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spin it
spin it
WA
1 posts
WA, 1 posts
3 Dec 2005 5:25pm
Lots of bows today at Kernell. The biggest jumps were by guys on C kites. Saw Rich Stenning invert his Switchblade, that must be good for the kite? Looked like a slut to relaunch once it was face down, lucky he was in ankle deep water. Don't believe the hype.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
3 Dec 2005 5:35pm
Rich will trash any kite !
Actually they are really easy to relaunch from face down.

Whats your problem ?
Were not the other 100 Bow users happy and without problems ?

You must be in Bow kite Hell !
Expect to see many more soon ! Most manufacturers are bringing them out.
kiterider
kiterider
63 posts
63 posts
3 Dec 2005 7:05pm
Nice attemp Spin it , but those who know you understand your dilema.
You really love the Bow . All those Bow kiters at KURNELLappreciate the virtues of Cs and Bows and don't go around bagging any kites. You are correct though. The biggest jump of the day was the bloke on the Raven - he was so high we thought he would need oxygen support.
Have a nice day spin it and enjoy your kiting.
Kiterider
richierich
richierich
NSW
226 posts
NSW, 226 posts
3 Dec 2005 10:16pm
It amazes me sometimes this forum.
Someone sees a kite invert, creates a NEW user name for the forum and then starts saying how bow style kites are crap and all hype.
As far as the invert goes, it did take 3 minutes to sort out. I was just 20 metres upwind of the rock groyne. The kite did right itself with no dramas anyway no line dramas or fifth line bowtie and i did not get dragged over the groyne on relaunch. You didn't mention the 30 times i crashed and dropped the bar and relaunched in seconds every time. Once in a while it does happen but it is not a big deal.

It seems to me spin it you are just trying to spin (sh)it. you didn't get out for any fun today or were you in the windsurf comp? It appears to me you must have been sitting on the beach not sure which C kite to rig in gusty 10-30 knots. Truth is, i would think you do not have the Kite (or skill) to handle the conditions.
macker
macker
WA
81 posts
WA, 81 posts
3 Dec 2005 7:28pm
Go the raven Trophy for big air of the day goes to DAN
kiterider
kiterider
63 posts
63 posts
3 Dec 2005 7:39pm
Right on Macker - that young bloke has iron balls. He'll have ago at anything. Word around the traps is that he has only been kiting about 6 months. He's going to be one hell of a kiter at the rate he's going.
kiterider
oxy
oxy
WA
50 posts
oxy oxy
WA, 50 posts
4 Dec 2005 10:05am
Yeh must agree with you spin it saw the kite invert as well, seen it happen plenty ot times more on the bows though first time I saw it happen on a switchblade, lucky he was in knee deep water to get the kite up , plus rich is probably one of the best kiters on the bay so he certainly had some issues getting it back up but did eventually, would have been more difficult in deep water.

As for the air rush team rider on that c kite , did some awesome moves, some of the best I have seen in those gusty conditions, was a pleasure watching.

Also saw a guy on a 16 meter bow pretty amazing he held that kite down in those gusty conditions, they certainly are the gust busters.
Bows have their problems and have a while to go before they get it right, just like any first generation kite it will have problems.
bigairman
bigairman
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
4 Dec 2005 10:20am
Interesting topic Im sure steve from kitepower has written that he has never seen these kites invert, but we all saw it on the weekend.

Im not sure why these kites invert so easy has anyone got an explination as to why this happens.Have spoken to kiters that even pump threir bows up really hard but it still happens.
Gone to dark side
Gone to dark side
NSW
394 posts
NSW, 394 posts
4 Dec 2005 1:45pm
Well done to Dan my I all ways be up wind of Dan. Col was out all day on the 16m Bow not bad for a 50 + Guy Who was the guy on the 10m Halo and Hammer board from Airush Having no trouble even when dropping kite in the water came stright up Oh it was me Had a ball on the kite Untill Ian took it off me. Thanks Ian for a good Go. Have had a go on two bows kite so far both fond easy to use. that was the fist time Dropping abow so eeeeeeeasy to get back up Bow are the way of the Future for me next year.If I can last that long.Christmas comming up Guys Bow Kite would be nise.
kitesuffer
kitesuffer
NSW
148 posts
NSW, 148 posts
4 Dec 2005 3:58pm
Hey Kev,
What did you think of the Hammer? Used it down at Wanda?
You going to Gero this Feb?

