at my local the less experienced tend to ride switch. probably because they are cheaper to buy. thats not allways the case. but i see it as a trend.

Saffer said...

I've noticed a correlation between certain brands of kites attracting certain types of riders in the same way that hoons are attracted to specific models of car.

For example, the majority of kite dickheads who perform close to the beach to try impress people seem to ride Fuel's or RPM's. I don't notice the same issue with Torch , C4 or Vegas riders which fall into the same (or similar) C shaped unhooked category. On the other side of the fence, as much as we joke about cab's and tree's, the majority of guilty parties are beginners who don't know any better. I.e. I don't often see Cab riders showing off close to shore and given the pure volume of cab's vs slingshots, the percentage should be higher if there was no correlation.

Any thoughts? Time to start crushing kites for the offenders?

That would have to down as one of the all time greats in useful forum posts serious quality

****heads are attracted to certain areas rather than certain brands.
you kite at st kilda.

And they usually kite in wake boots...
[}:)]

I think you just flamed all the surfboard rides on shore breaks lol not much difference from trickin to surfing your kite over sunbathers

I think too - the idiots are the ones who buy a certain brand - thinks its the bees knees with rants n raves and then the company completely redesigns the kite the next year - because after all the R & D pimp my vids kids & charging top dollars - it was just a crap kite, but its all good because the stupid are still fooled and they make money

A classic Fail example is they design a 9 or 10 which works - then reduce or add material and Wallah - you have 6,7,8,11,12,14m kite range... fooled again

I think 'Best' are on the right path by designing 1 model for a set wind strength as you cant make a 6m and expect a 12m to retain its traits period the line lengths for a start, dictate a flatter or narower canopy shape for size

Mask said...
I know what you mean.
Look at that Lenten guy showing off of on his Fuels.
Makes you mad.

The difference is he does it in 45 knots when no one wants to be on the beach. Our Len10 wannabe kiters tend to select different environments for their display of bravado because most can't handle those conditions.

eppo said...
I don't know if this is that constructive saffer? I suppose the only defence I can put forward to fuel and rpm riders is that freestyle needs the flatter water closer to shore and they are pushing the limits of that part of the sport with a higher margin for error.

I also think you're confusing high with low. If you kite close to shore, you have little to no margin for error. When you are riding unhooked and close to shore with a suicide, you actually need more room as you are not killing the power of the kite when you fall so you're more likely to get dragged.

On the issue of flat water, I'd argue most of the flatwater spots we have don't require you to do your tricks close to shore.

Saffer said...

eppo said...
I don't know if this is that constructive saffer? I suppose the only defence I can put forward to fuel and rpm riders is that freestyle needs the flatter water closer to shore and they are pushing the limits of that part of the sport with a higher margin for error.

I also think you're confusing high with low. If you kite close to shore, you have little to no margin for error. When you are riding unhooked and close to shore with a suicide, you actually need more room as you are not killing the power of the kite when you fall so you're more likely to get dragged.

On the issue of flat water, I'd argue most of the flatwater spots we have don't require you to do your tricks close to shore.

^^^^

If you unhooked safer you'd realise how wrong your statement is. I try not to throw stuff too close to the shore cause i've had mates break bones, but it definitely is where the majority of flat water is.

Saffer said...

I don't often see Cab riders showing off close to shore

There's a reason for that



Sorry me bad.

Big eeeZeee said...
If you unhooked safer you'd realise how wrong your statement is. I try not to throw stuff too close to the shore cause i've had mates break bones, but it definitely is where the majority of flat water is.

St Kilda (behind the pier and kiddies pond) provide no risk to beach goers so no need to ride in the flat water directly where the learners are with your kite above the beach.

Altona has plenty of flatwater away from the beaches so no need to ride with your kite above the people lying on the beach near the pier when you are unhooking (and yet they still do).

Brighton the flatwater extends out far enough not to put anyone on shore at risk and yet they still do. I.e. do tricks where the flatwater starts, not where it ends (often see kites crashing on shore from wayward unhooked tricks)

Rosebud has enough flatwater far out to not have to worry about doing tricks close to shore and yet people will continue to do their tricks close enough to shore to make it difficult for those riders who are trying to get out. Strangely enough, said riders generally do the tricks directly where the launch/land point it rather than close to shore 100m up or down the shore.

Inverloch, massive sandbank that creates enough flatwater to keep any unhooked rider happy and no need to do tricks close to the launching/landing beach unless you're showing off, if the sandbank is submerged, plenty of space to the left and yet it's not used. I.e. are the riders really looking for flatwater or just trying to show off.

I still maintain that doing tricks close to shore is a choice rather than due to environmental factors like flat water.

I will be doing my tricks in deeper water from now on . Out for months now broken foot ,thanks to doing tricks close to shore.

Saff - there's a difference between flat water and small chop. If you unhooked and actually appreciated the difference between the two and the ability to actually throw a trick much cleaner you'd understand why freestylers/wake love flat water. Anyhow agree with the whole crashing kite on beach. If it gets to that extent then yes, said kiter is a dickhead.

Saffer said...

Big eeeZeee said...
If you unhooked safer you'd realise how wrong your statement is. I try not to throw stuff too close to the shore cause i've had mates break bones, but it definitely is where the majority of flat water is.

St Kilda (behind the pier and kiddies pond) provide no risk to beach goers so no need to ride in the flat water directly where the learners are with your kite above the beach.

Altona has plenty of flatwater away from the beaches so no need to ride with your kite above the people lying on the beach near the pier when you are unhooking (and yet they still do).

Brighton the flatwater extends out far enough not to put anyone on shore at risk and yet they still do. I.e. do tricks where the flatwater starts, not where it ends (often see kites crashing on shore from wayward unhooked tricks)

Rosebud has enough flatwater far out to not have to worry about doing tricks close to shore and yet people will continue to do their tricks close enough to shore to make it difficult for those riders who are trying to get out. Strangely enough, said riders generally do the tricks directly where the launch/land point it rather than close to shore 100m up or down the shore.

Inverloch, massive sandbank that creates enough flatwater to keep any unhooked rider happy and no need to do tricks close to the launching/landing beach unless you're showing off, if the sandbank is submerged, plenty of space to the left and yet it's not used. I.e. are the riders really looking for flatwater or just trying to show off.

I still maintain that doing tricks close to shore is a choice rather than due to environmental factors like flat water.

Maybe it takes the time between the choppy bit and the beach to grow some balls and work out how to unhook??

I normally kite alone or with a small group of mates.
Lately i've been riding in popular heavily populated areas.

holy ****!
what has our sport come too.
I feel embarrassed! Due to the fact that 1. seeing the get up people wear on the water 2. the stupidity people show on the water.

did anyone have that game LEMMINGS??
its very similar.

Smithy said...
Bored Saffer and just poking the bears... or are you back on the blue pills??

Bingo, we have a winner. Poking at bears and boy do they hate to be poked!

26 posts before someone finally realised it was a trolling post.

The blue pills sound nice though...

NORTH .... cough cough... kooks... cough.

Also people riding boots - total kooks.

p.s.

Saffer said:
"Vegas riders don't fall into the same category"

- Obviously haven't been to safety bay, or the rest of the world.