08 Naish kites a sneak preview

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Saffer
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7 Jun 2007 8:39pm
Wow, they had the right design (or did they?) and they still couldn't get it to work. doesn't say much about them does it? Oh, wait, they were thinking of doona's which is why it didn't work...
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7 Jun 2007 7:12pm
quote:
Originally posted by Saffer

Wow, they had the right design (or did they?) and they still couldn't get it to work. doesn't say much about them does it? Oh, wait, they were thinking of matresses which is why it didn't work...




Please don't refer to arcs as "mattresses"

The current accepted term is "doona"
colinwill78
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8 Jun 2007 11:19pm
"doona" is just an accepted term for a brand of continental quilt, (a bit like the hoover is actually a vacuume cleaner.)

but i agree they are more like quilts than mattresses.

.......why the F&^k am i talking about doonas. How cool is this new Naish kite. I can't wait for the second generation helix.
Saffer
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9 Jun 2007 12:28am
quote:
Originally posted by colinwill78

"doona" is just an accepted term for a brand of continental quilt, (a bit like the hoover is actually a vacuume cleaner.)

but i agree they are more like quilts than mattresses.

.......why the F&^k am i talking about doonas. How cool is this new Naish kite. I can't wait for the second generation helix.



Second generation? Why wait? someone has to buy the first generation, so buy it and I'll wait for your thoughts when you've bought it, if its not good I'll wait for second generation and save myself the money now
colinwill78
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9 Jun 2007 6:54pm
go ya halves then....... i'll have it for the first 12 months.
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9 Jun 2007 4:55pm
I'm hanging out for Helix '09
airush geoff
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9 Jun 2007 9:08pm
Looks cool- would be interesting to see how they have constructed the leading edge as the bends would possibly create stress points.
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10 Jun 2007 7:40am
quote:
Originally posted by airush geoff

Looks cool- would be interesting to see how they have constructed the leading edge as the bends would possibly create stress points.



Good point!
They look like that is where they would break.
Saffer
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10 Jun 2007 1:06pm
From what I have head they have been beefed up quite heavily and the break points add a lot of rigidity to the leading edge.
dave......
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10 Jun 2007 2:49pm
Ok back to waveslaves relaunch issue. Having this concave leading edge when down in the water would in theory lower the surface tension as there is less area touching. It could help the kite pivot on the corners for easier relaunching, as the air would be able to escape under the leading edge minimizing oversheeting.

As far as stability in the air, the concave leading edge rather than the convex leading edge could help lessen inverting.....(in theory)
Im interested............. Doe people out there really give a toss what it looks like over how it flys?
poor relative
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10 Jun 2007 2:58pm
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Doe people out there really give a toss what it looks like over how it flys


If it aint pink i dont wanna know.
dave......
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10 Jun 2007 4:54pm
Oh you rebel..
Charl dv
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10 Jun 2007 10:07pm
sounds interesting, i wonder if its gona pull like a tank when unhooked like Bows do? hmmm soon 2 find out then just outa interest
Saffer
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11 Jun 2007 12:41am
Here is more news from kiteforum...for Naish to be putting ALL their resources into this one kite they must be pretty confident. 4 kites using the same tech, only one C kite...thats a big chance to take if the design doesn't work as planned.

Naish mentioned that Geo-Tech and Sigma concepts are patent pending:

Naish 08 has 5 Kites:

Helix ( Sigma Shape, Geo-Tech, Octopus, SLE Control Sys ) - Replacement for the Shockwave!

Cult ( Sigma Shape, Geo-Tech, Octopus, SLE Control Sys ) - Replacement for the Boxer!

Code ( Sigma Shape, Geo-Tech, SLE Control Sys ) - Replacement for the X1

Alliance ( Sigma Shape, Geo-Tech, Octopus, Shift System ) - 5 Line Sigma kite, Replacement for the Raven

Torch ( Octopus, Shift System, Double Depower )

Also in regards to turning, the Sigma kite flexes from the center during turns : which enables the rider to turn the kite at any speed with absolute control. The Sigma leading edge produces a hing pint at the center of the kite unlike conventional kites that use normaly 30% for turning.
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11 Jun 2007 9:50am
The kite moves by changing the profile of separate wings like a bird? How did they think of that?
Very interesting concept.....Could make the kite fast, yet with 2 uplift pockets make it stable as well????
A kite company could make em look like inflatable birds, teradactyls, manta rays, dragons (for the kids)
890Falcon
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11 Jun 2007 3:21pm
This could make or break Naish, if its a winner it might be the end of the Bow Market and the start of the next revolution in kiting, if its not it could be another stinkfish.

Must be alot nervous kite companies out there.
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11 Jun 2007 1:37pm
Could just be another kite !

I think most people are over the "Bestest,Greatest,radicalist,Latest,easiest,make every other kite obsolete" talk up.
Saffer
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11 Jun 2007 3:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by danza

This could make or break Naish, if its a winner it might be the end of the Bow Market and the start of the next revolution in kiting, if its not it could be another stinkfish.

Must be alot nervous kite companies out there.



