Has kiting reached saturation point?

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Joe Cron
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24 Mar 2011 5:54pm
Thanks for the even reply.

I've heard it said 'nostalgia ain't what it used to be'.

Cheers
bolgo
bolgo
WA
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24 Mar 2011 4:19pm
well maybe the truth is stranger than fiction

surfing left handers, crisp offshore, 4-6, breaking off the bubble
you and 2 mates and a couple of friendly locals

boating to strikko's, no one out, 6 ft a frames, glassy offshore

kiting contacios you and a mate, no one to be seen, apart frm the start of the pack at brighton in the distance


nostalgia or the way it was?



PF
PF
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24 Mar 2011 9:54pm
Jimbob McBoilygroin said...
I'm sure they had the same thoughts in belguim.


Can anyone actually find proof that Belgium has restricted kiting??


I asked a friend who does some kitesurfing in Holland
he sent me following link www.standaard.be/zoeken?trefwoord=kitesurfen

and following is a translated link, assuming it is an 'exact' translation but with some imagination you get the idea babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.standaard.be%2Fartikel%2Fdetail.aspx%3Fartikelid%3DUI35S46S%26word%3Dkitesurfen&lp=nl_en&btnTrUrl=Translate


from what I can gather from the article
- something about police rules (i'm guessing that means police fines if braking laws)
- lessons for everyone
- 50m exclusion zone to swimmers
- no kiting over six beaufort (wind conversion www.bom.gov.au/lam/glossary/beaufort.shtml) (i.e. no kiting over 22-27 knots)
eppo
eppo
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24 Mar 2011 8:00pm
Not kiting over this limit. Well forget 80 percent of summer days lancelin up and 70 percent south of this. The figures are made up but they are probably close.
kitebored
kitebored
NSW
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24 Mar 2011 11:03pm
There's still plenty more surfers than kite surfers at my local breaks.
ashton
ashton
WA
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24 Mar 2011 8:27pm
I suppose we should be thankful there's 1000's of strange kooks kiting. It should deter the 10's of 1000's of surfers from starting.
king of the point
king of the point
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24 Mar 2011 9:17pm
I laugh
Kiting is for kiters your a special bread

Ive listened to countless crew blert there bleter, about kiting when it started out how good it is and how i had to do it and windsurfing was finished. blar blar blar

Ive watched crew convert to kiting to return and or do both watched new crew start with out a back ground ,,,,but always laughed as youve promoted, raved and ranted as if yous were first on the moon.

I new there would be a saturation point at most locations and yous would curse the day you told other doods about a place no one goes ..........and to get into kiting.

The the second prodiction was kiters would turn on kiters for dropping in crossing tampon strings and jumping to close etc etc etc (the list of **** goes on).

The greatest thing is now you got other kiters to play with you can leave us windsurfers in the line up alone to slash, shread,carve, smack out arials and slaye the dragon in peace.

Ps Open your mind dragon slayers yous aint the GOLDEN BREAD and or KELLY SLATER so fk off








BarryDawson
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WA
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24 Mar 2011 9:43pm
king of the point said...

I laugh
Kiting is for kiters your a special bread

Ive listened to countless crew blert there bleter, about kiting when it started out how good it is and how i had to do it and windsurfing was finished. blar blar blar

Ive watched crew convert to kiting to return and or do both watched new crew start with out a back ground ,,,,but always laughed as youve promoted, raved and ranted as if yous were first on the moon.

I new there would be a saturation point at most locations and yous would curse the day you told other doods about a place no one goes ..........and to get into kiting.

The the second prodiction was kiters would turn on kiters for dropping in crossing tampon strings and jumping to close etc etc etc (the list of **** goes on).

The greatest thing is now you got other kiters to play with you can leave us windsurfers in the line up alone to slash, shread,carve, smack out arials and slaye the dragon in peace.

Ps Open your mind dragon slayers yous aint the GOLDEN BREAD and or KELLY SLATER so fk off




Hey "dood"

I'll leave you to your "arials" while you "slaye" some **** and leave me to my "special bread"

KOP = Nostradamus










eppo
eppo
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24 Mar 2011 9:47pm
slash, shread,carve, smack out arials and slaye the dragon...?

Is that what you are doing then? I alway wondered what the whole point was behind your mechanical procession, but it's all clear now. wow and i thought it was a lame ass waste of time. cool, at least I know now.
hamburglar
hamburglar
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25 Mar 2011 1:35am
king of the point said...

