Macroscien said.. << 13,000 divided by 365 = 35 km per day

True, would work in my wife's case, furthest that goes is Mandurah-Perth, most of the time it's local shopping. But my surfwagon needs to get to my favourite speed spots. That includes Albany, 400km away and Lake George, driving there, I want to be able to do 700km a day. So electric just won't cut it. How about hydrogen if there is ever refuelling across the Nullabor?

The wife's car is a Mazda 2, that gets 5.5 l/100km and costs a bit over $20,000 new. I have tossed around replacing it with an EV but I won't be doing that yet, the numbers just don't add up. We have solar panels, but they are only 3Kw a plug into the wall charge, would still use over 50% power from the coal fired grid. Unless there is a way to slow the charge rate right down.

The long drive? Research reported in the newscientist proposes that TV watching pushes the same evolutionary buttons that had us relaxing around camp fires. (honing language, sharpening stone axes and all those other things increasing our reproductive fitness).

Could sitting back on a long drive, watching the scenery flicker past, push the same buttons? Can't doze off as you can in front of the TV however.

"It's the journey rather than the destination."

www.newscientist.com/article/mg24833133-100-the-reason-we-love-to-gather-around-the-tv-lies-in-stone-age-embers/

That problem applies to some people, but not everyone. Maybe caravans would be most common, followed by boats.
For either case batteries could be built into the trailer. Probably major waterproofing issues for boat trailers though.

UncleBob said..

Carantoc said..

Mr Milk said..
The only good reason not to buy an electric car is range anxiety...

Probably several more perfectly good reasons.

like ...I don't need one because I have a perfectly good car that will last many more years yet.

Or price. Or range choice and availability of suitable vehicles with the functions I require.

And don't forget the farcical claim that there are no emissions, powered from the grid so no emissions there, (rolleyes) batteries materials mined on one side of the world, shipped to battery manufacturer on the other side of the world, shipped to vehicle manufacturer wherever then shipped to point of sale in whichever country, warranted for up to eight years, then replace either car or battery. No emissions anywhere there, so yeah, very green.

Probably the same as a petrol car anyway. Then you have all the input costs of fuel, including transportation, storage and refining costs of petrol/diesel. And when the tap is turned off in Asia how many weeks supply is there? Oh that's right we can get it from our storage in the USA.
At least there is more than 2 weeks or whatever of electrical supply.

Macroscien said..
Tesla fully electric Semi should flll the needs of those remaining 1% population requiring range and towing capacity for everyday trips

or motorhome



for all those still not convinced, here is alternative for future.
We just need to adjust a bit design of city parking lots around shopping molls

that's a shaver.

at least we have serious entry into micro EV market by Toyota.But at $20,000 price tag many will be considering 4x cheaper GM /chinese vehicle.




www.motoring.com.au/toyota-reveals-two-seat-baby-ev-121163/

those still undecided may wait for Apple EV

www.motoring.com.au/apple-car-on-track-for-2024-debut-with-next-level-batteries-127978/

kato said..
Useless.... no roof racks

But there will be an e-trailer behind it with batteries and heaps of room for boards!

Carantoc said..

FormulaNova said..
But there will be an e-trailer behind it with batteries and heaps of room for boards!

Plus a second trailer, one of those coffee caravan things so you can have a mocha whilst you wait for it to recharge every 100kms.
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Nah, it will have the optional 3rd trailer that will have the Apple/Toyota collaboration 3 litre turbo V6 coupled to a generator in order to supply the power to charge the batteries, plus supply hot water for the coffee van.

Mr Milk said..
For either case batteries could be built into the trailer. Probably major waterproofing issues for boat trailers though.

this could be fun - most holiday travellers with thier caravans / trailers / boats on trailers are already well overloaded - and now you want to add a ruddy great battery pack into the GVM as well!

Range?
According to Elon Musk Tesla battery cost now $100 per 1kwh/That price is going to drop to $50 in next few years.
Electric car need 8 to 12 kwh per every 100 km range.We could also perform costs calculations:
at 8kwh x $0.25per kwh = $2
if you have solar roof could be free.
for comparison my Toyota Hilux
11L x $1.35= $14.85
and there is not a chance I could brew gasoline on my own at home for free ever,