In WA....you can feel you are right because the speed or time or date was not written on the infringement...or it was wrong or they have written the wrong address on the infringement...but in WA it's not worth the dollars to contest anything like this..

If one done doesn't dot the I's and cross the T's, then the paper work is inaccurate. Should you contest it in court, you may have a chance that it would be thrown out as the officer is not going to remember the actual speed (how many infringements would be done in a day/week/month?). If there is an element of doubt then the outcome maybe favourable.

I would contest it before even thinking of going to court, contact the issuing Gov Dept and demand an explanation of what speed you were doing and how many points would be lost etc. They may? cancel the whole thing rather than making the issuing officer / Gov Dept look like fools.

If you get no where with them give 'Today Tonight' a call they LOVE stories like this... BUT you need to be proactive before the due fine payment date, if you wait your options will reduce greatly.

^^^^^ yep...good luck with that^^^^

This issue has been bought up before many many times on the radio with Karl O'Callaghan, he has stated that you have 2 good choices with turning over an infringement that has been wrongly written...manly because the person that will be there with you in court is the officer that gave you the ticket......your 2 choices off course are non and buckleys...but hey....as I said that's in WA

It maybe that because you were just over and you were in the zone where they only slug you with a fine (no demerits), they're not required to state the speed they clocked you at.

They may only need to describe the nature of the offence and state the "speeding zone" you were in?

Pay up , get it over with and cop it sweet - shiz happens

If details are incorrect take it to the cop shop. A ticket dated incorrectly is "thrown away", so incorrect details such as your ticket are invalid. The cops know this and that it is pointless going to court.

stuk said...

There is only a requirement for the issuing officer to indicate which "bracket"your speed fell into, IE: below 10kmh, 10-20kmh over etc. There is no provision or requirement to indicate the actual speed your vehicles speed was checked at.

I am sure if you were paying attention at the time you would have been told in no uncertain terms the speed you were travelling at when detected.

But go down the cop shop and check any way, can't hurt and is free

Many years ago I was pinged by a multinova,as in the above case- just barely over the limit. The car I was driving was brand new, but the speedo had failed (which the dealership admitted to and gave me a Stat. Dec. accepting all liability for)
I went to the camera section and got told - rather impolitely, "tough $**t sunshine- the fine stands, so p**s off and stop wasting my time"
Not being too impressed with the attitude, I elected to go to court.

Magistrate would not accept the Stat. Dec. and reckoned that without a speedo the vehicle should have been towed to the dealership the fine was declared legit, and I had to pay court costs.
My total cost of fine and court fees was $130
However, the Police had to bring in:
-the bloke who operated the multinova,
-the Police car driver and passenger that were used to calibrate the multinova,
-the boss of the camera section,
-the bloke that prepared and serviced the multinova,
-the Police officer that issued me the summons,
-2 police/public servants (I cant remember what or why they were involved)

My case had been the last of the day, I spent 6 hours sitting happily across the waiting room from all these rather unimpressed fellas who were not very happy about being in court.
I found that there was AT LEAST a full days worth of paperwork and preparation for each bloke involved in the case- and that 1 had been flown down from the northwest and put up in a Perth hotel for 4 days!

OK- I lost the case- fair enough, I accept the umpires cal.
but who really lost?

my cost= $130
Police legal system= $??????????????????

stephen

sn said...

OK- I lost the case- fair enough, I accept the umpires cal.
but who really lost?

my cost= $130
Police legal system= $??????????????????

stephen

Awesome, you wasted the time of several police who could have been doing productive work and you cost Large flat white with an extra shot please. Patrick taxpayers a bucket. But it's not your fault?

But you didn't go over his head. You took it to court, they are totally different.

An old mate used to say he always factors in 1 speeding fine per year;
- Rego
- Insurance
- 1 fine
Besides, petrol, food, rent/home loan, wife/girlfriend, kid(s), and car depreciation are infinitely more expensive that 1 measly fine!

Simondo said...

BulldogPup said...

Pay up , get it over with and cop it sweet - shiz happens

+1
Shiz happens. Move on and do something more productive... Get out on the water, or give your girl a massage and you might even get reproductive!

PS - Yes a few clicks over limit and fine is total BS... I got caught out a few months back by a wicked looking HSV Holden Wagon Cop Car, but it was unmarked, all black, black tinted windows... I didn't pick him out... Saw him in my rear view and thought absolutely nothing of it... Then the lights and siren went... discretely mounted lights within the dashboard, and within the headlights... Flashing lights everywhere... I was dumbfounded on how they could conceal the light so well!

Over here the fuzzlads have hot sixes at best , unless someone can tell us otherwise that is - usually tell em a mile away although I see some decent alloys on some cars these days .... the (good) WA wallopers getting a bit jazzed up
WA would never get HSV paddy wagons - all the bad buggers would steal 'em or deliberately get busted to get taken for a spin hahaha

^^ Fair bump, bad form by the dude behind the counter though. Shame it turned into something bigger than it needed to be because he was a dick.

My mum had a similar problem dealing with that office last year, she got snapped doing 87 in a 70 zone down Mandurah way, but she swears the camera was in the 90 zone. She was nice as pie and played the game and sought verification that the camera was in the correct location. She tried hard to have it resolved prior to getting to court but ended up taking it to trial. The prosecutor approached her right before the trial and saw on the file she tried to resolve it before hand, he was given the info she had been requesting and was able to show it to her before trial. She realized the mistake was hers and pled guilty and copped her fine. The prosecutor and magistrate were apparently great, but it never needed to get that far.

That Infringement Office must get so many tossers walking up those stairs and in the front door that they have to wear a thick suit of armour to deal with all the BS. Unfortunately the genuine/honest mistakes have to battle the same armour and often walk away frustrated.

thanks all for your opinions. Just out of interest, there was a line of traffic doing the same speed as me, and the policeman decided I was the one he was going to point the gun at, everyone else got away with it. I had just had root canal surgery and was in lots of pain so wasnt watching my speedo, just travelling behind a car in front. but once again, thanks for all your opinions.
Im going to phone and ask.