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28 Sep 2011 4:36pm
doggie said...

SP said...

Hang on I just checked my d.o.b, I'm an adult I can do what I Fu Ken




No pokies here, but beer is exy. You guy can have you pokies, I hate the ****in things [}:)]

Keep the bastards (pokies) out of WA imo [}:)]


I hate the bastards to, and I would not mind seeing them gone at all, at least cut down. I don't deny they are the main problem over this way with people just rolling paychecks through them every week. But gambling for most people is simple fun, would we ban everything that scares or can cause harm?
They also on a side note pretty much killed live music in NSW, lots of places removed stages to put in pokies.

Heres a question.. taking it to far....What if... Over the next 15 yr skin cancer becomes our biggest killer, will being exposed to the sun be barred....

doggie
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28 Sep 2011 5:03pm
SP said...

doggie said...

SP said...

Hang on I just checked my d.o.b, I'm an adult I can do what I Fu Ken




No pokies here, but beer is exy. You guy can have you pokies, I hate the ****in things [}:)]

Keep the bastards (pokies) out of WA imo [}:)]


I hate the bastards to, and I would not mind seeing them gone at all, at least cut down. I don't deny they are the main problem over this way with people just rolling paychecks through them every week. But gambling for most people is simple fun, would we ban everything that scares or can cause harm?
They also on a side note pretty much killed live music in NSW, lots of places removed stages to put in pokies.

Heres a question.. taking it to far....What if... Over the next 15 yr skin cancer becomes our biggest killer, will being exposed to the sun be barred....




I play poker with my mates on a Sunday arvo $20 a head games ect, I dont have a problem with gambling as such. I just hate pokie machines
SandS
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28 Sep 2011 7:34pm

It is a shame that the gambling bug has taken over like it has .

Would have been nice to leave betting for the horse races only ,on track and with sp,s in back alleys .

pokies have been in NSW clubs for decades , should have left them there ! thanks to Joan Kirner one of our ex "prems", Victoria has now got a problem also.

those pokies [ " one armed bandits" ] have ruined many a hotels ambience in Victoria.

also dragged down some crew financially , making it too easy to fritter their money away . and feather the nests of the mr bigs of the pokies scene .








laceys lane
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28 Sep 2011 7:42pm
had a mate addicted to gambling-stole, lied, cheated, begged, borrowed.

his favourite line- i was almost going to back him.



sure gave us all the s####, so it does affect other people
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28 Sep 2011 6:34pm
doggie said...
I hate the bastards to, and I would not mind seeing them gone at all, at least cut down. I don't deny they are the main problem over this way with people just rolling paychecks through them every week. But gambling for most people is simple fun, would we ban everything that scares or can cause harm?
They also on a side note pretty much killed live music in NSW, lots of places removed stages to put in pokies.

Heres a question.. taking it to far....What if... Over the next 15 yr skin cancer becomes our biggest killer, will being exposed to the sun be barred....




I play poker with my mates on a Sunday arvo $20 a head games ect, I dont have a problem with gambling as such. I just hate pokie machines


Yeah I agree completely, i think in the most part they are just pure evil money sucking black holes but What I object to is the new laws, if I wanna put a few bucks in the pokies with the boys on a night out, I can't, I have to basically disclose everything including when I last shat before I can be deemed mature and responsible enough to put my own hard earned into what I choose, I think this will be the tip of the iceberg and any gambling, sports and horse included will become subject to these laws.

The main issue is highlighted again by Lacey, his mate was an addict if he was addicted to booze, the dak dak or whatever his vice was his behavior would I assume be the same because he has an illness and yes gambling may have been how it surfaced but it could easily be something else. I know someone who did rehab for gambling only to replace it with another vice

I think the real issue is the recent explosion in availability of being able to bet, the range of markets available, the continual promotion of it in the media and almost the acceptance that with sports and betting go hand in hand now. In the long run I think problem gambling will become a massive issue cause people growing up now will just see it as part and parcel of life but I don't think it should be banned or subject to prohibition just better legislated by the government.

Anyway im off to load up my life savings on federer at $1.03, suck back a few beers and maybe light up a stinkin big cancerous cigar if I win cause it is fun
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28 Sep 2011 7:06pm
SP said...





