Hi David

Talk to Neil Taylor at "Hold the Line Kites" in Wembley. 9387 5676.

He has buggies, foils and pump-up kites, and a heap of experience in the Buggy dept.

PL foils have come a long way since the Guerilla!

Cheers
Graham

Hi David,

You know these are two totally diffent kites. I have had PL venoms which would be great to use on both water/land. I currently have two 09 Waroos, which although fly great, easy to use etc I have had lots of bladder problems and think the general build quality is questionable, so I'm not sure how long they would last on land.

Alex,

i'm going to pull you up on a couple of your claims mate:

But Guerilla II is an open cell kite and you can't perform water relaunch with it.

Foil kites generally producing more power per square meters for example 10m foil kite is equivalent to a 12m LEI kite

Note 1: If your foil kite get smashed by a wave you have serious problem to relaunch it
Note 2: Self rescue is almost impossible with them

1) The Guerilla II is not/was not "an open cell kite" as you claim. The Guerilla II was the precursor to Venoms & Synergy's & WAS NOT an open cell kite.
2) Self rescue is almost impossible with them....mate, you either have no idea what you're talking about or don't know how to fly PL kites.

Don't talk ****e...

FWIW I was talking to a french guy who lived near the pyrenees, snow kiting is pretty big there, it's Chasta's home ground etc..

He said everyone he knew just used their inflatos on the snow in winter, no probs. Occasional tear or bladder burst from a huge smack down but generally they work fine unless you want to be putting your kite up and down all the time (ie kite uphill, board down, repeat) then LEIs are a pain coz pumping and gloves don't mix so well.

The only thing is you need an inflatable that will back itself off the ground (ie not an older C kite) because they won't grip and roll over like they do on water. A waroo or any bow/SLE should work fine..

this great guys thanks , good to see the repplies
I thought too the Guerilla II was open cell



Dave said: The only thing is you need an inflatable that will back itself off the ground (ie not an older C kite) because they won't grip and roll over like they do on water. A waroo or any bow/SLE should work fine..

Alright, we got a good start here.... what other bow/SLE ?

Like Alex said, maybe I have to buy 2 of them

K I've got a plan! All from seabreeze:

Ozone Frenzy 5M and Mountain Board. Both in Perfect condition.
Low Use. No abuse / damage. Also good snow kite. $650 No offers please
Click here to send an Email, or Call Sundra in Collaroy, NSW on 0417226970

Then sell the mountain board to put towards your water kite. Frenzys are apparently the best snow kite around but I wouldn't know if that's true.. I know Chasta makes the great snowkite vids and he rides them.

Then buy this:
2008 Ozone Kites Edge II - 13 metre
Williamstown, VIC $1050
Awesome kite, excellent condition
Complete with bar and lines, kite, bag, and repair kit.

The 09 Ozones are just out so you can bargain for an 08, then you'll have a kick ass water kite that flies way better then a waroo (and toyota vs hyundai quality) and has a huge wind range.

Anyway, everyone has a different opinion on kite brands, that's just a not so serious idea..
Dave.

haha. I rate waroos. Do anything, ride anywhere. I love em. haha you just gotta find one you like the feel of. Test some.

Smedg said...

haha. I rate waroos. Do anything, ride anywhere. I love em. haha you just gotta find one you like the feel of. Test some.

thanks Smedg... so you ride the waroo.. on water and land, what about the quality? (lets forget about the snow for now) I would appreciate your answer!
The problem I have no experience in kitesurfing, only waterski, snowboard and buggying .. I can fly a power kite, so I am not sure about the feeling of a stand up test at knee high, it ll take most probably more that just a quick test. I am a fast learner and don't want to change it after a month! I prefere to start hard and keep the kite.

come on guys, I am serious here .. I cannot believe only east coast is helping me here, I am in W.A!!
Straight now, I don't want a shop advise (as they probably will sale me anything) sorry, I want the pros out there that got the feel of it to make some comments. I want some people that have been riding with different brand!
I need 2-3 different ones so I got the choice! So far the Waroo or the Ozone...(but ozone need 2)
jj must be some other kites out there that can do water and land (let say open grass area, or beach) with all those brands on todays market

Thanks okin for the comment!

Intheozone said...

OK, To start with I am ozone biased. I learnt to kite in the UK with an old ozone foil kite on a mountain board and in buggies. I then switched to kite surfing and after a brief time flying Wipika kites I was back to Ozone when they introduced the instinct.

The Newer Ozone sport II and Light II are awesome both on the water and on the snow easy relaunching and good strong solid construction. I'd think about getting a ozone sport II 13m you should be good on land from about 13kts and up to about 28kts (thats when i move on to my 9m) on the water.

I hope that helps


Steve

Thanks so much Steve it does helps
I am getting excited and interested.. look like the pros are on the east coast someone on a 9m now we talking
What's the difference between the Ozone sport II and Light II ? If I may ask..

LightII - 3 struts, purpose built light weight kite for wave riding and for general purpose kiting, will boost well in its upper wind range can give good hang time too if flown well (bar held in).

SportII - 5 strut one pump like the LightII, designed more for unhooked, but probably best as an allrounder/freestyle kite, also good in waves. Big boosting and very good hang time, less bar depower than the LightII

Both have an excellent bar and lines, both relaunch extremely easily, and both are easy and safe to self launch and self land.

My favourite light wind kite was the 14M LightII, and my favourite kite in 15-25 knots was the LightII 11M.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve