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GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
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4 Sep 2009 9:24am
RobR said...

Thanks Galah for the lead in - what you suggest is exactly what I have attempted with AKSA after some time on the KBV Committee.


I try...

So what is the latest with the office of fair trading involvement?
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
4 Sep 2009 8:25am
ROB for PRESIDENT of AKSA.

VOTE NOW.
airush geoff
airush geoff
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974 posts
4 Sep 2009 8:27am
Yeah let's do that Slave you idiot......

With Robs diplomacy and and tact and obvious charisma kitesurfing would be banned in a week......
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
4 Sep 2009 10:31am
airush geoff said...
With Robs diplomacy and and tact and obvious charisma kitesurfing would be banned in a week......


At least we'd actually see AKSA do something...

They certainly don't respond to requests for information.
RobR
RobR
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
4 Sep 2009 10:34am
Next thing I will be accused of being a poley.....and should it really take a week....???
RobR
RobR
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VIC, 121 posts
4 Sep 2009 11:25am
With respect to Galah’s question regarding the Office of Fair Trading and their examination of AKSA this is what I know.

In response to no information coming from AKSA, on 20 November 2008 I raised my concerns formally with OFT in a number of areas. These were;
1. Amending the Constitution without due notice or Member approval
2. Failing to hold Annual General Meetings as per the Constitution
3. Failing to allow Members access to books
4. Failure to disclose basic financial information
5. Failing to allow the duly elected Treasurer [me] to take his position and have access to the AKSA financial records
6. Issuing misleading public statements as to key AKSA financial management activities
7. Treating the legal requirement as per the Act with open contempt.

All my concerns were supported by appropriate documents.

On 22 December 2008 the NSW Office of Fair Trading wrote back explaining a number of things. [PM me for a copy of their letter.]
Key points were:
a. AKSA had not lodged any documents regarding constitution changes and that AKSA should still be operating under the Model Rules,
b. The Rules constitute a contract between members and the association.
c. The OFT only has authority to intervene in matters arising under the Associations Incorporation Act [AIA]
d. The Model Rule 17 requires the Treasurer to collect all money due and ensure all payments are made.
e. The Model Rule 40 allows all members to inspect the records, books and other documents of the association.
f. The AKSA Public Officer has been reminded of its obligations under the AIA 1984 and particularly in relation to the above issues and the requirement to hold Annual General Meetings.

I again formally via the Public officer requested access to AKSA records and the Treasurer’s Role with a copy of the above OFT letter. After receiving no response, I again wrote to the Office of Fair Trading in August 2009. I believe I was very patient, tactful and diplomatic unlike what a resigned/failed AKSA Board Member has suggested earlier in this thread.

On the 14 August 2009 OFT by way of a letter, that the issues mentioned in my “letter will be examined as soon as possible” and that I will be notified once reviewed.

In the meantime AKSA has moved to using the Model Rules – not that they have told many people and their “new” Website still has the so called June 2008 Amended Constitution [as at 4 Sept 2009].

AKSA has now finally called an AGM some six months after the deadline and nearly twelve moths after the 2007/08 year end.

Despite having paid staff/manager over this time AKSA has historically lodged their Annual Statement very late - 2005 and 2006 both in May 2007 and the 2007 Statement was lodged in February 2009. I have copies from OFT.

Maybe AKSA can provide a further update.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
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NSW, 4188 posts
4 Sep 2009 5:30pm
Now that I have a new (sheriff's) hat on I'm going to call my former self out for sending this thread off topic

Perhaps it would be better for anything not relating to AKSA agm logistics to be posted in the AKSA sub-forum (www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=64), as it already seems that there is a lot of duplication of information & conversations going on.
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
4 Sep 2009 7:56pm
Dear All,

My sentiments are the same as Galah. There have been previous posts by Rob R. and Harry Potter, which i read last year and earlier this year. The repetitiveness is boring. Rob R only brought this out again, after hijacking the thread started by AKSA. I am fairly sure most of Rob R.'s post are all in the same vein.

I will repeat again, i don't disagree with Rob R. But have a problem with the continual battering of the topic.

AKSA, stand up and answer your critics. Silence is not the answer to resolve, but come to the table.

KR
RobR
RobR
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
6 Sep 2009 8:19am
It’s good to see the forthcoming AKSA Annual General Meeting producing so much interest – a sign of a healthy democracy no doubt.

One disturbing point that has arisen is that it is understood a long serving AKSA Board Member is contacting via PM’s those people who have indicated on Seabreeze support for my position. Remember all I am wanting is access to AKSA books and or to be allowed to fulfill my AKSA Treasurer’s role.

The nature of the PM’s I understand cover a number of points. They included past issues related to KBV and the involvement of NSW Office of Fair Trading and AKSA.

Taking each in turn – what KBV has to do with my request of looking at AKSA’s books is unclear. In fact the KBV issue being raised was addressed fully and openly on Seabreeze by the then KBV President in his own name and by KBV as a Committee. See here www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44026&whichpage=2&replies=70&PageSize=30&mxPages=3
This is unlike AKSA who do not wish to disclose anything and are unwilling to allow members access to their books which is their right under the law.

