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Richiefish
Richiefish
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31 Oct 2007 8:29pm
just saw on news, 100's of dolphins herded up an killed . Horrific terrorfying death. They're at this all the time the pricks.( I like dolphins)
DavMen
DavMen
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31 Oct 2007 9:36pm
When it comes to things like this the Japs are a real bunch of F#ckers.
big gill
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31 Oct 2007 8:27pm
damn bastards
Rex
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31 Oct 2007 9:46pm
Never been to the abators then?
Dawn Patrol
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31 Oct 2007 10:24pm
Its pathetic what we do to stop this. There was a show on 60mins about 2years ago,and i was literally in tears. They fishermen pull up the sharks, get a machette, off go the fins, back in go the sharks, to starve to death.
Although many of us fear them with our water use. They truely are amazing animals. They have been around longer than the dinosaurs, live in all of our oceans, white pointers have been spotted over 1km deep (that is an effing long way). and are just a super animal. perfect at what they are ment to do. eat.
For such a magnificent creature to die (any creature) in this way is disgusting.
At one point one of our navy frigates pull up along side one of the indo's ****heap boats, with it 50cal gun on the front. The fisherman pull out machettes on sticks, and hang the over their boat. WTF. Our guys fired *warning* (****ter) shots. And left because of the danger. Blow the bastards out of the water. Noone will know, noone will care, . It could just be another ship missing at sea. And its what the pricks deserve.
We think we are scared of sharks, yet we kill *MILLIONS* a year, yet we only lose a handful of people to sharks.
Hang the lot of em.
big gill
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31 Oct 2007 10:30pm
Dawn Patrol said...

Its pathetic what we do to stop this. There was a show on 60mins about 2years ago,and i was literally in tears. They fishermen pull up the sharks, get a machette, off go the fins, back in go the sharks, to starve to death.
Although many of us fear them with our water use. They truely are amazing animals. They have been around longer than the dinosaurs, live in all of our oceans, white pointers have been spotted over 1km deep (that is an effing long way). and are just a super animal. perfect at what they are ment to do. eat.
For such a magnificent creature to die (any creature) in this way is disgusting.
At one point one of our navy frigates pull up along side one of the indo's ****heap boats, with it 50cal gun on the front. The fisherman pull out machettes on sticks, and hang the over their boat. WTF. Our guys fired *warning* (****ter) shots. And left because of the danger. Blow the bastards out of the water. Noone will know, noone will care, . It could just be another ship missing at sea. And its what the pricks deserve.
We think we are scared of sharks, yet we kill *MILLIONS* a year, yet we only lose a handful of people to sharks.
Hang the lot of em.




i saw the same 60 mins show, it was too cruel, the gov needs to step in and do something as it is just not on
DL
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1 Nov 2007 12:25am
Dawn Patrol said...

Its pathetic what we do to stop this...


Sharks are not Dolphins
Indonesians are not Japanese
Dawn Patrol
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1 Nov 2007 10:12am
DL said...

Dawn Patrol said...

Its pathetic what we do to stop this...


Sharks are not Dolphins
Indonesians are not Japanese


i know?
Revhead
Revhead
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1 Nov 2007 4:52pm
A cruel death is a cruel death whatever animal is doing the dying, and whatever race is doing the killing.

If I was PM...
big-gazza
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1 Nov 2007 9:45pm
Gives me the ****s also - the Japanese - or at least a certain element of japanese society dont seem to respect dolphins or whales. The way they butcher and hack, in mass slaughter of hundreds of dolphins is an international disgrace - but it doesnt seem to worry them too much. As is their scientific? research into whales - they kill them and study them. Thats why you can buy whale meat in certain japanese restaurants. They found a nice little loop hole in international law that says its OK to kill X amount of whales for research. Good oxymoron that one - Japanese research into whales - no known survivors/ and they taste great as sushi!!
Dawn Patrol
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1 Nov 2007 10:40pm
I remember seeing a picture recently of a HUGE sperm whale, on the back of a truck, just going through the streets of some town. It didnt look unrealistic, there were people watching, and blood and gross stuff everywhere. Im not going to find it as it is gross.
I dont understand how they justify the slaughtering of these animals. Sure someone said ever been to an abitar. No, and i dont intend to. But cows, sheep etc are breed to be eaten. These animals are being removed at an unsustainable rate, and its going to screw our oceans big time.
I am all for the crazy green peace peopple going and interfering with their busniess. I know it might not be illegal, but who gives a ****, it isnt right.
mytchook
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1 Nov 2007 11:45pm
If more countries made it illegal for them to hunt these creatures in their waters than at least that is a start. There is not enough Greenpeace boats to chase after all of the whaling/fishing/research boats that the Japanese have all over the world. It is unfortunate and a real big loss to the oceans.
MintoxGT
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2 Nov 2007 12:18am
It is one of the sadest things to watch, I often turn off media as I feel ill when I see this thing, many years ago I was left sobbing when in Africa poachers hearded approx 30 elephants and started shooting, first the bulls which take some punishment, then the older feamales, then the younger males and feamales and the F)(*^%ing arseholes left the calves scampering around the murder scene screaming for their family that were dying.......

I gotta go, this world is full of greedy selfish parasites............
The Grinch
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2 Nov 2007 12:49am

I like looking at the lambs jammed in the trucks in the 40 degree heat stuck on the Kwinana Freeway! All ready for a 5000km journey.
DL
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2 Nov 2007 12:32pm
I think if you are going to eat meat, it is completely reprehensible to try and ignore where the meat is coming from. 1000s of innocent animals are slaughtered every day, in shocking conditions to satisfy the nation's desire for beef/lamb/chicken/etc.

In my opinion, if you are not prepared to visit an abattior (or slaughter and dress an animal yourself), you have no right to eat meat.
Richiefish
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2 Nov 2007 11:42pm
thats just it. They're not killing them to eat. They kill the dolphins because they're competingfor the fish. The shark killing guys take the fin and release the mutilated shark. Kill it and eat it , thats just fine. It aint no abittior mate.
The Grinch
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3 Nov 2007 1:13am

I think brother Richie, that the right honourable DL is refering to the suffering we put animals through in Australia by eating all those snags and chicken treats.

I can't see the difference in killing dolphins so you can make cash from Tuna or sending lambs thousands of kms away on a very painful journey so you can make cash from selling them.

Lambs/Tuna/Dolphins/chickens all have souls and we're all gonna burn for disrepecting them! And eating too many of them.
According to Buddha!
DL
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3 Nov 2007 1:24am
Thankyou member Grinch. I can see by your portly avatar that your honourable self is not averse to the occasional sausage or two...
Rex
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3 Nov 2007 4:30am
DL said...

I think if you are going to eat meat, it is completely reprehensible to try and ignore where the meat is coming from. 1000s of innocent animals are slaughtered every day, in shocking conditions to satisfy the nation's desire for beef/lamb/chicken/etc.

In my opinion, if you are not prepared to visit an abattior (or slaughter and dress an animal yourself), you have no right to eat meat.



And That was my point about visiting an abator, if we are going to be outraged -then lets not be selectivly outraged. There is a **** load of ugly stuff going on with animals in our own backyard - and we turn a blind eye to that because it tastes good.
Richiefish
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3 Nov 2007 9:15am
definately food for thought
Mark _australia
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3 Nov 2007 10:00am
Which part of an aussie abbatoir is cruel? they don't feel anything as the bolt gun knocks them unconscious.

Try the middle eastern mob who cut the achilles with a machete so they can't run and then take 30 sec to saw thru a cow's throat
Dawn Patrol
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3 Nov 2007 10:27am
The difference is is that the sheep and cows are breed to be eaten. From the minute they were born it was going to be no other way. And you dont have to eat cruelly kept chicken etc. You can buy free ranged stuff.
The dolphins and whales and sharks however are not breed for being eaten. It was not ment to be that way. It is effected their natural population in a very bad way.
And i feel the same for fish as well. Sure they breed them in some parts of the world, but most of the big fish are taken out and are not replaced (they are also bad for you, as mercury levels and other stuff builds up in the animals higher up the food chain because of our input to the ocean). If you've ever watched deadliest catch you will see how much is taken out. Shed loads.
DL
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3 Nov 2007 12:08pm
"bred to be eaten"? That is a dodgy argument.

So if I breed some dogs for the sole purpose of kicking, that makes it ok to kick my dogs because I bred them for that?

Mark: I think that the bolt gun is the most humane way of killing the animals, but I think the cruel part is everything that goes on between the paddock and the bolt. ie: long journeys on trucks and waiting in line to be killed with the smell of death in the air.