I think the real issue is the recent explosion in availability of being able to bet, the range of markets available, the continual promotion of it in the media and almost the acceptance that with sports and betting go hand in hand now. In the long run I think problem gambling will become a massive issue cause people growing up now will just see it as part and parcel of life but I don't think it should be banned or subject to prohibition just better legislated by the government.



Agree!

I have just read the full thread with some interest... Gambling does not interest me in the least - not even an office sweep for the Melb. Cup... [but that's probably more to do with me having zero interest in horse racing].

I occasionally buy a lotto ticket and once a year may go to the casino - but with a modest limit and I usually walk away with that gone within an hour

What I have noticed now though is the incessant advertising on TV... it's well out of hand... you can't help but notice it. I think it needs to be either cut right back or put in a 11:00pm or later time slot...
laceys lane
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28 Sep 2011 9:51pm
what really gets on my goat is watching any footy game and these geezers keep coming up with the odds and what's hot etc. not to mention the half time betting report - p### off

i don't know how the afl and arl bosses live with them selfs. it just appalling.



totally sold out the miserable bastards



ps. btw i really like it when they say welcome back after a ad break- I DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE
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28 Sep 2011 8:16pm
laceys lane said...

what really gets on my goat is watching any footy game and these geezers keep coming up with the odds and what's hot etc. not to mention the half time betting report - p### off

i don't know how the afl and arl bosses live with them selfs. it just appalling.



totally sold out the miserable bastards



ps. btw i really like it when they say welcome back after a ad break- I DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE


Agree 100% and I like betting on sport but never had a bet when I see live odds, it has just become a revenue source for the game and a product placement opportunity for tv networks, how is it when they slide the TAB guy in and portray him as part of the broadcast, pure money grabbing vile.
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28 Sep 2011 10:20pm
Ados said...

Mobydisc said...

Why should anyone or any organisation be able to tell someone whether they should gamble or not?

Yes gambling can be a problem for some people. I think the current pokie 'reforms' being proposed by the Wilkie and taken up by the federal ALP are anything but reforms. Its just more regulation in an increasingly regulated state.

What I'd like to see on pokies to display how much they've paid out compared to how much they have collected. This data would also updated in real time and published on a website.

This would allow punters to look at different machines and see whether they were worth playing. A machine that had taken in $200K and only paid out $20K wouldn't be a machine most people would want to play. Players could also go to the site and then see which machines and venues are greedy. Competition would increase between pubs and clubs to get the best balance between taking and giving. People would be less likely to go to venues where they will be ripped off. If all the venues are rip offs and people still play, then as fair as I was aware I was born in a reasonably free country where some politician can't tell people how to run their life.


Attempts to ban or restrict gambling usually fail. Some people will gamble no matter what. The only reason its regulated now is for governments to make their money. They are probably the biggest beneficiaries of gambling.





Firstly you are assuming that 'punters' all have access to the internet and would actually be bothered looking up this information.

Secondly, what you are proposing would in fact encourage more gambling whereby 'punters' can hone down on to the place that gives the most return. so far from discouraging gambling, it promotes it in a more attractive way.

Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, pathological gambling is recognised in modern medicine as a disease - have a read here :

www.library.ca.gov/crb/reports/

Have you ever been to a TAB? you don't normally see people running around joyfully and having a whale of a time...

I have heard, first hand, some of the horrible stories of people addicted to gambling. casinos, pubs, TAB etc deal in misery IMHO


Payout ratios are regulated, I think each machine is programmed to payout (if I remember it) something like 80%.

Agree that its not about stats or rational behaviour, addittion is about emotional behaviour. The industry targets these people and seek to profit from the misfortune of others like a pimp or drug dealer.
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28 Sep 2011 8:21pm
smoking, pokies

same thing
addictive, money generating, the money spend on the result such as addiction and health are much lower than the income/jobs/tax generated

the majority of crew that get addicted arent wealthy politicians
f'in hate pokies/polies please dont let them come to wa

ockanui spot on
kiteboy dave
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28 Sep 2011 10:23pm
Mobydisc said...

Why should anyone or any organisation be able to tell someone whether they should gamble or not?

