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Sham1984
Sham1984
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24 May 2013 3:43pm
im nearly 30.. have a decent job and career opportunities.. but honestly I don't love what I do.. I'm fairly miserable at work and it has only gotten worse since I can only surf on weekends now I'm back in the suburbs. the morning and afternoon surf made working a job that was only OK very doable..

My problem is, I have a mortgage, a wife.. kids are on the horizon in the near future.. I cant exactly take up a trade and be on apprentice wages even though being a sparky sort of appeals to me.

I have no idea what other options I have.. and all the jobs that I am qualified for and have the experience for don't interest me anymore. its fairly depressing..

Anyone have any advice or been in a similar situation?

advice and/or flaming accepted
Rex
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24 May 2013 1:52pm
Sham1984 said..



My problem is, I have a mortgage, a wife.. kids are on the horizon in the near future.


This ones a goner, move it along folks, nothing to see here.


Gizmo
Gizmo
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24 May 2013 3:23pm
I was once told 'Do a job you like and you will never work another day in your life!!!'
I have passed that thought along to my (now grown up) kids and told them make sure you enjoy the work you do otherwise getting your feet out of bed each morning can be hell.

But in your case it seem you have your testicles in a vice, a change of career can be done but it's hard... good luck.

Just sing this little ditty to keep your mind active... I owe, I owe, It's off to work I go, I owe, I owe, I owe.....
Shane10
Shane10
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24 May 2013 3:56pm
Sparky in the forces perhaps? Pays better than apprentice.
Sham1984
Sham1984
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24 May 2013 4:06pm
Rex said..

Sham1984 said..



My problem is, I have a mortgage, a wife.. kids are on the horizon in the near future.


This ones a goner, move it along folks, nothing to see here.




haha thanks for the vote on confidence. surely people change careers in their life. I cant be the only idiot who jumped head first into a career they knew nothing about only to get a decade down the road and want to turn back

surfanimal
surfanimal
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24 May 2013 4:14pm
At some point we all dislike our job regardless of what it is - we all wonder 'what if'.

Find the positives in what you do and stick with it - a lot of people would love ANY job and my mum always taught me to be thankful for a weekly salary coming through.

Can you re-locate to a coastal area so you can have a morning or afternoon surf with the kids ? That could be a starting point....can you work from home one day or two half days a week / flex time perhaps ?

The surf isn't good all the time and lots of workers surf more than those hanging around waiting for good conditions.....just tweak what you've got and be sure your wife / partner understands how important the surfing lifestyle is to your overall wellbeing.

For me, I grew up in the 'burbs and ended up working in the Inner West of Sydney.....I am in the same career now but work on the coast so if I can't get a dawn / dusk session in, the board is 'in car' for a lunch session when you just can't miss those special days with the flexibility to start late, extend a lunch hour or the like which has kept me happy in my work for many years....it's not what you do, it's about having employer's who allow flexibility to ensure happy staff.

Woodo
Woodo
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24 May 2013 3:05pm
Get out of there.
If your not happy and miserable at work that will soon start creeping into your personal life as well.
I was in pretty much exactly the same boat. I was 32, in job i didn't enjoy and ended up over time dreaded going to work and started losing sleep.
Although it paid well, company car, fuel card etc the hours were long and the stress was high.
I'd find myself getting home from work and just sitting there fried not even talking to the Mrs.
A job came up, 10k less per year, no car but better hours and an RDO every two weeks. I too had a fresh mortgage and was getting married in 6 months. Got the job. It was a hard decision to leave as I always told myself I'd never take a step backwards financially but I did.
It was the best choice i ever made! Been doing it now for 1.5 years and I'm so much happier in every aspect of life.
Work takes up a large portion of your life so it's important to be happy in what you are doing.
Money isn't everything (although plenty would disagree)
Make the change and find something that you enjoy. It will really make a difference in your life.
GPA
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24 May 2013 3:29pm
^^^
I was in a similar situation to Woodo... I was in a senior position and on a very good package - including car and a few extras. But over time the company and my role changed, and I was becoming increasingly unhappy. I stuck it out for about 12 months as I tried to negotiated an improved role with the HR Director and CEO. In the end I realised that I was kidding myself and I needed to get out... It took me about 6 months of trawling through SEEK, CareerOne, LinkedIn and other employment sites to realise that I was going to need to re-train. So I took some leave and started a Diploma in Project Management. Having started the course allowed me to list it in my Resume (in progress), and combined with my practical experience I started to get some enquiries from recruiters.