I laugh
Kiting is for kiters your a special bread

Ive listened to countless crew blert there bleter, about kiting when it started out how good it is and how i had to do it and windsurfing was finished. blar blar blar

Ive watched crew convert to kiting to return and or do both watched new crew start with out a back ground ,,,,but always laughed as youve promoted, raved and ranted as if yous were first on the moon.

I new there would be a saturation point at most locations and yous would curse the day you told other doods about a place no one goes ..........and to get into kiting.

The the second prodiction was kiters would turn on kiters for dropping in crossing tampon strings and jumping to close etc etc etc (the list of **** goes on).

The greatest thing is now you got other kiters to play with you can leave us windsurfers in the line up alone to slash, shread,carve, smack out arials and slaye the dragon in peace.

Ps Open your mind dragon slayers yous aint the GOLDEN BREAD and or KELLY SLATER so fk off










now now,just because you gave it a go and couldn't cut it crawl back under your rock you baldy old dinasaur
bakesy
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24 Mar 2011 10:47pm
You all may remember what windsurfing was like in Perth during the late 80's and early 90's, if not due to the fact that many may not have been born or aware it was awash with sails. All the boys reckoned it would be banned but a funny thing happened.... people got bored with setting up, being ripped off for gear, got married had kids etc kiting will go exactly the same way in a few years so don't stress. The truly committed will stay and continue to enjoy it forever just like the small band of windsurfers you see dotted amongst the kites. For many this is the cool thing at the moment but they will soon fade away. bring on the winter swell I say and we can enjoy the real thing.
Poida
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24 Mar 2011 10:50pm
The windsurfing forums have been a bit quiet lately.

eppo
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24 Mar 2011 10:52pm
kitasaurus said...

You all may remember what windsurfing was like in Perth during the late 80's and early 90's, if not due to the fact that many may not have been born or aware it was awash with sails. All the boys reckoned it would be banned but a funny thing happened.... people got bored with setting up, being ripped off for gear, got married had kids etc kiting will go exactly the same way in a few years so don't stress. The truly committed will stay and continue to enjoy it forever just like the small band of windsurfers you see dotted amongst the kites. For many this is the cool thing at the moment but they will soon fade away. bring on the winter swell I say and we can enjoy the real thing.






Hope ya right mate. And yeh bring on winter
bakesy
bakesy
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24 Mar 2011 11:04pm
no worries some swell coming, by the way your bro is a well balanced young man and is not prone to violent outbursts, even if busloads of crew arrive at "your" spot and proceed to f**k everything up for you!
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
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24 Mar 2011 11:33pm
Poida said...

The windsurfing forums have been a bit quiet lately.




they need wind so there is something to talk about. and KOP isnt posting there

And how come no one said go north

Strong Wind Warning
Kuri Bay to Cape Preston
Expect E/SE winds to strengthen to 20/30 knots Friday morning. Winds easing below 25 knots Friday afternoon. Seas 1.5m to 2.0m. Swell to 0.5m.



www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW20100.html


dusta
dusta
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24 Mar 2011 11:44pm
king of the point said...

I laugh
Kiting is for kiters your a special bread

Ive listened to countless crew blert there bleter, about kiting when it started out how good it is and how i had to do it and windsurfing was finished. blar blar blar

Ive watched crew convert to kiting to return and or do both watched new crew start with out a back ground ,,,,but always laughed as youve promoted, raved and ranted as if yous were first on the moon.

I new there would be a saturation point at most locations and yous would curse the day you told other doods about a place no one goes ..........and to get into kiting.

The the second prodiction was kiters would turn on kiters for dropping in crossing tampon strings and jumping to close etc etc etc (the list of **** goes on).

The greatest thing is now you got other kiters to play with you can leave us windsurfers in the line up alone to slash, shread,carve, smack out arials and slaye the dragon in peace.

Ps Open your mind dragon slayers yous aint the GOLDEN BREAD and or KELLY SLATER so fk off












my god . Please learn some basic spelling and then come back and post something that doesn't make my head almost explode .
eppo
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25 Mar 2011 8:15am
kitasaurus said...

no worries some swell coming, by the way your bro is a well balanced young man and is not prone to violent outbursts, even if busloads of crew arrive at "your" spot and proceed to f**k everything up for you!





Ha ha much deserved, much deserved...
RayQ
RayQ
WA
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25 Mar 2011 10:14am
kitasaurus said...

