Accident at Woodies - who is in the wrong?

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KNM
KNM
WA
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KNM KNM
WA, 59 posts
24 Nov 2003 9:35pm
i agree that upwind must give way in these situations. it is the upwind kiter that will cause problems if overpowered. the answer is vision and communication. make your decision early if you see a problem emerging. i tend to motion the oncoming rider with a hand signal letting him know i intend to sail down wind of him i then head downwind keeping my kite low. the rider should aknowledge your intention and everyones safe for another day.
Simon
Simon
WA
275 posts
WA, 275 posts
25 Nov 2003 8:30am
Hi guys,
As Ian quite rightly points out, there is Maritime Law dictating the rules. It is not up to us to decide wether we want to use them or not. We have to!!!
Damo, you are a kite surfing instructor, as is Ian, so you should really make your self aware of these rules, and make sure you educate your pupils like wise.
There are loads of kitesurfers, and windsurfers out there who are not aware of these rules. I see it all the time when i am on the water with collisions and near collisions. It is up to all of us to make sure these rules are known.



Simon
gowindsurfing.com
Damo
Damo
WA
641 posts
WA, 641 posts
25 Nov 2003 9:40am
simon dont you worry about that. i am WELL awear of the rules. i teach all of my students how to kite safe! and i teach by a recognised IKO standard. (not that that has anything to do with what is being discused here.)
all i am saying is that prevention is the best medicine. if you are not kiteing down wind of people then you wont get hit by a run away kite simple as that!
Simon
Simon
WA
275 posts
WA, 275 posts
25 Nov 2003 10:22am
Hey Damo,
Not saying you are not a good instructor.
This is the crux.
You are saying you should not kite downwind of someone.
We are saying if you choose to kite upwind of someone(takes two to tango) you have to give way to them.

i have had my fair share of out of control kiters coming flying downwind at me whilst i am sailing/windsurfing, and i will always try and avoid them, but it is thier responsibilty to keep clear in the first place, if they are out of control, then they should not be out there.

Lets not confuse the issue , and just stick to the rules that count.

Simon
gowindsurfing.com
sambo
sambo
WA
22 posts
WA, 22 posts
25 Nov 2003 12:33pm
The notion of being upwind and downwind of each other can be confusing – sometimes it can be difficult to determine if you are upwind of someone, especially if you are approaching each other from a near reciprocal course, or if the other kiter is going more upwind than you. It is for this reason that the ‘rules’ use the terminology ‘windward’ and ‘leeward’. The windward side being the side that the wind is coming from. So:

1) When each kiter has the wind on a different side (ie. Two kites coming towards), the kiter which has the wind on the port (left) side shall keep put of the way of the other,

2) When both kiters have the wind on the same side (ie both kites travelling in the same direction), the kite which is to windward shall keep out of the way of the kite which is to leeward, (Don’t forget that the overtaking rule over-rides this rule – that is, you have to keep out of the way if overtaking)

Hopefully this makes sense…..the upwind/downwind thing was a bit ambiguous??

This means that at woodies on a SW (the northern/offshore side), if two kites were approaching one another, the kite going out should keep out of the way of the other.

This is how the ‘rules’ are written. In practice you can pass each other on whatever side you want and as close as you want, as long as both kiters understand what the intentions are. This is done by taking early action to indicate what you are going to do, either by dipping your kite so the windward kite can fly above, or by manoevring the board downwind/upwind. Regardless, it all comes down to some common sense, and taking early and substantial action to keep well clear if you are in doubt.

Regards

Sambo

PS. 20Kts at woodies...**** the rules...I'm outa here!!
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