Cheers

M
Dilmah
Dilmah
WA
7 posts
WA, 7 posts
4 Dec 2005 2:39pm
Inverted my 16m xbow last week, way out to sea in deep water. Thought I was in for a big swim. It was inverted and leading edge down and pulling me quite fast through the water. I pulled in one line on the side until it was flapping on just that line, then let it out again and it had reverted to the right shape. Relaunched (allways easy) and rode back to shore. The lines were twisted badly but it was ok to fly carefully. It inverted when I crashed it quite hard into the water and the lines went slack. Seen this happen quite a bit. Make sure you pump up the leading edge so hard the pump almost stops working, much harder than the C's. I think this might help??
Gone to dark side
Gone to dark side
NSW
394 posts
NSW, 394 posts
4 Dec 2005 5:55pm
Kitesurfer I liked the Hammer but still like my Caution Redline wave board more.But I will say I only had a hour on the board.I hear that you will be a Dad soon All the very best.
Yes off to Gero Feb 12
NSW, 4382 posts
4 Dec 2005 6:19pm
quote:
Originally posted by bigairman

Interesting topic Im sure steve from kitepower has written that he has never seen these kites invert, but we all saw it on the weekend.

Im not sure why these kites invert so easy has anyone got an explination as to why this happens.Have spoken to kiters that even pump threir bows up really hard but it still happens.



I have only seen one bow style kite invert while it was actually being ridden and in the air, it was an underinflated Sonic.

What happened to Rich, and others is that they have crashed or somehow allowed the lines to go slack and the kite has rolled through the lines. Rich often will miss a trick and have the kite land LE down facing him, which some of you report as an invert??
Anyway he has so far always relaunched from that situation on the Switchblades, most riders will never get into this situation though as they do not ride like Rich.

From what I saw bows were the most used kites on the bay at Kurnell yesterday, and from the reports here were the most appreciated or enjoyed.

Yet to see a properly inflated Bow invert while actually flying.

Cya and

Noinverts

Steve McCormack
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
4 Dec 2005 3:46pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by bigairman

Interesting topic Im sure steve from kitepower has written that he has never seen these kites invert, but we all saw it on the weekend.

Im not sure why these kites invert so easy has anyone got an explination as to why this happens.Have spoken to kiters that even pump threir bows up really hard but it still happens.



I have only seen one bow style kite invert while it was actually being ridden and in the air, it was an underinflated Sonic.

What happened to Rich, and others is that they have crashed or somehow allowed the lines to go slack and the kite has rolled through the lines. Rich often will miss a trick and have the kite land LE down facing him, which some of you report as an invert??
Anyway he has so far always relaunched from that situation on the Switchblades, most riders will never get into this situation though as they do not ride like Rich.

From what I saw bows were the most used kites on the bay at Kurnell yesterday, and from the reports here were the most appreciated or enjoyed.

Yet to see a properly inflated Bow invert while actually flying.

Cya and

Noinverts

Steve McCormack



Steve i don't know how often you actually kitesurf anymore, but i've seen in the order of 20-30 inversions.

Your experiences are an exception to what I and most people have seen.



Your saying you have never seen a crossbow invert but you have a sonic.

I've seen 30 inversions from crossbows and none from my sonic (12-30knots, all ranges of power and depower).

