In one earlier post from steve he suggested some local rules to be introduced at dolls point as shown below:

Steve said in post No. 12 of www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31638


"Guidelines for sustainable continued use of the beaches at Dolls is a better way of putting this.

We want to discourage all people from walking right up the the south side of the rock groin, where the beach is now about 2-3M wide at high tide.
This practice to gain 10M of upwind advantage is so dangerous, completely unnecessary, and will (and has) lead to carnage if the kite luffs in a wind lull. The neighbours houses are at risk, the power lines have been taken out, and members of the public walking and riding along the pathways have been hit.

Plus you will put your kite into the trees if there is any lull, and that usually results in a destroyed kite and really bad PR for us kiters as we hack up and damage the trees trying to get the kites down.

We are also discouraging all locals and other riders from riding within 2 line lengths of any part of the beach, North or South of the groin!!
This will mean no jumping in the flat water behind the groin at high tide, - go to Towra or just jump further out."

After a very busy/chaotic day I would like to suggest some modifications:

There were probably 30+ kites on the beach and another 10-20 on the water. Most of the kites that have been parked were lying around with Lines not packed up. Those lines are a hazard for everybody and especially for people who want to launch their kite. It will cost you aproximately 2 Min. to wind up your lines and leave them on your kite. This will reduce as well the space that is used by the kite gear and other beach users do not get annoyed about stepping in to the lines and get tangled.

Another thing that I noticed is the amount of space that was used by on the ground lying kites that were not used. They were all lying around in front of the pine gallery and blocked the space for other beach users and people who want to launch/land their kites. In Europe there are a lot more kitesurfer at some spots and they have introduced a rule to wind up lines and stack kites for the time they are not used in order to reduce space usage and get a proper launching and landing zone. We could introduce a stack-zone on the beach in front of the pine gallery. You can easily stack 30 Kites within 10-15 m with lines winded up and left on the canopy. The launch preparation will cost you only 2 min. more.

And my last point is that those local rules should be published directly at the spot not only the forum. Just a printout sealed in plastic would be sufficient in order to give visitors the opportunity to be informed and to follow the rules. This is how it works quite well in europe.

Cheers

Granini

Granini, I appreciate the fact you wish to help regulate the kiting at dolls. But who do you think you are. From what I, and the rest of the local crew have observed, you are a rude prick who doesn't even have the common sence to take the initiative to stay out of the way op people on the water. As far as I am concerned, you can eat a dick, and keep your thoughts to yourself. And if you ever are rude to anyone I care about again, I will rip your face off!!

Hi All,

I'd just like to say I was out at dolls yesterday (Saturday) and there were lines left lying everywhere and it was a pain in the a** for other kiters. I'd be very keen to have a rule that all lines should be at least looped near to the kite instead of running 25m up/across what is not a large beach.

I don't specifically know who any of the above posters are (at least not on this forum) or what reputation they have but regardless I think that granini has a very valid point and it does none of us any good shooting down people who post such things regardless of whatever their own behaviour is/has been in the past.

Tim.

Dolls is a zoo on weekends, even more so if its sunny. Weekdays seem to be OK though.

No worries yesterday was a beer day on my way home I crossed a lady who was smashedddddd LUCKY SHE DIDN'T KITE !!!!!!

Cathy

No. But it's all sydney's got really.

Yeah i think that's a great idea. I have kited at a couple of spots over the years and it's a common practice and good habit pretty much everywhere to keep your lines rolled up when you're taking a break and leaving the kite on the beach.

The beach is there to share not just between kiters, but also other beach users. Leaving your lines laid out especially on a crowded beach is just a potential nuisance and hazard to everywhere.

I have been to this particular spot which will remain unnamed where the local kite "police" would threaten to cut lines that are not rolled up! LOL!

Kitepower Australia said...



People who drink beer and go kiteing should be banned too.

I will never go kiting then.... People shouldn't hand others beer while kiting I say...it gets a little frothy in my belly...as the quote say's.....I might trip a rail and spill my beer.....

drink beer smoke weed drive my car yippee

kiteslave said...

buz or fuz or whatever your name is.
999 or 666 kwytpowerful the wind ha can you kite i think your a kook as well ive seen ya hangin at tha beach whats your gang special k or cornflakes watch out for the balcony

See kids, this is why smoking crack is bad ................mmmkay!

Freddykite said...

I love it when these new guys come to our local spot and think they can establish rules etc....

Hi Freddykite,

I only can repeat my previous post. May be due to my lack of language skills you got it wrong. My first post was just a suggestion or lets phrase it differently a starting point of discussion. I do not want to regulate anything or put up rules. Take it as an Idea that needs refinment and input from everybody. And if you think thats all crap then I am fine with this as well. I thought a forum is a place to share opinions and discuss topics like that open-minded. But I might be wrong.

Freddykite said...
Dude, if you want to come up with rules, you should LEAD BY EXAMPLE!!!!

I do not know if you have noticed it but i left my BOW kites on the backside of the beach with rolled up lines while I had a break on saturday, so did I as well with the foil.

Additionally you might have observed on saturday as well as on sunday that I do not try to jump or try some tricks in the shallow area close to the beach or behind the rock wall. I have done this on my tacks out and away from the beach.

Freddykite said...
And while I'm at it, just a little piece of advice: You need to relax a bit more. You'r no longer in DEUTSCHLAND. How's that for a thought????

You might be right, but this threat shows very clearly that a lot more people have to relaxe a bit more otherwise you would not make this big fuss about it and verbally attack people in an inappropriate way.

And instead of arguing highlevel about rules and regulations and restrictions you should start thinking and discussing about the content.

