn't solve the commuting time problem for anybody but a small group of people who happen to work close to the terminal in the city. How many trains are you going to run along this new expensive railway? Current frequency from Sydney to Wollongong is hourly. 8 car rains carry 2000 pax. Some passengers get on/off at intermediate stops, so say 1500 commuters from Woll. and further south are commuting. Maybe 3000 if you say some are early or late to their offices.
You can't run a fast train through the bends and tunnels along that line, so you have to build a new one. Close to the city the track gets congested, so the trains run at about bicycle speed during peak periods. Where are you going to build the new tracks to avoid that?
It all costs a lot of money and subsidises a small number of people who could, in many cases, being office workers, do much of their job from home.




No, I envisage something that is point to point only. People always want to add stops, which then makes it a fast slow train. I think it should be from a central hub and then to another central hub. Unlike Sydney where they want to stop at interim stations.

Wollongong is too close to justify this, and what do you get? Just the same people that are already commuting get a quicker ride. I am suggesting that you put it where there is currently no-one.

The idea is that it is for creating a new city at some point, but allowing some jobs to be done in the major city.

Yes, I agree with you with a lot of points. It doesn't really achieve much, which is why it has been dragged out and ignored for a long time.

I have only caught a fast train once, and that was from Madrid to some city to the south. It was pretty impressive though in that it got up to speed quickly and was very comfortable. The city at the end of it was a small town really, just for tourism, but it is somehow justified. Maybe it was easier in Madrid to get the rail line access?

They use fast trains to get to enough places around the country, and I wonder if its justified by the cost or if it loses money? I certainly enjoyed it and would happily travel that way again.





So what you think is a goer would be the new HSR line from Geraldton to Port Hedland? Dubbo to Tamworth?


No, what I am saying is a HSR line between Perth and Geraldton or Sydney and Bathurst, or Melbourne and a place not in Melbourne.

Geraldton to Port Hedland would be awesome. I would make the effort to get there and ride it as it would be shut down within months due to the huge cost and no customers.

In the Madrid example, Madrid has a huge population and sprawl, and the train gets you out of there fast. There are plenty of regular trains and a metro to get around, but the HSR is for much more distant locations.

I think its a difficult proposition as no-one would want to pay for a train to nowhere, and would always want it to their location, even when it becomes a non-fast train because of it.

How many people really want to work in Canberra, but might do so if they could live in Nowra and commute in an hour? Trouble is that you would upset most of the residents in the existing town as they would just see local prices go up.

FormulaNova
WA, 14046 posts
17 Jun 2020 3:23PM
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Has anyone identified any great projects yet?

I felt for sure that there would be a proposal to have a direct water connection from the NT somewhere to Dalby in Qld to resurect drought declared areas?

I guess it goes to show that its hard to come up with a good idea, and surely harder again to convince the public that they need to spend on it. Which means that good ideas have to be incremental instead of a completely new idea, otherwise no one would go for it.

I personally think that we need jobs and lots of them, so it would make sense for the government to become the prime contractor and build 'stuff' in someplace that just guaranteed a certain large number of people jobs and for a definite period of time.

In that respect, I wonder if the western Sydney Airport is a good example? No-one wants to fund it, so the government does, and will no doubt sell it off when completed and able to demonstrate its value.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9018 posts
10 Jul 2020 6:49AM
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How about demolishing Canberra and freeing up the rest of the country?

The Commonwealth Government could go back to renting a few offices in Melbourne to house the staff needed to keep track of what it's responsible for under the constitution. A budget of around $5 million would cover it pretty easily.

TonyAbbott
866 posts
10 Jul 2020 6:42AM
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How about demolishing Canberra and freeing up the rest of the country?

The Commonwealth Government could go back to renting a few offices in Melbourne to house the staff needed to keep track of what it's responsible for under the constitution. A budget of around $5 million would cover it pretty easily.


Not a bad idea

The greens would be triggered by any suggestions of a small hands-off government not excessively taxing and interfering into our everyday lives.

Not Melbourne though, we need use that freed up money to build a wall around the socialist republic of Melbourne. Actually no, we will make them pay for the wall.

FormulaNova
WA, 14046 posts
10 Jul 2020 8:05AM
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How about demolishing Canberra and freeing up the rest of the country?

The Commonwealth Government could go back to renting a few offices in Melbourne to house the staff needed to keep track of what it's responsible for under the constitution. A budget of around $5 million would cover it pretty easily.


Moby you keep on bringing this up but you are starting to sound like and old man shouting at the clouds.

There are so many things that need to be done in a society. You choosing to ignore this does not change it. Saying that the government was not responsible for much under the constitution does not remove the functions that it does today.

