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LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
26 Feb 2004 1:31pm
For Shannon (not Best), if you,re out there!-

What are they like,how do they fly ,how much do they cost, how does one order them. Please reveal all.

They look awesome> Bad times ahead for SS, Naish , North, AR, wipika etc.

larry
larry
WA
13 posts
WA, 13 posts
26 Feb 2004 1:44pm
If that's what you mean ...

www.bestkiteboarding.com/en-us/

some info there.
Shannon
Shannon
WA
489 posts
WA, 489 posts
26 Feb 2004 2:16pm
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
26 Feb 2004 2:26pm
Shannon
Informative! Thanks
louis
n/a693
n/a693
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
26 Feb 2004 6:27pm
Hi Loius
I found this review, done by a person that works for me.

"10am: Sleeping in I get a call from Steve. 14m Nemesis is here! Easy way to get a lazy boy out of bed!

Rider: Dave
Weight: 85kg
Board: Underground 128 Fridge Door (Pro Carbon)
Bar: Flexifoil Strike four line bar

First impressions out of the bag?

Its a kite!
Not overbuilt, strategically placed scuff pads.
Small diameter struts.
7 struts, 2 smallest struts on each end have valves, others don't. Like Rhino 2.

Awesome Stitch spacing and quality. Comparable to Naish or North. Good seam allowance all over.

The internal seam on the leading edge is covered by a foam protection strip to stop canopy wear.

Overall a solidly constructed kite with a few subtle bells and whistles. Simple colour and good panel layout.

In Flight:

Upon launch my helper noted the kite has quite an exaggerated arc a bit like a Rhino 4. Rhino 4 being my previous kites I noticed no obvious peculiarities or great differences in flight shape. Of course it lacks the s shaped struts but the arc has a very similar depth.

No jellyfishing or tipping.

Wind @ 17-22knots.

On the water the kite behaves well. I am riding in a 6knot downwind tide which doesn't help for the jump timing.

After on quick crank on the back hand I learn my first lesson about this kite. You will go high! Not scary high but unexpected high! I hardly expected to leave the water. And here I am a good 12 feet off the deck flailing like a monkey hung by his nuts. Lesson learned!

Now I am riding this kite with a 50cm bar which for me is less than ideal. I prefer to ride even my old 12m Rhino 04 on the wider bar setting.

After a good hour of riding as fast as I possibly could and seeing just how far you can leave this thing over your head before it hindenbergs I have a few observations and comparisons to my rhino 04's.

Straight after I got off the Nemesis I jumped on a 14m Rhino 04 so in direct comparison I would say;

Nemesis has more grunt and hence jumped better in those wind conditions.
I was unable to directly compare the steering because the Rhino was on a longer bar. I was eager to grab my Rhino 04 bar and put it on the Nemesis so I could directly compare the steering. Flight speed of the 2 kites however is almost identical.

So off to lunch and to go and replace my North chicken loop so I can use the bar.

By the time I come back the wind has backed off a little to around 15 knots.

On goes the North Bar and I am out again. This time with a 55cm bar.

WORLD OF DIFFERENCE!!! This kite is a @#$%ing weapon. In lighter wind than before all of a sudden this kite is scorchingly fast steering. I am amazed at how much the longer bar makes this kite turn faster. My timing is way off because of the steering and acceleration which makes for some great splash downs at high speed.

At the same time, rich is out again on his 14m R4 and is struggling to stay upwind. Granted he is unhooking and doing some PHAT kiteloops but can't gain ground back. He ends up doing the upwind walk. From the same position I decide to test the upwind ability of the beast in my hands. In less than three tacks I meet rich at the top of the beach. Needless to say I gloat with a blind Mooner! Then I huck a trannie a little close to shore and get a little more than I bargain for. I go for a single back which turns double and whoa Im way to high and now the kite is way too low. My bad!!

Insert crash here!

So how does it relaunch? Efforlessly!
Why? Well its simple. Everyone who flys Rhino 04's will know that when the top tip touches the water you are screwed. Well not screwed but you don't smile about it! If the top tip does touch the water whilst travveling to the edge, that it where it stays. Because the weight of the tip spar drops it just low enough below the water to stop the kite from opening up.

The Nemesis on the other hand has an inflated tip which floats and stops this from happening.

Floating tip = me smiling!

Other comments are that when doing wakestyle no whip tricks the kite stays quite low and has a very consistent pull.

I wasn't confident enough to try Kiteloops yesterday. Probably at the end of the session I was dialled enough but It was a little light by then.

Any way bottom line IMO for 50% of the price you get 100% of a great kite!

I am super keen to try the kite in decent wind and no tide. But of all the geezers out ther on the water yesterday all complaining about the inconsistent wind and I still had plenty of fun!

If anyone has any questions I am happy to do my BEST to answer them!

Gotta go the wind is cranking and the tide is going the right way today!

DaVe O....."

I hope that helps a bit.
Steve McCormack
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
27 Feb 2004 9:33am
Thnks Steve
Are they only available through internet purchase, or are there any dealers out there?
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
27 Feb 2004 9:34am
Thnks Steve
Are they only available through internet purchase, or are there any dealers out there?
n/a693
n/a693
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
27 Feb 2004 5:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by LouD

Thnks Steve
Are they only available through internet purchase, or are there any dealers out there?



