maybe they should be alternately called "WOB".
ie.
"I was out kiting on my BOW when it inverted, so I came back to shore on my WOB."


This could lead to all sorts of new beach-language adaptations.
ie.
(1)"Is that WOBBOW over there?"
(2)"Don't you mean Robbo?"
(1)"No mate, definately WOBBOW; he inverts his BOW everytime he goes out!"
(2)"Cool... thought you had a thpeech impediment for a moment."

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Originally posted by lemming

Does anyone who has used the Liquid Force Assult have an opinion on what these are like in respect to the inverting problem.

I have been told that these kites lie somewhere between a bow and a C in respect to performance, so I am thinking that they may not suffer from the inverting problem so much.

Has anyone who has used these had problems with inverting?

Lemm

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Over the past few weeks, I think I have crashed my 12m Assult every way imaginable, but have not managed to invert it. (yet)
I hope it never happens because it sounds like a real pain in the ass!

Bows can relaunch inside out, people are calling this inverting. C shaped kites can and have been doing this for years.
The safety of letting go of the bar still works when the kite relaunches "inverted", all you need to do is crash the kite into the water again, that alone will fix it in 50% of cases, although you might end up with a twist in either side of your lines.

If the kite lands leading edge down but facing towards you - DO NOT swim at the kite, in fact do not swim at the bow kites at all.
If it is LE down as described above pull on one rear line, a lot, pull in several metres and then let it go, that should allow it to turn and end up LE down away from you and then you just do your normal pull on one rear line to relaunch.

Trim the kite with your fim sttap or cleat for a comfortable riding position, if you are having to ride in poo man stance you are using the kite above its wind range for your weight. All the trim strap does is move the bar closer or further relative to you. Depower is achieved by adjusting the bar position relative to you.

I have a Vegas06, it does not have the wind range (with out coming in to land and make adjustments), of a bow kite. I have observed a guy here who has Tribals, same thing. Plus Vegas and Tribal need to be ridden fast, they do not like being ridden slow and pointed high upwind like you can with some other C shaped kites and bows, to control speed and therefore wind range.

The Vegas06 is a great kite, for those that can and want to ride fast, boost big, have smooth power in a tight turning kite - so they are good for freestyle/wakestyle riders (same for Tribal). These tricks and style of riding can be achieved riding bow kites as was well proven by Rich Stenning at this years Freestyle Nats in Melb.

Power is very on/off on the Vegas, and tribal unless you let them run fast, this alone makes them not an ideal for kite for the majority of riders who want big wind range and safety, but hardcore, experienced wind junkies will love these kites.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

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Power is very on/off on the Vegas, and tribal unless you let them run fast, this alone makes them not an ideal for kite for the majority of riders who want big wind range and safety, but hardcore, experienced wind junkies will love these kites

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i disagree , at least for the impacts part it has more depower than the bows ive ridden at the same time and in the same conditions, and the impact feels a lot safer and under control at the top of it's wind range once you've unhooked compared to the bows.

and as for safety.... i think i've seen more bows be rescued and swam back in, in the swan river than total numbers of other brands combined... and the reason is, when your a biginner you luff the kite when you crash all the time, and when you luff a bow and let the lines go slack , your in a world of pain not caused by c shape kites and so IMO theres no way i'd feel safe teaching some beginner to rides bows, they should stick to the other c shapes offered by the bow companies, thats what they are there for!, the only thing that is above board IMO with safety on the bows is the ability to puch the bar out and depower, the inverting, bridle tangles and death spirals are not safe at all, and most beginners, as the one in the start of this post,. struggle with having to deal with all the complications that have arisen from having the bow shape and getting that added depower.

Steve your arrogance is shinning through once again.Its a bit early to be saying the vegas is not for the majority of kiters let the kiters that kite day in day out decide that only time will tell.
Or is your opinion a little biassed as we all know you do not have a great relationship with the suppliers of north and naish kites.
Or are you a bit worried that the vegas might affect the sales of your bow kites.And we all know your profit margin is much better on bow kites than you have on north kites.

Not fast enough to find his 'Jamie'

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Safer ? dont kid yourself

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I agree, def not 100% depower on the cabs anyway as mentioned before no such thing as 100% depower otherwise there is no top end to a kite. Drama to flag the kite too unless you use something like the SS surefire spreader bar thingo.

Still love my bow, yeah it does wierd ****, yeah it aint the kite to all people but i'm used to it and into it and yeah my hamster has delved to realms unknown, i blame Bevo for his unstable mental state and periodic hallucinations. Trauma can do that.

Or you could just ride something like an old rhino 2 and forget about depower!
Then if you need to depower just boost as high as you can or ride it out!
Keep some excitement in your day.