At best you might be able to argue that a lot of federal responsibilities move to the states, but what is that going to achieve?

I think anyone that thinks government is full of people standing around drinking coffee and doing nothing has not seen how it actually works. Its like people thinking that school teachers have an easy job because they get school holidays off.

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
10 Jul 2020 10:10AM
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High speed rail, although I imagine we would not have two air carriers only one would survive

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
10 Jul 2020 10:12AM
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How about demolishing Canberra and freeing up the rest of the country?

The Commonwealth Government could go back to renting a few offices in Melbourne to house the staff needed to keep track of what it's responsible for under the constitution. A budget of around $5 million would cover it pretty easily.


I lived in Canberra for 7 years and I think they build it in the wrong place, a cold hole in the winter and hot in the summer, should of put it on the coast near Batemans Bay or something, would be much nicer

psychojoe
WA, 1804 posts
10 Jul 2020 8:15AM
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I hate it when people just chime in on the third page of a thread without reading the whole thing first, but that's what I'm doing.
Our prisons are overcrowded but I don't want to build more because that costs money.
If we decriminalised marijuana we could release a bucketload of prisoners which would make room for mandatory minimum sentences for protection order violators nation wide.
I much prefer a city full of worthless stoners to a city full of violent jerks beating their husbands, wives, and children

Rails
QLD, 1370 posts
11 Jul 2020 5:14AM
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psychojoe said..
I hate it when people just chime in on the third page of a thread without reading the whole thing first, but that's what I'm doing.
Our prisons are overcrowded but I don't want to build more because that costs money.
If we decriminalised marijuana we could release a bucketload of prisoners which would make room for mandatory minimum sentences for protection order violators nation wide.
I much prefer a city full of worthless stoners to a city full of violent jerks beating their husbands, wives, and children


Not sure that's an infrastructure project, more a policy position.

Australia needs to be oil independent within 10-15 years, we need to fund every project that helps meet this goal, geothermal, pumped hydro, hydrogen from sea water, etc... we need to replace oil dependent infrastructure including vehicles and particularly farming, mining and construction equipment.

We need a stable, self sustaining and dependable energy infrastructure that provides for our needs without being dependent on imports.

like it or not the foreign oil is going to run out, local is already pretty much gone, might as well plan for it...

Mobydisc
NSW, 9018 posts
11 Jul 2020 4:30PM
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FormulaNova said..

Mobydisc said..
How about demolishing Canberra and freeing up the rest of the country?

The Commonwealth Government could go back to renting a few offices in Melbourne to house the staff needed to keep track of what it's responsible for under the constitution. A budget of around $5 million would cover it pretty easily.



Moby you keep on bringing this up but you are starting to sound like and old man shouting at the clouds.

There are so many things that need to be done in a society. You choosing to ignore this does not change it. Saying that the government was not responsible for much under the constitution does not remove the functions that it does today.

At best you might be able to argue that a lot of federal responsibilities move to the states, but what is that going to achieve?

I think anyone that thinks government is full of people standing around drinking coffee and doing nothing has not seen how it actually works. Its like people thinking that school teachers have an easy job because they get school holidays off.


I will keep bringing it up as the federal government keeps taking over more and keeps getting bigger.

The federal government has moved a long way in 120 years. Back at federation it had responsibility for three areas:

1. National defence
2. Foreign affairs
3. Interstate trade

That is all because that is all the power it was granted by the constitution.

What does the federal government have responsibility for today? Who really knows? What responsibility will it have in 120 years time? It will probably be telling us what coloured underwear we are to wear on Tuesdays.

Ian K
WA, 4039 posts
11 Jul 2020 2:53PM
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Little Jon said..




I lived in Canberra for 7 years and I think they build it in the wrong place, a cold hole in the winter and hot in the summer, should of put it on the coast near Batemans Bay or something, would be much nicer




Only 7 years! Batemans Bay is still a bit nice but imagine if 350,000 Canberrans moved in. It'd be like the coast between Otford and Sanctuary point. The population of coast Banksias, coast T trees and coast wattles would crash. where would the remaining seas eagles and cockatoos perch?

What we need is a huge trenching machine and put it to work encircling Melbourne.

UncleBob
NSW, 1199 posts
11 Jul 2020 4:55PM
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Mobydisc said..

FormulaNova said..


Mobydisc said..
How about demolishing Canberra and freeing up the rest of the country?

The Commonwealth Government could go back to renting a few offices in Melbourne to house the staff needed to keep track of what it's responsible for under the constitution. A budget of around $5 million would cover it pretty easily.




Moby you keep on bringing this up but you are starting to sound like and old man shouting at the clouds.