You all may remember what windsurfing was like in Perth during the late 80's and early 90's, if not due to the fact that many may not have been born or aware it was awash with sails. All the boys reckoned it would be banned but a funny thing happened.... people got bored with setting up, being ripped off for gear, got married had kids etc kiting will go exactly the same way in a few years so don't stress. The truly committed will stay and continue to enjoy it forever just like the small band of windsurfers you see dotted amongst the kites. For many this is the cool thing at the moment but they will soon fade away. bring on the winter swell I say and we can enjoy the real thing.


Yeah those were the days, you could drive along the metro coast on a windy day and there were sails out just about everywhere. I think several factors are different this time, windsurfing just got too hard, because after learning the basics of going in and out, most crew started to chase waves, and you need a better wave than what we get around Perth to make it exiting.
The size and weight of the gear also can be off putting, setting it op is more work. you need more wind.
Kiting is just more dynamic, flat water can be fun for freestyle, remembering freestyle on windsurfers in the 80s makes my toenails curl up.
and I dont remember any one doing down winders on windsurfers.

Windsurfing is like owning an F1 car, super cool but not much fun for very long unless you live next to a race track or are a pro driver.

Your kiting gear is like owning a ute, it can be what ever you want.
R0CKSTAR
R0CKSTAR
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25 Mar 2011 10:15am
kitasaurus said...

You all may remember what windsurfing was like in Perth during the late 80's and early 90's, if not due to the fact that many may not have been born or aware it was awash with sails. All the boys reckoned it would be banned but a funny thing happened.... people got bored with setting up, being ripped off for gear, got married had kids etc kiting will go exactly the same way in a few years so don't stress. The truly committed will stay and continue to enjoy it forever just like the small band of windsurfers you see dotted amongst the kites. For many this is the cool thing at the moment but they will soon fade away. bring on the winter swell I say and we can enjoy the real thing.


There was never any real danger of windsurfers killing themselves or others. Kiting is much more dangerous to both Kiter & Joe Public.The ONLY reason we have so much freedom in Perth to kite, is simply because we haven't had that really serious incident yet. As in Mum walking little Johnny on beach and Kite hits poor Johnny.. as soon as that happens (and it will) the media will be all over the story like a rash. And in this era of health & safety and litigation, councils will be banning and restricting kiting everywhere. Just go down to Scabs on a busy day, stand and watch for 30mins and look at the amount of near misses and retard behaviour. It's so bad it's almost funny.

You can use the example of how restricted jet-Skis are to see what could possibly happen to Kiting. And people that say restrictions/licensing/registrations etc won't work have never been on a Jet-ski in Perth. Rangers & Water Police are all over you like a rash. Trust me.
eppo
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25 Mar 2011 11:13am
I would have to agree with the last two comments. Kiting is not only easier to learn, and to progress much quicker, it is still evolving - although some might say the rate of increase has evened off, there is still room for technological advances.

Especially in the waves, where windsurfers still I believe, (unless you are a pro), actually surf the waves - even more so in large swells.

And one kiter has a planning 180 degree radial arc of 20-25 metre damage potential, and this arc of chaos can be transposed quickly through a trick or jump.
One kiter takes up far more space than a windsurfer. A windsurfer coming down the line takes up little space, a kiter needs to whole bloody wave to account for line lengths.

yes windsurfers pose less a hazardous potential (excuse the poor grammer).

And more to the point - how much damage can a learner do on a windsurfer - even when planning, easy to kill wind in the sail. A learner on a kite has great potential to incurr damage.


The guys in this industry who have been around for a while, have influence, including shop owners, event organisers etc may be the ones to prepare the sport for what will occur. Especially those with a financial interest or dependance on the sport. They ban kiting in certain spots, cost me a couple of thousand, ban kiting with drop in sales, peoplecould lose their entire business. Money talks, bull**** walks - these guys in my opinion need to step up - and many of them are, through their schools,

my suggestion: A group, even if ideas can be emailed etc at the start, with people who have their families financial interest based in the sport, need to put their heads together - and drive the changes needed (many of them pointed out in this post). A lot of these guys I know are extremely dedicated people, with wise heads on their shoulders and understand this sport and it's evolution better than anyone as a lot of them were their at the start.