I suspect you're right, I think there are probably a lot of nervous companies and if it doesn't work, I think Naish is pretty much dead in the water, but for a company to take that much of a chance on the kites (4 models following this new design including a replacement of the raven) they must think its the way to go. The last time someone did that was Cabrinha with the first bow release.
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11 Jun 2007 5:26pm
quote:
Originally posted by Saffer

quote:
Originally posted by danza

This could make or break Naish, if its a winner it might be the end of the Bow Market and the start of the next revolution in kiting, if its not it could be another stinkfish.

Must be alot nervous kite companies out there.



I suspect you're right, I think there are probably a lot of nervous companies and if it doesn't work, I think Naish is pretty much dead in the water, but for a company to take that much of a chance on the kites (4 models following this new design including a replacement of the raven) they must think its the way to go. The last time someone did that was Cabrinha with the first bow release.





Naish pretty much dead in the water if this fails??? Yeah good comment, well researched, what like Best after they went out on a limb with the Hellfish, it failed everyone said they would go into liquidation, then they come out bigger and better than ever with the Waroo, do you know who runs Naish and their history. And for Gods sake stop copying and pasting comments from kiteforum and pretending they are your own comments.
Saffer
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11 Jun 2007 6:00pm
quote:
Originally posted by Bowski
And for Gods sake stop copying and pasting comments from kiteforum and pretending they are your own comments.



Why so stroppy? The post clearly says "Here is more news from kiteforum". I'm hardly pretending they are my own. If you want to know why this forum turns nasty all the time its because of comments like these. [}:)]

Where I haven't specified where the information is from (i.e. kiteforum), it has come from a Naish guy I know who is currently in Maui.

Best went out on a limb with 1 kite, not their entire range - slight difference. Naish has gone out on a limb with their entire range bar one kite. Researched? Hardly, its called opinion, but having most of your range fail is likely to have a massive impact, ask wipika. Do you know runs Cabrinha? It was well know that Cabrinha took a risk with the bow concept and had it failed it would have created massive financial problems for them. In the competitive kite market, a mistake like this can result in the closure of a company. My comments were merely that I don't see a company like Naish taking a massive risk like this unless they had confidence in the product.
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11 Jun 2007 4:20pm
quote:
Originally posted by Saffer

quote:
Originally posted by Bowski
And for Gods sake stop copying and pasting comments from kiteforum and pretending they are your own comments.



Why so stroppy? The post clearly says "Here is more news from kiteforum". I'm hardly pretending they are my own. If you want to know why this forum turns nasty all the time its because of comments like these. [}:)]

Where I haven't specified where the information is from (i.e. kiteforum), it has come from a Naish guy I know who is currently in Maui.

Best went out on a limb with 1 kite, not their entire range - slight difference. Naish has gone out on a limb with their entire range bar one kite. Researched? Hardly, its called opinion, but having most of your range fail is likely to have a massive impact, ask wipika. Do you know runs Cabrinha? It was well know that Cabrinha took a risk with the bow concept and had it failed it would have created massive financial problems for them. In the competitive kite market, a mistake like this can result in the closure of a company. My comments were merely that I don't see a company like Naish taking a massive risk like this unless they had confidence in the product.



You are talking a load of rubbish !!

Cabrinha is run by Neil Pryde,who have many succesfull windsurfing and yacht sails just for starters.

Also when they brought out the Crossbow,they still had a range of C kites .They ceased production of C kites AFTER the Crossbow became successfull.
I think you will find that Naish is doing the same thing.
Saffer
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11 Jun 2007 6:24pm
Not really. I was told the cabrinha distributors were told not to bother ordering C kites because they wouldn't sell, and cabrinha only produced a small number of them. How many revolvers (the cabrinha kite that was sold at the same time as the crossbow) have you actually seen in the flesh? I haven't seen any.
dave......
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11 Jun 2007 8:25pm
Come on guys.....
Yes kite companies can take huge risks....
I'd buy an '08 Fuel tomorrow without demoing...
How about a TD3 or Link2???????

Aerodynamically speaking these Naish shapes theoretically are encouraging..Im very interested to demo them...
Mr float
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11 Jun 2007 10:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by Bowski

quote:
Originally posted by Saffer

quote:
Originally posted by danza

This could make or break Naish, if its a winner it might be the end of the Bow Market and the start of the next revolution in kiting, if its not it could be another stinkfish.

Must be alot nervous kite companies out there.



I suspect you're right, I think there are probably a lot of nervous companies and if it doesn't work, I think Naish is pretty much dead in the water, but for a company to take that much of a chance on the kites (4 models following this new design including a replacement of the raven) they must think its the way to go. The last time someone did that was Cabrinha with the first bow release.





Naish pretty much dead in the water if this fails??? Yeah good comment, well researched, what like Best after they went out on a limb with the Hellfish, it failed everyone said they would go into liquidation, then they come out bigger and better than ever with the Waroo, do you know who runs Naish and their history. And for Gods sake stop copying and pasting comments from kiteforum and pretending they are your own comments.




I think a few would agree with me that the reason why best succeeded after the stinkfish saga was they stuck by their guarantee giving themselves good cred and then perfected a similar design and put a good bar set up with it and backed it again with their guarantee
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