There is one dealer in Oz, but due to the rules of this forum I cannot tell you who it is, if I do the forum owner will delete my post.
Send me a private e-mail to [email protected], and I will let you know who it is.
Steve McCormack
Adam Ratajewski
Adam Ratajewski
SA
70 posts
SA, 70 posts
29 Feb 2004 3:12am
Very Sly steve. Make it a bit more obvious who the importer is. I reckon the kites will do well in Aust, based on their price and opinions from others
n/a693
n/a693
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
29 Feb 2004 11:40am
quote:
Originally posted by Adam Ratajewski

Very Sly steve. Make it a bit more obvious who the importer is. I reckon the kites will do well in Aust, based on their price and opinions from others



Its just the rules of the group.
I cannot make it "more obvious" my posts will just get deleted.
I can tell you that the person who made the review above spent another 5 solid hours on the 14M Nemesis yesterday in winds from 20 -25 knots, he had a ball is and is totally stoked with the kite. Over at Kurnell he was out with another well know local who was on a Rhino04, the other guy is 15-20kg heavier than dave, and he gave up about an hour sooner than dave. Dave and others said he was consistently jumping higher and longer than anyone else. The turn rate is awesome and the kite gives such solid feedback on the rears that you always know where it is, without the bar being heavy.
I spent an hour and half on a Flexifoil Strike 13M another very nice newcomer to the market.
Southerly again today, weather over here has been excellent but the wind changes direction every couple of days, instead of the usual pattern of 4-5 daysNE and the a layday and then southerly for a day or two.
How has WA been this year compared to others?
Steve McCormack
tiki
tiki
WA
43 posts
WA, 43 posts
29 Feb 2004 12:37pm
rules were made to be broken anyway. be keen to see some comments from a non commercial source. the "jumps higher, higher windrange, more feedback than other kites on water" thing must be a standard template for reviews.

also, good to see a lot of really good riders on older kites. shows its the rider, not the gear.
Adam Ratajewski
Adam Ratajewski
SA
70 posts
SA, 70 posts
1 Mar 2004 12:22am
Yeh WA has been awesome. Ive just moved over and out of 19 days I think I have ridden atleast 15, using my 12m and 10m mostly. The seabreezes crank in most days, even today was 38 C, they forecasted 10-15kn, I rode on a 12m and was underpowered but it wouldve been goood on a 16m. Hopefully the season is a long one!
Keysey
Keysey
WA
109 posts
WA, 109 posts
1 Mar 2004 9:34am
This season has been great. I have an 8,11.5 and an 14 metre and have been out 5 out of seven days all summer.
The wife is not happy, there are other things i should have been doing. But what can you do when its windy you have got to go.
Only about 4 weeks left before the Fremantle Doctor calls it Quits. Bring on the winter North Westers and the swell. I wasnt at a good anougth level last winter to get out on the ocean in heavy swell but this year im going to tackle it.

Constantly Stoked Allan
n/a693
n/a693
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
1 Mar 2004 11:06am
quote:
Originally posted by tiki

rules were made to be broken anyway. be keen to see some comments from a non commercial source. the "jumps higher, higher windrange, more feedback than other kites on water" thing must be a standard template for reviews.

also, good to see a lot of really good riders on older kites. shows its the rider, not the gear.



Look on kiteforum.com, there are a lot of reviews there.
I understand the suspicion, especially if people post under false names. I have always used my real name, and I have grown my business by giving good advice.
Not all kites have upper end windrange, like Rhino2 and SS Fuel 03, but they suit some people. Some kites are hard to boost high on, and I won't name any it's too political. Some kites give better feel through the rear lines, the Best nemsis is one of them.
Read what others say if you need more convincing. There are already some Best kites in WA, talk to those guys and I know a business in Sydney that just got told they have 40 Best Nemesis and Yarga kites clearing customs right now, so it won't be long till there a a lot of them around so you will be hearing a lot more about them.

Steve McCormack
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
3 Mar 2004 11:40am




I can tell you that the person who made the review above spent another 5 solid hours on the 14M Nemesis yesterday in winds from 20 -25 knots, he had a ball is and is totally stoked with the kite. Over at Kurnell he was out with another well know local who was on a Rhino04, the other guy is 15-20kg heavier than dave, and he gave up about an hour sooner than dave. Dave and others said he was consistently jumping higher and longer than anyone else. Steve McCormack


Hi Steve,
From what I saw you may be slightly misinformed regarding the endurance of the "well known local".
I was at Kurnell for much of the afternoon and only saw the Best Kite on the water for about 1hr or so.
However the "well known local" had been kiting for hours before the Best hit the water and probably spent twice as long out there.

Regarding the jumping higher/longer comparison…by the time the "well known local" and other good riders had come in, Dave (a very good rider) only had the likes of me to outjump, Best kite or otherwise - not too difficult! So I wouldn't use last Saturday as a comparative test.

However the Best looked really good on the water, seems very well made and if it took me to Dave's level I'd buy one...oh if it were only that simple.

PS good luck with Bondi Council.
Cheers Al.

ox
ox
WA
101 posts
ox ox
WA, 101 posts
5 Mar 2004 7:39pm
anyone out there flown the 16 or 18m nemesis. Looking at one of these as a light wind kite over winter. Im 95kgs and riding an airush switch 160cm, still fairly new to the sport. already have a 12 + 10m.
ox
ox
WA
101 posts
ox ox
WA, 101 posts
6 Mar 2004 9:25am
Thanks for the info mort. Im looking at the buy 2, get one free offer. Ie $470 per kite. Will this deal be matched?
n/a693
n/a693
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
7 Mar 2004 6:28am
quote:
Originally posted by ox

Thanks for the info mort. Im looking at the buy 2, get one free offer. Ie $470 per kite. Will this deal be matched?



Best are doing that deal for one week, it finishes on the 9/3/04. You have to buy 2 kites 12M or bigger and then you get either a 10 or 8M for free. The deal is not matched or available from the dealer in Oz.
The dealer in Oz has the kites in stock, and can ship immediately, shipping is free. You will also get copies of all the latest kiteboarding mags.
Keep your money in Oz, please.

Steve McCormack
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