Yes gambling can be a problem for some people. I think the current pokie 'reforms' being proposed by the Wilkie and taken up by the federal ALP are anything but reforms. Its just more regulation in an increasingly regulated state.

What I'd like to see on pokies to display how much they've paid out compared to how much they have collected. This data would also updated in real time and published on a website.

This would allow punters to look at different machines and see whether they were worth playing. A machine that had taken in $200K and only paid out $20K wouldn't be a machine most people would want to play. Players could also go to the site and then see which machines and venues are greedy. Competition would increase between pubs and clubs to get the best balance between taking and giving. People would be less likely to go to venues where they will be ripped off. If all the venues are rip offs and people still play, then as fair as I was aware I was born in a reasonably free country where some politician can't tell people how to run their life.


Attempts to ban or restrict gambling usually fail. Some people will gamble no matter what. The only reason its regulated now is for governments to make their money. They are probably the biggest beneficiaries of gambling.




Its just more regulation in an increasingly regulated state.
Some regulations are good. This one has no down side.

This data would also updated in real time and published on a website.
This would allow punters to look at different machines and see whether they were worth playing.

If I flip a coin and get heads 15 times in a row, then I go to flip a coin again, I still have a 50-50 chance of getting heads. This is how pokies work. Real time stats would give you ZERO useable info.

Competition would increase between pubs and clubs to get the best balance between taking and giving
The machines have a chip that is set to pay back a certain level (~90%). It cannot be changed without changing the chip. Pubs/clubs can't adjust their level.

A machine that had taken in $200K and only paid out $20K wouldn't be a machine most people would want to play.
I would have thought that was the opposite to how most pokie losers think.

People would be less likely to go to venues where they will be ripped off
No they wouldn't, they get ripped off at ALL OF THEM and they still go and feed their money in.

Attempts to ban or restrict gambling usually fail. Some people will gamble no matter what.
Oh well lets just give up and let them have at it then.


I think the current pokie 'reforms' being proposed by the Wilkie and taken up by the federal ALP are anything but reforms. Its just more regulation in an increasingly regulated state...
....The only reason its regulated now is for governments to make their money. They are probably the biggest beneficiaries of gambling.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't? Why not just say the usual 'I hate the government and anything they do is wrong'.

getfunky
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29 Sep 2011 12:50am
SP said...

Hang on I just checked my d.o.b, I'm an adult I can do what I Fu Ken like be that drink gamble smoke or even drive a bit faster than the sped limit, yes there are consequences and as an adult I can understand them and will deal with them. For god sake.... Gambling drinking smoking... All bad but largest source of revenue for the government and not harmful in moderation... Yes addiction is an Illness and the suffers need help but don't impinge on my rights as an average person...

& that ice smack argument is just a mute point there is a demonstrable health and social effect from these drugs for all parts of the community. Gambling smoking drinking, yes it affect some people in the community but by no means all and the effects and results in the majority of instances of these activities have no effect on anyone other than the participant.

& that pokie card thing is just one person with a bit of power because our voting system has thrown up an anomaly.. Independents in control,therefore one person can use this power to lever Julia into agreeing what they want in return for a vote on something else.. This legislation is not the only one... Look at any of the bills put up by an independent, usually self serving to there beliefs, electorate or just to being re elected.

Introducing the pokie law will mean licensed clubs no longer will be able to contribute to the communities they are in. This means community programs, sporting clubs, knitting clubs and any other community group receiving donation will lose funds and your community will suffer.. Who will replace the funding... Governments. You by donating.....






So the guy defending the betting regime is called SP.. ironic?


Fact is SP gamblers do lie, steal, cheat and fk other's lives up (like mine) to feed their addictions.. just like drug addicts.

Addiction is the drug. Same for grog, smokes, smack whatever..


If hulking great RSLs with 5 stories of discos/bistros/bimbos can't stand on their own two feet (and put a piddling of their multi-million profits back into the community) without feeding off addicted gamblers - and lets be honest here that is their gravy train - then they shouldn't exist. Full stop.

The parasitic reliance on clubs/pokey funding has raged out of control for far too long and know no-one knows how to take on the giant blood sucking leach with tentacles in every aspect of govt..