In the end I took a job in a completely different industry. The pay is substantially less and there's no car or fuel card, but I am learning something new everyday and the people value me for my experience and contribution. And I go home much happier...
Gizmo
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24 May 2013 5:39pm
Ever considered working 'odd hours' I know of guys working VERY early morning hours approx 4-5 hrs / day - 5 days / week earning more than a standard 37 hr week..... finished by 7am then all day for your own enjoyment.
salty620
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24 May 2013 6:10pm
Changing careers can be challenging, but if you have good work ethic's it can be easier than you think. Most employment opportunities are gained through people you already know and quite often it is only a matter of getting the word out to the right people.
You may not be in a position to do an apprenticeship but in a position to gain work in your desired field as a trades assistant and attend schooling in the evenings to increase your skill levels to a point that is recognised.
You also stated that you have other skills, surely these skills could only be asset to any employer if any of these over lap into your new career. Nothing ventured nothing gained and if you are unhappy it is only a matter of time before your partner is unhappy.
Discuss the possibilities with your partner, get her onside and if you are both happy you can only be successful. Remember success is happiness!
kiteboy dave
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24 May 2013 6:28pm
I was same boat, did uni then worked my way into niche IT (computer forensics), worked in London at swanky corporate investigations firm, then offered lead role in sydney big 5 company on big bucks.

Turned it down - had just met my wife (to be), didn't want to move to s!ithole big city, and hated the job anyway.

Started at bottom again. Bar work, labourer, foundry, making hearing aids (electrical soldering), box factory, etc. Got a contract as power line inspector for an energex project, then got into project drafting/sap role. Converted that into Drafting, with TAFE, into refinery role.

Now I'm in mining drafting, and actually look forward to going to work to get some peace. Listen to tunes all day, speak with boss once a week (he's in office next door), they bought me 2 new software packages this year (rhino & sketchup) and I get paid to expand my skills, and I get to be acting boss when he's away. I do a 4 day week by choice, 30hrs when quiet and up to 50 when busy. Plenty of time with my son etc.

So - big financial sacrifice but it worked out for me. I vote do it. But do it smartly - try to get some idea of whether you'd really enjoy being a sparky. Try to find a way to cross-skill without starting at the bottom like I did - I didn't have a mortgage then or a child. eg Take 2 weeks leave and organise to do 2 weeks unpaid work experience with a local sparky - some would jump at free help, and in that 2 weeks you might make contacts to help the transition. If you studied up first (not clueless) you might even impress enough to get a job offer.
Sham1984
Sham1984
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24 May 2013 7:44pm
Thanks guys!some good points. I was just throwing 'sparky' out there! There are plenty other things I think I would enjoy that I could translate from my current skill set

Good to hear a few of you guys have done the change with a drop in salary and it worked out. Could be on the cards


I'l keep my mind open and ear to the ground and hopefully the right opportunity will present itself. I think even a change in culture and scenery would be nice..
boofy
boofy
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24 May 2013 8:32pm
Hey mate all is not lost at age age 40 with a mortgage , two kids I left Sydney where I worked for Sydney water for 15 years fixing major water main breaks in Sydney CBD, living where I am now i did a cert3 age care did that for a few years and am just about to graduate from uni as a registered nurse best thing I ever did with my life big secret was my very supportive wife
crustysailor
crustysailor
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24 May 2013 8:38pm
sham, your nearly 30, do it now.