Yep we can all hold hands a sing the ballad of 'local respect - community education' (which is needed), but in the end those with a long term economic interest in the sport - need to drive this...

maybe, just a thought really? Anyone agree?
puppetonastring
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25 Mar 2011 4:41pm
What 'tightlines' said.
For sure.
bakesy
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25 Mar 2011 8:21pm
Some interesting comments, especially from Eppo, but you need some help with your literacy skills- "grammer" hahaha!! not good mate. Anyway, what is with the lack of comps in this so called sport. A sport is generally defined by its competitive nature. The Euro's are up and running and I'm not sure about the east coast but in the west there is virtually no competitive edge to the "sport". All fledgeling sports that have established respect, regulation and honour have done this through competition. It seems to me that kiting will be sacrificed/crucified because it doesn't have clubs, comradery and good old Ozzie competitive spirit. I read somewhere that an Olympic bid was brewing or planned, good luck with that. Golf only just made it and this is the most popular and well organised sport in the world. Kiters in West Oz will need to get their s**t together, organise yourselves and you'll find that visiting awesome spots with some order will give you a sense of brotherhood/sisterhood and when councils start to regulate you may need to present a united front, rather than the loose band of poser/disrespectful mavericks than one may observe on any given windy Sunday, if one kid gets hurt you are screwed.It has worked for virtually every new "sport" so organise and compete!!
Poida
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25 Mar 2011 10:10pm
RayQ said...

kitasaurus said...

You all may remember what windsurfing was like in Perth during the late 80's and early 90's, "........


Yeah those were the days, ................
and I dont remember any one doing down winders
...............


hi Ray,

A few people were doing coasties windsurfing from floreat to Brighton, starting in the 90's and they are still doing them. Just shifted to a another location.

But with the wave gear it really helps with 18knots min and a 1.5m swell .. The wind angle in Perth is a shocker for wave sailing. But we just put up with it and still have fun.
tightlines
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25 Mar 2011 10:20pm
^ I'm guessing you are starting to have more fun now though Poida.
eppo
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25 Mar 2011 10:21pm
kitasaurus said...

Some interesting comments, especially from Eppo, but you need some help with your literacy skills- "grammer" hahaha!! not good mate. Anyway, what is with the lack of comps in this so called sport. A sport is generally defined by its competitive nature. The Euro's are up and running and I'm not sure about the east coast but in the west there is virtually no competitive edge to the "sport". All fledgeling sports that have established respect, regulation and honour have done this through competition. It seems to me that kiting will be sacrificed/crucified because it doesn't have clubs, comradery and good old Ozzie competitive spirit. I read somewhere that an Olympic bid was brewing or planned, good luck with that. Golf only just made it and this is the most popular and well organised sport in the world. Kiters in West Oz will need to get their s**t together, organise yourselves and you'll find that visiting awesome spots with some order will give you a sense of brotherhood/sisterhood and when councils start to regulate you may need to present a united front, rather than the loose band of poser/disrespectful mavericks than one may observe on any given windy Sunday, if one kid gets hurt you are screwed.It has worked for virtually every new "sport" so organise and compete!!




Yeh good point, organised comps are a good PR exercise to represent an organised sport... I didn't know this was a farqin spelling contest!
Jimbob McBoilygroin
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26 Mar 2011 12:39am
king of the point said...

I laugh
Kiting is for kiters your a special bread

Ive listened to countless crew blert there bleter, about kiting when it started out how good it is and how i had to do it and windsurfing was finished. blar blar blar

Ive watched crew convert to kiting to return and or do both watched new crew start with out a back ground ,,,,but always laughed as youve promoted, raved and ranted as if yous were first on the moon.

I new there would be a saturation point at most locations and yous would curse the day you told other doods about a place no one goes ..........and to get into kiting.

The the second prodiction was kiters would turn on kiters for dropping in crossing tampon strings and jumping to close etc etc etc (the list of **** goes on).

The greatest thing is now you got other kiters to play with you can leave us windsurfers in the line up alone to slash, shread,carve, smack out arials and slaye the dragon in peace.

Ps Open your mind dragon slayers yous aint the GOLDEN BREAD and or KELLY SLATER so fk off




can i have some treacle on my golden bread?

friggin knob
Poida
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26 Mar 2011 3:23pm
tightlines said...

^ I'm guessing you are starting to have more fun now though Poida.


Soon as I got to the pinnacle of my windsurfing ability I went and took up kiting. Still enjoy 20-25kn and a 2m swell on the pole though and the local coast run with a few others. My kiting's slowly catching up.

Think I'll be surfing more for April, may and June, then hang out for the springtime kite, pole and surf trip. The poley gear really is a pain to travel with compared to three kites and two surfboards.

Got to love autumn swell, just recovering from a surf at my fav break. Bali in three weeks,

It's all good.
tightlines
tightlines
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26 Mar 2011 4:59pm
Good onya Pete sounds like you have got it covered, your right it's all good, I got some sweet waves today too.
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