That pokey card thing is an independant NOT taking lobbyist money/influence, like the majors, and standing up for a belief and a policy he had the balls to stand for and be voted in on.. that's what that is SP.


We are so lucky not to have one-armed bandits in WA. However that is a small victory as anyone with a smart phone is a couple of clicks away from addiction.


Nobody has a problem with a alco/drunk being cut off at the bar or bottle shop. It is law in fact.

Why is the powerful lobby behind the betting industry so against a voluntary self limiting system etc?? Let alone any non-voluntary protection for addictive gamblers..

I'm sure they want the best thing for their loyal customers after all..[}:)]


Makes me shudder to see the 'humour' in the betting ads saturating the teev. The ads show the addict-like gamblers tapping away convulsively on anything in the vicinity or going to ridiculous extremes to get a bet on!

That's the betting companies portaying their own customer base..

Is that not saying anything to anyone else


SomeOtherGuy
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29 Sep 2011 9:52am
SP said...

What I object to is the new laws, if I wanna put a few bucks in the pokies with the boys on a night out, I can't, I have to basically disclose everything including when I last shat before I can be deemed mature and responsible enough to put my own hard earned into what I choose, I think this will be the tip of the iceberg and any gambling, sports and horse included will become subject to these laws.


What new laws? There ARE no new laws! There's some people in parliament talking about the issue and possible things that could be done. You've been sucked in by the clubs FUD* campaign.

*FUD: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Sometimes used to good effect by major corporations. The miners come to mind.
Ados
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29 Sep 2011 12:56pm
Toots said...

We are creatures of habit. I just kicked a 25 year smoking habit, been off the Blue Heavens now for 14 months. I cant really bag another for their addictions or what they are, an addiction is an addiction, I used to be addicted to surfing too.
You probably have to look at the causes of the addictions if they are profoundly unhealthy as its a releif strategy stemming from a root cause, the addiction is a symptom.

I see the wisdom in both sides of the argument, however keep in mind the old edicts of democracy are to keep us fed and entertained while the club of Rome do their evil deeds.


Hey ya Toots.
That is true. I also gave up smoking years ago and remember how hard it was. I don't judge as I know someone very close to me who is an alcoholic and struggling because she refuses to get help. we do as much as we can but its difficult.
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29 Sep 2011 5:59pm
getfunky said...

SP said...

Hang on I just checked my d.o.b, I'm an adult I can do what I Fu Ken like be that drink gamble smoke or even drive a bit faster than the sped limit, yes there are consequences and as an adult I can understand them and will deal with them. For god sake.... Gambling drinking smoking... All bad but largest source of revenue for the government and not harmful in moderation... Yes addiction is an Illness and the suffers need help but don't impinge on my rights as an average person...

& that ice smack argument is just a mute point there is a demonstrable health and social effect from these drugs for all parts of the community. Gambling smoking drinking, yes it affect some people in the community but by no means all and the effects and results in the majority of instances of these activities have no effect on anyone other than the participant.

& that pokie card thing is just one person with a bit of power because our voting system has thrown up an anomaly.. Independents in control,therefore one person can use this power to lever Julia into agreeing what they want in return for a vote on something else.. This legislation is not the only one... Look at any of the bills put up by an independent, usually self serving to there beliefs, electorate or just to being re elected.

Introducing the pokie law will mean licensed clubs no longer will be able to contribute to the communities they are in. This means community programs, sporting clubs, knitting clubs and any other community group receiving donation will lose funds and your community will suffer.. Who will replace the funding... Governments. You by donating.....








So the guy defending the betting regime is called SP.. ironic? Ha ha,


Fact is SP gamblers do lie, steal, cheat and fk other's lives up (like mine) to feed their addictions.. just like drug addicts. I think I made this point.....

Addiction is the drug. Same for grog, smokes, smack whatever..


If hulking great RSLs with 5 stories of discos/bistros/bimbos can't stand on their own two feet (and put a piddling of their multi-million profits back into the community) without feeding off addicted gamblers - and lets be honest here that is their gravy train - then they shouldn't exist. Full stop. I agree pokies are

The parasitic reliance on clubs/pokey funding has raged out of control for far too long and know no-one knows how to take on the giant blood sucking leach with tentacles in every aspect of govt..