I'm nearly 43, and in the same boat and have been for the past 12 months.
Now I feel it's too late to change.

I was actually going to place a 'wanted'' ad on Seabreeze a month ago, and ran it past Laurie for a thumbs up.

Having a secure (and reasonably well paying)job, kids,schools fees etc,etc like everyone else, plus being in Geelong made me realise how lucky I am, and just needed to suck it up princess and be greatfull.

Hi Ho, Hi Ho is in my top 10 now.
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
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24 May 2013 6:50pm
One of my sons-in-law was in precisely your quandary about 18mths ago. Mortgage, other bills and child #1 on the way. He and his wife crunched the numbers and 18mths ago he started an apprenticeship as a heavy diesel fitter. He loves it to death!! They're on their collective arze bones, but just scraping through with family help. The future result however will be well worth the sacrifice. Better income for a start, but more importantly, something he wants to get out of bed for.

Do some numbers, then "do what enchants you".
GPA
GPA
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24 May 2013 8:25pm
crustysailor said..

sham, your nearly 30, do it now.

I'm nearly 43, and in the same boat and have been for the past 12 months.
Now I feel it's too late to change.




B.S. I was 45yo when I made my mind up to leave a top job after 28yrs with the one company. I landed the new job a few months after I turned 46yo. My boss is 56yo and he has only been with the company for 13 months...

Age is just a number - no one asked me how old I was until after I had started - and it was at a social thingy for someone's 50th and they were just going around the table...

You only go around once fellas... I saw too many people staying at a job they no longer cared for because they were either too scared to change or too lazy to...
landyacht
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24 May 2013 8:42pm
I pulled out of a crap job with 4 kids and a mortgage at 36 and worked for myself, some years I dont make enough to even pay tax, but havent regretted any of itbest part is seeing the kids before and after school. after 14 years as my "own boss" I cant imagine having a real job again
Sailhack
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25 May 2013 12:37am
I was 34 - married, 2 young kids and self employed as a carpenter joiner since 18 - employed 3 guys and decided to back to school to do a diploma in building design which was my passion since I was a teen...5 years later and very happy that we made the sacrifice! Don't have the disposable income - but much happier.

Also - Wife dropped career job as a finance manager to work in a school office... also dropping 1/3 of her wage but also worth it.
adolf
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24 May 2013 11:15pm
suck it up girlfriend. At least you are not in prison.

Make the best of your situation, change the little things, take time out to smell the roses. Starting a family is really hard work, you need time out for yourself. Just remember: you are dead a long time - make the most of what you have now.

The mother of all recessions is approaching rapidly, and things are likely to get a lot worse.
smicko
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25 May 2013 12:33am
I ran out of greens on this thread
cisco
cisco
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25 May 2013 2:53am
Sham1984 said..

im nearly 30.. have a decent job and career opportunities.. but honestly I don't love what I do.. I'm fairly miserable at work and it has only gotten worse since I can only surf on weekends now I'm back in the suburbs. the morning and afternoon surf made working a job that was only OK very doable..



If you hate your job but love surfing, Become a pro surfer.

They make lots of money....................don't they?????

FormulaNova
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25 May 2013 7:47am
adolf said..

suck it up girlfriend. At least you are not in prison.

Make the best of your situation, change the little things, take time out to smell the roses. Starting a family is really hard work, you need time out for yourself. Just remember: you are dead a long time - make the most of what you have now.

The mother of all recessions is approaching rapidly, and things are likely to get a lot worse.



You really do think the Liberals will get in, don't you?
bene313
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25 May 2013 2:22pm
adolf said..

The mother of all recessions is approaching rapidly, and things are likely to get a lot worse.