But I eat meat and I am happy to accept that this is what is required to provide me with meat. I just get ****ty with people who want to pretend it doesn't happen. If you can't face up to the dirty truth behind your nicely packaged lamb chops on the supermarket shelf, then you don't deserve to eat them.
Steptoes Son
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4 Nov 2007 12:55am
I worked for a time as an apprentice butcher in the late 70s as a lad. The shop was getting a make over so I had to go work in the owners very own abbatior for a coupe of days. He owned several shops in the Adelaide hills area and killed his own meat to supply his business.
The hunchback who worked full time in the slaughter house was quite humane with the animals, and he used to give them a little chat and a pat before he ended their days.
The worst thing was holding the wheelbarrow under the hoisted carcass while the hunchback scooped the 60 odd Kgs of slippery bits into it in a big rush. Near knocked me over the first time. He then would say "right, hehehe (snifff) get the kidneys, liver and heart out of that lot".
I'm not a butcher today, and only worked about another two weeks at the shop. Just found it hard to get the smell from my skin and the image of those animals eyes from my head. Still eat meat but only after a period of vegies post butcher days.
My point is: lifes a bitch. The food chain is a natural thing, and we're part of it. If you don't like whats happening do something positive. Write a letter to the Japs, by a boat and drive it under a whaling vessel, start a movement.
I spent some time in Japan in 2004 and loved the place, the people and their culture.

Couldn't come at the Whale and horse steaks on offer in the resturants though.
NotWal
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4 Nov 2007 1:58am
This's philosophically rich isn't it?

Its interesting that we strive for consistency. Is that just about seeking order? I suppose as soon as you set up a dichotomy of right and wrong then you give yourself the problem of assigning things to each camp and consistency helps that process.

Anyway, I , and I think most people, assign value to the treatment of other animals (animals other than human) on the basis of empathy. The apologists for the meat lobby claim this is irrational and label it pejoratively as anthropomorphism. Which it is. However I think anthropomorphism is not a bad basis for moral judgement. Its flawed but its clear and while not absolutely consistent there is still a pretty good general consensus as to what creature lies where in a hierarchy from bacterium to God. (oops! don't mention the G word). In that hierarchy dolphins and baby Harp seals are more worthy than fish because they have some attributes that appeal to us in a basic limbic way. Baby Harp seals are just fkn gorgeous, and dolphins romp and play and seem to smile while they do. You just know they're having fun. Its totally subjective.
Cruelty is less subjective. You're on firmer ground when you argue on the basis of cruelty.
DL
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4 Nov 2007 1:48am
On that theme NotWal, I once knew a girl who wouldn't eat anything that had a face. *waits for the inevitable sexual innuendo* She thought that if it had a face, she could feel empathy towards it.

So rather than getting caught up in the arguments that vegetarians often get caught up in (why do you eat eggs and not chicken? aren't eggs just really young chickens? if you are against killing animals, why do you eat vegetables that were carried by trucks that killed millions of insects on the way to the supermarket? etc...), she could just say that if it has a face, she will not eat it.

Son of Steptoe: Nice job Did you find that you started noticing that the meat you cooked at home smelt the same as the dying animal? Took me a bit to get over that.
Dooverlacker
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4 Nov 2007 1:55am
Im sooooo not touching this one except to say RE; the sea shepard crew who rammed that japanese whaling vessell are taking things a little too far me thinks. I used to work with one of their crew and he was a sociopathic egomaniac and if the rest of the crew are of the same thinking as him i would susspect that their actions were less about saving whales and more about them. Not only was it stupid and dangerous for both parties it gives the japanese and the other countries wanting to resume whaling ammuniotion for the argument that the only people opposed to whaling are mental left-wing hippies,since noone else is seriously doing anything about it.
Mark _australia
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4 Nov 2007 9:13am
Easy answer to all this is vote Labor.

Peter Garrett will put a stop to greenhouse emissions, mining, whaling (any fishing), people being nasty to aborigines, meat, and any artist producing music in which each song sounds different to the others.

Surfer62
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4 Nov 2007 10:45am
mmmmmmmm dolphin, tastes a lot like baby seal
Dawn Patrol
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4 Nov 2007 11:19am
If vego's are against eating leaving stuff, why do they eat plants?
I thought about this the other day (yes nothing better to do) , and plants were once alive also. They breathe and eat and drink. Just because they dont prance around some paddock all day. Think of the conditions the poor plants live in. Their entire life they are packed together, in rows 30cm apart. They are then torn out of the ground without a care, and left to die slowly.
I love meat so much, that if it was between having no meat and the animals not living nicely, i would chose the meat. They are only packed up for the last leg of the journey arent they? And if you make an effort to purchase meat that got to walk around nicely you could feel better.
I bet the animals die quicker than in the african dessert, when a pack of hyinas are eating their back as it is still alive, and looking around, crying for help. It the food chain, and we happen to be pretty much at the good end of it.
NotWal
NotWal
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4 Nov 2007 2:41pm
Have you thought about minerialetarians Dawny? That's something to aspire to isn't it. Lyin around suckin rocks all day. Err hang on. They're called vegetables aren't they. I wonder if they have moral qualms about the treatment of rocks. Probably not. They aren't bothered by the moralising effects of a cerebral cortex.
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