After extensive direct requests to AKSA to allow me to fulfill my elected Treasurer’s role and have access to AKSA records, in November 2008 [some five months after being voted in as AKSA Treasurer] I have raised my concerns with the NSW OFT. OFT wrote back advising of their views and indicating they have reminded AKSA of their obligation to members. For a fuller outline of OFT please see an earlier entry in this thread.

As for due democratic process of spreading misinformation, this was the same long serving AKSA Board Member that wrote to State Kiting Associations wanting them to agree to allow the sitting AKSA Board members to manipulate any access to the AKSA Board by them making the selection of who the State Representative should be – see an extract from his email dated 22 July 2009 to the various State Kiting Associations.
“it is pretty self evident that if the board is to work we must be able to maninpulate [sic] it sufficiently so that it can always be a set of like minded people working together for everyones benefit.”
Needless to say it rejected by KBV but we do not know what other State’s agreed to as it would appear KBV were the only State who are calling for AKSA to be accountable. KBV were not going to allow the AKSA Board to be "manipulated" as the AKSA Board Member had stated.

As for this matter going away, no matter who takes on the ongoing administration of AKSA, this year next year whatever, they will need to be held accountable for what AKSA has done. By the current Board continuing to hold out for so long against proper and legal requests from members, only makes the question become raised even louder by a greater number of people "what does AKSA have to hide?"

And once again thank you for your PM’s and emails of support.
James
James
WA
549 posts
WA, 549 posts
6 Sep 2009 10:09am
No doubt about it, this thread definately belongs out here in the general section. I don't know you Rob, but you've got balls and for what it's worth, my respect. J
RobR
RobR
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
6 Sep 2009 9:25pm
Thank you James for your support.

Some breaking news - I have been advised by the AKSA Public Officer that I may have access to AKSA records. This is only after some 15 months and more recent public pressure. More detials soon.

I intend again to stand for the AKSA Treasurer's position. Maybe this time the old guard AKSA Committee will move on and allow some new blood to move AKSA to its rightful poosition as the respected peak body of kiting. More on that later too.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
6 Sep 2009 10:03pm
RobR said...

I intend again to stand for the AKSA Treasurer's position.


Why go for Treasurer ?
The President's position pays more and you get to see the books anytime you like.

> ROB for PRESIDENT of AKSA <


RobR
RobR
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
7 Sep 2009 10:07pm
Thanks Slave - yes I noticed the AKSA President used to be paid but that may have stopped. Can't really tell because even though I am AKSA Treasurer [LOL] I have never seen the AKSA financial books - but apparently that is normal for AKSA as the President indicated in June 2008 that AKSA had never done a Treasurers' hand over before.

A frequent Seabreeze poster - Big Wave Dave - was the recent past AKSA Treasurer and he can tell you all about AKSA's finances. He appears to be very close to the past President as he is the Contact person on the AKSA website for the past President's thrilling kite business in Queensland.

It's a very small world we live in. And the Treasurer's role supposedly let's me get my hands on Members' funds.........
kk
kk
WA
953 posts
kk kk
WA, 953 posts
7 Sep 2009 8:57pm
JimBob Boily groin...

I clicked that link and thought.... WTF... who would read all of that??

Can you give us a summary or something please.

Is it the same RobR?

How do you know??

Still don't know how you got past the first paragraph

Cheers big ears
bardunyah
bardunyah
WA
73 posts
WA, 73 posts
7 Sep 2009 9:11pm
Some more insights in this topic in the AKSA category, including a full reveal of the AKSA accounts.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=54653

dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
7 Sep 2009 10:01pm
EXCUSE ME, Billy whatever,
Who gives a sh@* if he likes to type a lot. Organisations have rule and obligations so they dont syphon off funds and if thats occuring in a business/ corporation/ organisation, investors, stockholders, members, clients need them to be held accountable.
Nasty rumors about trips???, $20 grand to a kitelife video???, and now everyone flying to Perth for an AGM (no corporation does that as its too expensive/ co-incides with the WA season.....)BTW are the volunteers paying to fly to Perth or are AKSA/MEMBERS????

At the heart of this debate is one thing TRANSPARENCY, and Yes I PM Rob R in support. I have not been a member for 3 years, as I asked questions and also got no answers. As Charl DV says," BAAAAAAAAAAAA," dont act like sheep. Open contempt is open contempt.
F@rk, go forth and flame.
RobR
RobR
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
8 Sep 2009 12:32am
Thanks Dave…for the support.

You will notice that these guys are back on the same old path – play the person not the issue.

The issue is Members do not know what AKSA are doing with their funds. The audited accounts are a nonsense as noted by the AKSA Board themselves. No Balance Sheet, year ends do not line up and they don’t add up. And the auditor has not been paid – or maybe has been in the last week since I spoke to him.

And remember I like typing and the guys at the bank lost their jobs and presumably their reputations just as those that are blindly supporting [or mostly anonymously supporting] their long serving mates at AKSA.