Well we don't actually know that but it is well worth the consideration. There may indeed be a significant change in the labour markets over the next five years, and having a career change may be a romantic idea but far from practical!
rockmagnet
rockmagnet
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25 May 2013 6:29pm
The only major retailer that is opening new stores and creating job opportunities is Masters Home Hardware. About another 120 stores in the pipeline.
Get a resume in and get yourself in front of someone if you can. Find out where the nearest new store is being built near you.I did and really landed on my feet. A really nice work environment and secure work. And no I don't have shares in the company, I just really enjoy my job.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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25 May 2013 6:36pm
adolf said..
The mother of all recessions is approaching rapidly, and things are likely to get a lot worse.


Adolf has of course been saying this since at least 2007, possibly earlier with one of his previous accounts, but that was when I first told him he was wrong. Still waiting for it to happen Adolf...
Phil27
Phil27
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194 posts
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25 May 2013 6:21pm
I can definitely relate to your dilemma...I had been in the same industry for over a decade, bored out of my ass and had no idea or direction of what to do..even moved from wa to nsw to kick start things but didn't happen.
I completed qualifications in project management but nobody was willing to give me a chance with no experience...I also have a kid, mortgage and early 30's.
I was trawling the Internet for jobs and found one as a technical sales engineer which combines my technical background with being out and about, talking with people and building a good customer base which is almost ideal as a job to me. Out and about, technical and chatting sh1t to people. Never thought I would find something I actually like but I have. Options are out there, just look for jobs in fields you want to/think you'd be good at, see what you need to do to get the role ie study or whatever and just jump in. Apply, who cares if you get nothing...you're still in the same place. I applied for 30 jobs recently and over 200 in the last few years (no ****) heard back from this one, interview went well and i and got it. the process is a hard slug but its what must be done.So far so good. I was so fed up that anything would do...this pays better and is more rewarding.
Just get out there and take a chance dude.
Good luck.
seb2
seb2
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231 posts
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26 May 2013 4:41am
Awesome thread. I'm in an inverse situation, Doing what i love with no money or jobs on seek! There must be 6 Industrial design companies in Victoria...
I have to look seriously about financial goals and how to realistically achieve them.
Was being an inner city designer who kites every arvo too good to be true? I've been put on part-time at my job as work has slowed down, I get paid terribly to begin with!. Going to read this thread again in the morning and have a think.
stuk
stuk
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26 May 2013 7:57pm
landyacht said..

I pulled out of a crap job with 4 kids and a mortgage at 36 and worked for myself, some years I dont make enough to even pay tax, but havent regretted any of itbest part is seeing the kids before and after school. after 14 years as my "own boss" I cant imagine having a real job again


Second this one. Another thing is that if you buy into a business ie: buy yourself a job, dependant on what the business is you dont necessarily have to have any qualifications. Think of a lot of the franchised business' and this is the case.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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26 May 2013 8:20pm
stuk said..

landyacht said..

I pulled out of a crap job with 4 kids and a mortgage at 36 and worked for myself, some years I dont make enough to even pay tax, but havent regretted any of itbest part is seeing the kids before and after school. after 14 years as my "own boss" I cant imagine having a real job again


Second this one. Another thing is that if you buy into a business ie: buy yourself a job, dependant on what the business is you dont necessarily have to have any qualifications. Think of a lot of the franchised business' and this is the case.


just dont be fooled into buying a J**s M**wing area as you can start your own ,get happier customers and dont have to hand over the cream of your efforts to a smiley faced man
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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26 May 2013 10:18pm
Sham1984 said..
I don't love what I do..
I'm fairly miserable at work

I have a mortgage, a wife.. kids are on the horizon in the near future..
its fairly depressing..



a new career writing Country and Western songs perhaps?



I am surprised how many here have done it, succeeded and loved it. Take a lot of guts to really make a big change and take pay cut
Sailhack
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27 May 2013 10:32am
^^^ Depends on what you call a "pay cut"? The pay's better IMO The money might not be though, but "money's not everything".
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