There are so many things that need to be done in a society. You choosing to ignore this does not change it. Saying that the government was not responsible for much under the constitution does not remove the functions that it does today.

At best you might be able to argue that a lot of federal responsibilities move to the states, but what is that going to achieve?

I think anyone that thinks government is full of people standing around drinking coffee and doing nothing has not seen how it actually works. Its like people thinking that school teachers have an easy job because they get school holidays off.



I will keep bringing it up as the federal government keeps taking over more and keeps getting bigger.

The federal government has moved a long way in 120 years. Back at federation it had responsibility for three areas:

1. National defence
2. Foreign affairs
3. Interstate trade

That is all because that is all the power it was granted by the constitution.

What does the federal government have responsibility for today? Who really knows? What responsibility will it have in 120 years time? It will probably be telling us what coloured underwear we are to wear on Tuesdays.


Personally I would rather suggest the elimination of state governments, the expansion of local government areas and the commonwealth government supply finance to said local governments. Just think of the money and restraints saved by eliminating this now unnecessary level of government.
We could turn the state government building (at least in NSW) into a high end hotel with the offices behind into itinerant backpacker accommodation, much the same as it is now.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9018 posts
11 Jul 2020 10:07PM
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Mobydisc said..


FormulaNova said..



Mobydisc said..
How about demolishing Canberra and freeing up the rest of the country?

The Commonwealth Government could go back to renting a few offices in Melbourne to house the staff needed to keep track of what it's responsible for under the constitution. A budget of around $5 million would cover it pretty easily.





Moby you keep on bringing this up but you are starting to sound like and old man shouting at the clouds.

There are so many things that need to be done in a society. You choosing to ignore this does not change it. Saying that the government was not responsible for much under the constitution does not remove the functions that it does today.

At best you might be able to argue that a lot of federal responsibilities move to the states, but what is that going to achieve?

I think anyone that thinks government is full of people standing around drinking coffee and doing nothing has not seen how it actually works. Its like people thinking that school teachers have an easy job because they get school holidays off.




I will keep bringing it up as the federal government keeps taking over more and keeps getting bigger.

The federal government has moved a long way in 120 years. Back at federation it had responsibility for three areas:

1. National defence
2. Foreign affairs
3. Interstate trade

That is all because that is all the power it was granted by the constitution.

What does the federal government have responsibility for today? Who really knows? What responsibility will it have in 120 years time? It will probably be telling us what coloured underwear we are to wear on Tuesdays.



Personally I would rather suggest the elimination of state governments, the expansion of local government areas and the commonwealth government supply finance to said local governments. Just think of the money and restraints saved by eliminating this now unnecessary level of government.
We could turn the state government building (at least in NSW) into a high end hotel with the offices behind into itinerant backpacker accommodation, much the same as it is now.


The States inherited the colonial administrative administrations. It would be better to get the federal government to ge back to its constitution powers. The colonial government's agreed to cede powers under certain conditions.

The Federal Government has Constitutional power over the following:


Foreign affairs
National defence
Interstate trade


These are the domains granted to the Commonwealth. No more and no less under the rules, the constitution.

Of course the authority granted to interpret the Constitution, the High Court, funded by the Federal government has made decisions to favour the federal government. These decisions are justified by volumes of legalese no one can understand but justify the destruction of our rights. No one cares about this.

It is time to question the authority of the High Court based on how it is funded,

Who pays the paid piper?

Mr Milk
NSW, 2868 posts
11 Jul 2020 11:07PM
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You really do want to make things difficult for ordinary people, don't you. Federal government responsibility increases over time as society becomes more complex. It has an important role to play in equalising opportunity between regions and states. It does what it can to ensure that schools across the nation are providing a roughly equal level of education, and that healthcare in the boonies is as good as it is in the cities.
When you bang on about what the "Constitution" defines as Federal responsibilities you sound as stupid as any ISIS fanatic or American gun nut. Laws evolve constantly as society does. There was no constitution in 1890. What was written in 1900 was a compromise then that suited the times. Times change.

FormulaNova
WA, 14046 posts
12 Jul 2020 6:44AM
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Little Jon said..




I lived in Canberra for 7 years and I think they build it in the wrong place, a cold hole in the winter and hot in the summer, should of put it on the coast near Batemans Bay or something, would be much nicer




Only 7 years! Batemans Bay is still a bit nice but imagine if 350,000 Canberrans moved in. It'd be like the coast between Otford and Sanctuary point. The population of coast Banksias, coast T trees and coast wattles would crash. where would the remaining seas eagles and cockatoos perch?

What we need is a huge trenching machine and put it to work encircling Melbourne.


I saw one of those machines on one of those programs where they look at abandoned machinery. The thing was huge and was for digging up coal to feed a power station. I never would have thought such a thing could be built and be built mobile, but there you go. I wonder what its fuel economy was like?

cisco
QLD, 12311 posts
12 Jul 2020 9:44AM
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That is the one that scooped up the D9 Cat.

holy guacamole
1393 posts
12 Jul 2020 8:16AM
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Rails said..

psychojoe said..
I hate it when people just chime in on the third page of a thread without reading the whole thing first, but that's what I'm doing.
Our prisons are overcrowded but I don't want to build more because that costs money.
If we decriminalised marijuana we could release a bucketload of prisoners which would make room for mandatory minimum sentences for protection order violators nation wide.
I much prefer a city full of worthless stoners to a city full of violent jerks beating their husbands, wives, and children



Not sure that's an infrastructure project, more a policy position.

Australia needs to be oil independent within 10-15 years, we need to fund every project that helps meet this goal, geothermal, pumped hydro, hydrogen from sea water, etc... we need to replace oil dependent infrastructure including vehicles and particularly farming, mining and construction equipment.

We need a stable, self sustaining and dependable energy infrastructure that provides for our needs without being dependent on imports.

like it or not the foreign oil is going to run out, local is already pretty much gone, might as well plan for it...


Spot on.

holy guacamole
1393 posts
12 Jul 2020 8:18AM
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You really do want to make things difficult for ordinary people, don't you. Federal government responsibility increases over time as society becomes more complex. It has an important role to play in equalising opportunity between regions and states. It does what it can to ensure that schools across the nation are providing a roughly equal level of education, and that healthcare in the boonies is as good as it is in the cities.
When you bang on about what the "Constitution" defines as Federal responsibilities you sound as stupid as any ISIS fanatic or American gun nut. Laws evolve constantly as society does. There was no constitution in 1890. What was written in 1900 was a compromise then that suited the times. Times change.

Yes and at the centre of the 1900 Constitution was an openly racist "White Australia Policy".

Surely we're not going to enshrine other such outdated policies, just because they're "in the constitution"!

If you ask me, sometimes every country needs to throw out a Constitution and start again, just like one cuts down a tree when the rot inside Is unmanageable.

There's nothing wrong with reinvention - in fact it's how most countries start out. Revolution, crisis, war etc.

The idea that we should as a nation remain fixed in our constitution and identity for ever is entirely unimaginative.

Closed
VIC, 144 posts
12 Jul 2020 12:14PM
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Projects which don't involve Commi Dan Andrews getting a back hander or binning and costing the public mIllions.

Mr Milk
NSW, 2868 posts
12 Jul 2020 2:33PM
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The Federal Government has Constitutional power over the following:

Foreign affairs
National defence
Interstate trade


These are the domains granted to the Commonwealth. No more and no less under the rules, the constitution.




Have you ever even had a cursory look at the Constitution?
Here are the legislative powers.
www.aph.gov.au/about_parliament/senate/powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=AFF6CA564BC3465AA325E73053DED4AA&_z=z#chapter-01_part-05_51

They cover a lot more than Foreign Affairs, Defence and Commerce.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
12 Jul 2020 9:19PM
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bazz61 said..
on a more serious note , the GREAT Central Highway seal it , for those that don't know it its a graded track that passes from Western QLD , through Alice NT , and arrives at Laverton WA .


be lots easier to rename it "the Great Central Goat Track"

Macroscien
QLD, 6791 posts
13 Jul 2020 9:54AM
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I did said this already on one occasion or more.
So I just merely repeat after myself.
Lets build High Voltage DC Transmission Lines across or along our continent.

Now since US made already first step , will be easier to convince our public and official to something made sense long ago already.



cleantechnica.com/2020/07/12/whoosh-wind-power-wins-pipelines-implode-in-fossil-fuel-week-from-hell/




PS. we should source all materials and technology directly from US ( in order to avoid 6G complications).
Eventually when something goes wrong with our politics they could turn our tap off, not Chinese.

martyj4
500 posts
13 Jul 2020 10:25AM
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I think build heaps of renewable power stations. Solar, wind, geothermal near places that can utilise it - cities, towns, industrial areas, high speed train lines, desalination plants. Cheap clean power will go a really long way to solving a lot of problems. Desal sea water and then pump the water to places where it's scarce for agriculture. Use power for storage - pumped hydro, Hydrogen tech etc. That area of tech is expanding. Cheap power for industries to reduce carbon footprint and make it cheaper to manufacture products for the local and international market.

HotBodMon
NSW, 573 posts
13 Jul 2020 1:17PM
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my vote would go to anyone crazy enough to divert our sewerage inland and farm 73 gazillion acres of hard wood



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