As for rumours – Kitelife video $10,000 not $20,000 but with past President making product placement deals for his own kite business while supposedly negotiating for AKSA using Member’s money [ask the WAKSA Board Rep to explain if he has answers as he raised concerns of the past President which to my knowledge have never been answered or PM me for copies of related emails].

The Kitelife costs are more recent than the “audited” accounts which only go to June 2008.

AKSA Board Members flying to AGM’s. Last year [2006/07 AGM held in June 2008] was a classic. Initially planned for one day in Sydney which was generally low cost for everyone. Past President changed it to Mackay over two days with early Saturday start and at significant extra cost. See the Mackay minutes – not yet published on the famous “new” AKSA website as they are too embarrassing me thinks.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
8 Sep 2009 3:44pm
waveslave said...

> ROB for PRESIDENT of AKSA <



Rob,
How do I go about voting for you ? ^^^
If I'm not a member of WAKSA, does that exclude me from voting ?

RobR
RobR
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
8 Sep 2009 8:53pm
Thanks Slave - unfortunately it is a bit of a "Catch 22" situation.

You can't vote because you are not a Member. But you choose not to be a Member, or if you were a past Member, you do not renew because you were not happy with what is going on.

So as a non Member you have no say in trying to reform the organisation or voting for someone who is trying, when you feel is not operating properly.

And yes from the PM's I have received many people are in exactly the same position as yourself where you choose not to join an organisation that has shown itself not to be accountable over many years.

One thing Members can do is offer their Proxy to me where I may vote on their behalf. The Proxy Form is part of the Agenda document and found at http://aksa-com-au.web16.winsvr.net/Documents/tabid/137/language/en-AU/Default.aspx

I have nominated for the Treasurer's position and failing that a General Committee position - happy to leave the President, VP and Secretary role for others who are also keen to have AKSA move forward which I know there are many.
AKSA
AKSA
NSW
46 posts
NSW, 46 posts
8 Sep 2009 9:24pm
If members (& other kiters) would like to check now & again in the lead up to the AGM we will be publishing job descriptions of all of the positions which can/will make up the AKSA board as we move into season 2009/10. If you are interested in nominating for any position (including that of your state rep position) we suggest you read up on the basic requirements of each position.
Just go to www.aksa.com.au and look under the dropdowns from the HOME tab. There is new function there called 'Boardroom News' where we will be posting regular items of interest about all thats new with AKSA.
To clarify one point here: (we will put it on the site as well)
The AKSA board will (by definition) include one rep from each affiliated state KSA. The required executive positions of responsibility (required by the OFT rules) of President; Vice President; Secretary & Treasurer must be nominated and voted into those positions. They can be the state rep board members OR they can be additional members to the board who are nominated & voted in from the general membership.
Its your choice all the way.
laurie
laurie
QLD
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QLD, 3902 posts
9 Sep 2009 11:56am
Hope you can all get down to the AKSA AGM on Sunday week.

You'll be able to meet all the state rep's, ask questions, and personally meet the 5 guys who are guiding the association.

Rather than duplicate content already in the AKSA forum, please post questions about AKSA's operations etc, in the AKSA forum - you'll find there are already plenty there!

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/forum.asp?forum_id=64
AKSA
AKSA
NSW
46 posts
NSW, 46 posts
9 Sep 2009 2:25pm
laurie said...

Hope you can all get down to the AKSA AGM on Sunday week.

You'll be able to meet all the state rep's, ask questions, and personally meet the 5 guys who are guiding the association.


Please note we do need RSVPs before this weekend to ensure we have the necessary room allocation. RSVP details, job descriptions, nomination forms, proxy forms and other info re the AGM is available on the AKSA website.
www.aksa.com.au
check the "boardroom news" - temporarily under the 'HOME' tab.
RobR
RobR
VIC
121 posts
VIC, 121 posts
9 Sep 2009 4:04pm
Hi All

Just to confirm that I have nominated via mail for AKSA Treasurer again and as a second option as a General Committee Member.

I hope that if successful I am "allowed" to take up my elected position this time around. And for those that asked, I do not know why I was not allowed into the hallowed AKSA Board area in June of last year - other than I asked more than two questions - more on that later.

In the meantime - and as a suggestion to all those nominating - the role of a Committee Member carries certain responsibilities and is recognised under the law. Whilst many others will continue to abuse me for wanting AKSA to operate for its Members within both the spirit and letter of the law, many will be watching as the new Committee moves forward. So I hope all nominees are fully aware of their responsibilities going forward.

To assist I suggest you should read sport.nsw.gov.au/clubs/ryc/governance/boards remembering AKSA falls under the NSW OFT where again the macro level requirements of an Association are outlined.

And of course the old Committee Members were fully across these responsibilities - oh and it's not the 2009 AGM but the 2008 AGM - but don't tell the old AKSA Committee as they may get upset with me once again..[LOL]
Fitzy
Fitzy
QLD
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12 Sep 2009 1:36am
Yaaaawn

Fitzy
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