That pokey card thing is an independant NOT taking lobbyist money/influence, like the majors, and standing up for a belief and a policy he had the balls to stand for and be voted in on.. that's what that is SP.


We are so lucky not to have one-armed bandits in WA. However that is a small victory as anyone with a smart phone is a couple of clicks away from addiction.


Nobody has a problem with a alco/drunk being cut off at the bar or bottle shop. It is law in fact.

Why is the powerful lobby behind the betting industry so against a voluntary self limiting system etc?? Let alone any non-voluntary protection for addictive gamblers..

I'm sure they want the best thing for their loyal customers after all..[}:)]


Makes me shudder to see the 'humour' in the betting ads saturating the teev. The ads show the addict-like gamblers tapping away convulsively on anything in the vicinity or going to ridiculous extremes to get a bet on!

That's the betting companies portaying their own customer base..

Is that not saying anything to anyone else





I'll assume you have a short attention span read one post and spouted off your half formed opinion... And sorry to the other guy I should have put proposed in front of law. As for your other points they were made earlier, so thanks for recycling them.
adolf
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29 Sep 2011 9:37pm
Toots said...

We are creatures of habit. I just kicked a 25 year smoking habit, been off the Blue Heavens now for 14 months. I cant really bag another for their addictions or what they are, an addiction is an addiction, I used to be addicted to surfing too.
You probably have to look at the causes of the addictions if they are profoundly unhealthy as its a releif strategy stemming from a root cause, the addiction is a symptom.

I see the wisdom in both sides of the argument, however keep in mind the old edicts of democracy are to keep us fed and entertained while the club of Rome do their evil deeds.

+1
If you don't take risks you don't live. If f'heads think taking a risk is pressing a button on a pokie that's his/her problem.

If the world didn't have losers, there would be no such thing as winners!
getfunky
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30 Sep 2011 12:53am
SP said...

getfunky said...

SP said...

Hang on I just checked my d.o.b, I'm an adult I can do what I Fu Ken like be that drink gamble smoke or even drive a bit faster than the sped limit, yes there are consequences and as an adult I can understand them and will deal with them. For god sake.... Gambling drinking smoking... All bad but largest source of revenue for the government and not harmful in moderation... Yes addiction is an Illness and the suffers need help but don't impinge on my rights as an average person...

& that ice smack argument is just a mute point there is a demonstrable health and social effect from these drugs for all parts of the community. Gambling smoking drinking, yes it affect some people in the community but by no means all and the effects and results in the majority of instances of these activities have no effect on anyone other than the participant.

& that pokie card thing is just one person with a bit of power because our voting system has thrown up an anomaly.. Independents in control,therefore one person can use this power to lever Julia into agreeing what they want in return for a vote on something else.. This legislation is not the only one... Look at any of the bills put up by an independent, usually self serving to there beliefs, electorate or just to being re elected.

Introducing the pokie law will mean licensed clubs no longer will be able to contribute to the communities they are in. This means community programs, sporting clubs, knitting clubs and any other community group receiving donation will lose funds and your community will suffer.. Who will replace the funding... Governments. You by donating.....








So the guy defending the betting regime is called SP.. ironic? Ha ha,


Fact is SP gamblers do lie, steal, cheat and fk other's lives up (like mine) to feed their addictions.. just like drug addicts. I think I made this point.....

Addiction is the drug. Same for grog, smokes, smack whatever..


If hulking great RSLs with 5 stories of discos/bistros/bimbos can't stand on their own two feet (and put a piddling of their multi-million profits back into the community) without feeding off addicted gamblers - and lets be honest here that is their gravy train - then they shouldn't exist. Full stop. I agree pokies are

The parasitic reliance on clubs/pokey funding has raged out of control for far too long and know no-one knows how to take on the giant blood sucking leach with tentacles in every aspect of govt..


That pokey card thing is an independant NOT taking lobbyist money/influence, like the majors, and standing up for a belief and a policy he had the balls to stand for and be voted in on.. that's what that is SP.