It seems weird that the kites operate differently on different sides of the country. Maybe theres like a coriolis effect happening or something.
NSW, 4382 posts
4 Dec 2005 7:13pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by bigairman

Interesting topic Im sure steve from kitepower has written that he has never seen these kites invert, but we all saw it on the weekend.

Im not sure why these kites invert so easy has anyone got an explination as to why this happens.Have spoken to kiters that even pump threir bows up really hard but it still happens.



I have only seen one bow style kite invert while it was actually being ridden and in the air, it was an underinflated Sonic.

What happened to Rich, and others is that they have crashed or somehow allowed the lines to go slack and the kite has rolled through the lines. Rich often will miss a trick and have the kite land LE down facing him, which some of you report as an invert??
Anyway he has so far always relaunched from that situation on the Switchblades, most riders will never get into this situation though as they do not ride like Rich.

From what I saw bows were the most used kites on the bay at Kurnell yesterday, and from the reports here were the most appreciated or enjoyed.

Yet to see a properly inflated Bow invert while actually flying.

Cya and

Noinverts

Steve McCormack



Steve i don't know how often you actually kitesurf anymore, but i've seen in the order of 20-30 inversions.

Your experiences are an exception to what I and most people have seen.



Your saying you have never seen a crossbow invert but you have a sonic.

I've seen 30 inversions from crossbows and none from my sonic (12-30knots, all ranges of power and depower).

It seems weird that the kites operate differently on different sides of the country. Maybe theres like a coriolis effect happening or something.



I still kite a couple of times a week over summer, as I live and work right at the local spot, but that is not the issue here. There are dozens and dozens of bow kite riders here, and like I said I have never seen one invert while actually flying, other than a badly underinflated kite, of the brand you favour.

It is very strange that only the market leading brand is inverting, while actually just flying along and only in WA??

I can think of a phrase for the effect that might be the real cause........

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
4 Dec 2005 4:23pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by bigairman

Interesting topic Im sure steve from kitepower has written that he has never seen these kites invert, but we all saw it on the weekend.

Im not sure why these kites invert so easy has anyone got an explination as to why this happens.Have spoken to kiters that even pump threir bows up really hard but it still happens.



I have only seen one bow style kite invert while it was actually being ridden and in the air, it was an underinflated Sonic.

What happened to Rich, and others is that they have crashed or somehow allowed the lines to go slack and the kite has rolled through the lines. Rich often will miss a trick and have the kite land LE down facing him, which some of you report as an invert??
Anyway he has so far always relaunched from that situation on the Switchblades, most riders will never get into this situation though as they do not ride like Rich.

From what I saw bows were the most used kites on the bay at Kurnell yesterday, and from the reports here were the most appreciated or enjoyed.

Yet to see a properly inflated Bow invert while actually flying.

Cya and

Noinverts

Steve McCormack



Steve i don't know how often you actually kitesurf anymore, but i've seen in the order of 20-30 inversions.

Your experiences are an exception to what I and most people have seen.



Your saying you have never seen a crossbow invert but you have a sonic.

I've seen 30 inversions from crossbows and none from my sonic (12-30knots, all ranges of power and depower).

It seems weird that the kites operate differently on different sides of the country. Maybe theres like a coriolis effect happening or something.



I still kite a couple of times a week over summer, as I live and work right at the local spot, but that is not the issue here. There are dozens and dozens of bow kite riders here, and like I said I have never seen one invert while actually flying, other than a badly underinflated kite, of the brand you favour.

It is very strange that only the market leading brand is inverting, while actually just flying along and only in WA??

I can think of a phrase for the effect that might be the real cause........

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack



I can think of 3 people on this forum that i have seen have an invert.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
4 Dec 2005 4:49pm
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by bigairman

Interesting topic Im sure steve from kitepower has written that he has never seen these kites invert, but we all saw it on the weekend.

Im not sure why these kites invert so easy has anyone got an explination as to why this happens.Have spoken to kiters that even pump threir bows up really hard but it still happens.