I can only see a few posts from people who have really thought/discussed about the real topic means leaving kites and lines rolled up at the backside of the beach so that it reduce risk for everybody and makes it a bit more comfortable to launch and land. This is something that should be in your interest as well. And as sideeffect of stacking kites you will protect them from UV rays.

At the end of the day it should not make a big difference who brought up the idea (local or non local ... do you really want this concept in kite surfing as well???!?! Greetings from Maroubra!). I am probably and hopefully not the first one who came up with this. The rest of my initial post was not from me but from Steve.

Anyway hope you will have fun on the water the wind forecast does not look to bad for the week. That should help to relaxe a few people :)

Cheers

Granini

Hi Freddykite,

I have no problem to quote as well the rest of your post but did not think that it would add much value to the original topic.

However you said:

Freddykite said...
What about my comment about you crashing your foil on little children on the beach???????????????

Thats not true. I did not crash my kite on anybodys head but on the water because my chickenloop slipped out of my hook with the result, that my kite was on the fifth line. I had enough distance to the beach to not hit anybody.

It is correct that i drifted towards the beach but when the kite is in fifth line mode it will not hurt anybody either with its line nor with something else (This is one difference to a tube. You can hold the kite with two fingers when it is on the fifth line.). Additionally I had already ground contact with my feet when I was sorting my bar, so the kite would not have been drifted further along the beach.

Freddykite said...
The bottom line is as follows: People should take care when they ride and be mindful of others.

I can totally support the statement above.

Freddykite said...
Rules like one you're proposing dont necessarily make sense. For example you suggest that pople should not ride in the flat section behind the rock groin...

This may make sense for someone with your skill level, but not for some of the advanced riders that require the flat water to practice their tricks... Again, common sense.

So and this is where you and probably some other guys get me wrong because you haven't read the initial post careful enough. THAT IS NOT MY IDEA AND WAS NOT INITATED BY ME. THIS WAS A COPY OF STEVES ORIGINAL POST. If you have problems with this part of the posting than do not blame/attack me. Contribute in a productive manner and address it correctly.

My part was only the suggestion to look a little bit after your lines and park the kite in the back of the beach.

Please read carefully my first post

Granini said...
In one earlier post from steve he suggested some local rules to be introduced at dolls point as shown below:

Link as follows:
Post No. 12 in www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=31638

And again.... this should be a discussion and nothing more. I can understand your point that you need the flat water to practice tricks but do not blame me for this very strictly phrased part of the initial post. It was a copy and I should probably have marked it better as a copy (what I have done now). I only wanted to initiate an idea/discussion or as shown in the header GUIDELINE not rule to reduce hazards and get a landing/Launching area by looking after your lines and kites.

I copied the original post from steve as a starting point unbiased. It does not mean that I necessarily totally agree with those Guidelines or however you want to name them.

Freddykite said...
Anyway, I'm just giving you a free piece of advice. Use common sense and you should be fine.

Thanks for that I will keep it in mind.

Cheers

Granini

PS: And to complete the quote

Freddykite said...
which clearly is much better than any C/Bow/Tub kite

I have never said that and would never say it. It is my personal opinion that I prefer the foil in windspeeds between 8-20. There it works for me much better than anything else but this does not mean that it is necessarily your cup of tea. So for me it is much better than any C/Bow/Tube but not inevitably for common sense.

I can't beleive theres a topic like this and it isn't concerning woodies. Lol.

don't bother with dolls, kurnell has much more reliable wind, less tide affect, more flat water, a groin for everyone to play in, less punters on the beach, a compressor to pump your kite, friendly bunch of experienced blokes and it's only 15 minutes to get there. Remember the local give way rules though, tack into beach gets right of way
leave dolls for the kooks

Freddykite said...


Granini, have you ever thought of using a DONKEY DICK :) The avoid the chicken loop from coming out of your harness hook. Might be worthwhile considering.

Ever used a Speed 2? It might be helpful to be informed or having experience before giving an advice. It seems to be lacking on both in your case. But in order to contribute a bit to your knowledge please have a read of the last part of following thread, especially the negative list:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=30091

The chicken loop has a donkey dick but unfortunately not stiff enough and the loop can slip from your hook WITH donkey dick in your hook. This happend to me twice once on the water and once on the beach. So again a false statement from you:

Freddykite said...


NOT GOOD. In addition to that you did a launch on the beach and had to release the kite (trigger the safety).

And here again another exampel of obviously having no experience and knowledge about foils:

Freddykite said...


Again, if you're not comfortable with your gear, ask for some help during the launch
and don't try to self-launch like you do all the time... COMMON SENSE!!!!

Its easier and safer to do a selflaunch with a foil than having an assistent. Thats different for tubes.

And again not true:

Freddykite said...


And btw, I was on the beach that day... crash or not, your kite went into the children playin in the water.

Freddykite said...


Foil vs. Tube??? Sorry, but you're entiteled to have a preference, but one day you will see the light :)

Hmmm... you should try one of the new foils before you judge. You are invited to try the SA19 to get a real impression about how it flys.

Cheers

Granini

Hey Granini,

I think you miss understand what's going on in this thread a bit... Good points on the "suggestions", but you have unfortunately pissed a few people off, including myself and that's why the guys or usually very friendly locals are giving you a hard time about suggesting ideas, no matter how good they are..

Remember this?? Who has right of why in the following scenario: Someone on the water in a tack towards the beach OR someone trying to enter the water on the shoreline? Is it easier and safer to turn around OR make someone counter steer their kite on land to make way for you?

I will quote you bellow load horn towards me in a Schwarzenegger accent - "GET OUT OF MY WAY, PUT DOWN YOUR KITE"

What's next?? Can you see the problem here??