We are so lucky not to have one-armed bandits in WA. However that is a small victory as anyone with a smart phone is a couple of clicks away from addiction.


Nobody has a problem with a alco/drunk being cut off at the bar or bottle shop. It is law in fact.

Why is the powerful lobby behind the betting industry so against a voluntary self limiting system etc?? Let alone any non-voluntary protection for addictive gamblers..

I'm sure they want the best thing for their loyal customers after all..[}:)]


Makes me shudder to see the 'humour' in the betting ads saturating the teev. The ads show the addict-like gamblers tapping away convulsively on anything in the vicinity or going to ridiculous extremes to get a bet on!

That's the betting companies portaying their own customer base..

Is that not saying anything to anyone else





I'll assume you have a short attention span read one post and spouted off your half formed opinion... And sorry to the other guy I should have put proposed in front of law. As for your other points they were made earlier, so thanks for recycling them.


Well i'm not sure i repeated too much there SP.

Having experienced 1st hand what addicted gamblers do to those around them I would say my opinion has been formed completely and for a long time now.

Righto you have said you are against some forms of betting etc.

I think it is misguided to criticise Wilkie as he is one of the very few willing to NOT take the free lunch and stand against a very powerful, very crooked empire feeding off addiction and human misery.

My hat's off to him

And 5:1 odds he gets rolled by the big players on the take.
kiteboy dave
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16 Oct 2011 7:10pm
oh the irony..
ockanui
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16 Oct 2011 8:41pm
andea 11, that is one shocking pimp from an anonymous individual you should be ashamed
BulldogPup
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16 Oct 2011 5:42pm
Jesus .. now we got pop-up advertising in da house ... how much they giving ya luv?
chrispychru
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16 Oct 2011 8:43pm
i write now having lost $50 it looks on the aussies beating the all blacks i love playing black jack,love it,i do know the odds are not in my favour but i have fun yet i have a mate who designs poker machine programs and in his words.... we use the crap music as you say because old peoples minds are like kids, in the sense that kids like nursery rhymes the old people love the music especially in what seems like a big win but it is just a high tune that makes them feel like it is great and a winner i then asked about him about not the oldies..... he laughed... most people that gamble on pokies are from low income areas and are not the brightest. he said the music and the graphics appeal to them as well, throw in the chance they might get rich you are on a good program. he then told me you have more chance winning lotto then the major prize while betting the maximum limit..wtf. i think i would much prefer to get wet, have a few beers and nail my missus than siiting in front of a mind numbing box stealing money of me and playing crap tunes yet i have some smart rich mates who will do the opposite..go figure
Simondo
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16 Oct 2011 9:59pm
For me, I hate to lose money / give money away...

Sports Advertising.... Cigarettes were banned, Beer and other Alcohol moved in as the next biggest sponsors group... That was banned... Betting moved in...

I think Betting Advertising will have to go too....

I think it's a shame... I love Mathematics, and I love to see what odds are on offer, even though I only lay a punt about 2 times per year. I love to see the odds though... And I love to watch the odds move as time progresses....

I guess I can still monitor the odds once they are banned from advertising....

I'm a little bit against banning things though.... Once Betting Advertising is banned, there will be something else to take its place....
chrispychru
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16 Oct 2011 9:01pm
^^^^^ yeh, prescription drugs
Simondo
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16 Oct 2011 10:07pm
Protecting People From Gambling.... Rather than ban the advertising.... Perhaps "all" gamblers need to gamble through either;
- Drivers License
- Government Gambling Card
(both linked to your Tax File Number - Tax File Link is only for a reference point of Annual Salary / Wage...).

Bugger it, that will NEVER WORK! It will only enhance SP Book Making...

Ban Alcohol, or even try and limit alcohol sales to individuals.... The individuals will move straight over to Home Brew Beer, Home Brew Spirits,... MoonShine.... etc etc...
Simondo
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16 Oct 2011 10:10pm
^^^^ That's a funny story Chrispy. I was only responding to Ock's original post... Just read you recent reply now.
ockanui
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16 Oct 2011 10:16pm
about 1hr ago andre11 posted some blatant advertising for gambling sites, first time post and it turns out to be a pimp, must have been deleted by seabreeze management
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