I have only seen one bow style kite invert while it was actually being ridden and in the air, it was an underinflated Sonic.

What happened to Rich, and others is that they have crashed or somehow allowed the lines to go slack and the kite has rolled through the lines. Rich often will miss a trick and have the kite land LE down facing him, which some of you report as an invert??
Anyway he has so far always relaunched from that situation on the Switchblades, most riders will never get into this situation though as they do not ride like Rich.

From what I saw bows were the most used kites on the bay at Kurnell yesterday, and from the reports here were the most appreciated or enjoyed.

Yet to see a properly inflated Bow invert while actually flying.

Cya and

Noinverts

Steve McCormack



Steve i don't know how often you actually kitesurf anymore, but i've seen in the order of 20-30 inversions.

Your experiences are an exception to what I and most people have seen.



Your saying you have never seen a crossbow invert but you have a sonic.

I've seen 30 inversions from crossbows and none from my sonic (12-30knots, all ranges of power and depower).

It seems weird that the kites operate differently on different sides of the country. Maybe theres like a coriolis effect happening or something.




I still kite a couple of times a week over summer, as I live and work right at the local spot, but that is not the issue here. There are dozens and dozens of bow kite riders here, and like I said I have never seen one invert while actually flying, other than a badly underinflated kite, of the brand you favour.

It is very strange that only the market leading brand is inverting, while actually just flying along and only in WA??

I can think of a phrase for the effect that might be the real cause........

Cya and

Goodwinds
Steve McCormack



I can think of 3 people on this forum that i have seen have an invert.



stop putting quotes in this post as it is already full of ****, multiple quotes dont help.....


user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
4 Dec 2005 5:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by kitecrazzzy

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by carbine

quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by bigairman

Interesting topic Im sure steve from kitepower has written that he has never seen these kites invert, but we all saw it on the weekend.

Im not sure why these kites invert so easy has anyone got an explination as to why this happens.Have spoken to kiters that even pump threir bows up really hard but it still happens.



I have only seen one bow style kite invert while it was actually being ridden and in the air, it was an underinflated Sonic.

What happened to Rich, and others is that they have crashed or somehow allowed the lines to go slack and the kite has rolled through the lines. Rich often will miss a trick and have the kite land LE down facing him, which some of you report as an invert??
Anyway he has so far always relaunched from that situation on the Switchblades, most riders will never get into this situation though as they do not ride like Rich.

From what I saw bows were the most used kites on the bay at Kurnell yesterday, and from the reports here were the most appreciated or enjoyed.

Yet to see a properly inflated Bow invert while actually flying.

Cya and

Noinverts

Steve McCormack



Steve i don't know how often you actually kitesurf anymore, but i've seen in the order of 20-30 inversions.

Your experiences are an exception to what I and most people have seen.



Your saying you have never seen a crossbow invert but you have a sonic.

I've seen 30 inversions from crossbows and none from my sonic (12-30knots, all ranges of power and depower).

It seems weird that the kites operate differently on different sides of the country. Maybe theres like a coriolis effect happening or something.




I still kite a couple of times a week over summer, as I live and work right at the local spot, but that is not the issue here. There are dozens and dozens of bow kite riders here, and like I said I have never seen one invert while actually flying, other than a badly underinflated kite, of the brand you favour.

It is very strange that only the market leading brand is inverting, while actually just flying along and only in WA??

I can think of a phrase for the effect that might be the real cause........

Cya and

Goodwindsi dont sell it so i will not support it

Steve McCormack



I can think of 3 people on this forum that i have seen have an invert.



stop putting quotes in this post as it is already full of ****, multiple quotes dont help.....






What do you mean?
wakestylekiter
wakestylekiter
NSW
31 posts
NSW, 31 posts
4 Dec 2005 8:41pm
Hi all i was there at dolls and i saw it invert and another guy lose his bow completely dont know what happened ?????? also i have seen many of the so called bow kites invert it does happen alot hey but i am not bagging them out all kites are good as long as u r having fun right i did see rich ride and the guy on the airush was so much better c kite !!!!!!!!!! but that just means he is a better rider have fun everyone ........
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
4 Dec 2005 5:53pm
make that 4 carbine...

but then again "C" kite's have their problems too like ?

arh actually I cant think of any problems any more from "C" kites ! I think everything has been ironed out

I'm sure this will happen too with "bows"
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
4 Dec 2005 5:56pm
Oh yeah I can, I just remembered the stinkfish... We've recycled the foil at home for cooking spuds
bigairman
bigairman
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
4 Dec 2005 8:27pm
Steve I think you just have to accept the fact that these kites do invert and maybe get out a bit more and watch it happen.

Its all over the kiteforums everyone is talking about it, even bow riders discuss it all the time as I kite with alot of bow riders.
Also steve the ratio was pretty even at kurnell , and dont forget airrush had their demo day and alot of people were testing out the halo and from all reports they loved the kite.
richierich
richierich
NSW
226 posts
NSW, 226 posts
4 Dec 2005 11:56pm
I will admit bows in general may invert once in a while but who cares. It is not dangerous, it doesn't damage the kite and i have always been able to relaunch it correctly after it rights itself.
Steve was saying he has seen one invert while flying not one invert on relaunch- If my kite inverted while flying i wouldn't use bow kites.
On relaunch, I have found the switchblades to be less likely to invert on a relaunch than a xbow and it only happens sometimes when you drop it in an awkward positions. It has happened to me twice out of a hundred relaunchs and I know it is a bit of a hassel but it certainly does not outweigh the benefits i get out of the performance of the switchblades. It is just really annoying to me to hear people say They invert-they suck.
They have been flying inverted for 30 seconds out of the 30 hours i have used xbows and switchblades and those are certainly not the moments i remember most. It happens, you drop the bar it fixes itself you relaunch. Why would that effect whether it is an amazing performing kite or not?
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
4 Dec 2005 9:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by richierich

They have been flying inverted for 30 seconds out of the 30 hours i have used xbows and switchblades...Why would that effect whether it is an amazing performing kite or not?



Ooh lets look at the ratio I had from my "C" kite flying inverted ?

0 seconds outa 5 years
richierich
richierich
NSW
226 posts
NSW, 226 posts
5 Dec 2005 12:25am
Hey brownee,
I have inverted a few Yarga's too. Does that make them obsolete?
Or no.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
5 Dec 2005 3:39am
quote:
Originally posted by HungLong

quote:
Originally posted by richierich

They have been flying inverted for 30 seconds out of the 30 hours i have used xbows and switchblades...Why would that effect whether it is an amazing performing kite or not?



Ooh lets look at the ratio I had from my "C" kite flying inverted ?

0 seconds outa 5 years



Well you will be wasting your time promoting the Woohoo when it comes out ,wont you ?
not on board
not on board
210 posts
210 posts
5 Dec 2005 6:32am
I gave the Halo 10m a go on sat and had to agree that in those gusty winds going from 19 to 30 I would have hated riding on my C-style kite. Not that I would have been overpowered on my smallest kite but more that it would have felt like a bucking bronco with the gusts hitting so frequently. The Halo made it possible to keep the board speed steady and enjoy myself. Not going to rush out and buy one quite yet but by this years winter it would be my kite of choice for the gusty southerlies here in Sydney.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
5 Dec 2005 11:58am
have inverted my nemisis and my fuel... mainly due to slack pumping up and wierd relaunches. But only once or twice.
effovski
effovski
WA
65 posts
WA, 65 posts
5 Dec 2005 10:01am
inverted the turbo diesel yesterday

having a go on a mates

gusty wind, luffed repowered totally inside out flew around

it fn does happen seen xbow do it numerous times
Alan
Alan
NSW
125 posts
NSW, 125 posts
5 Dec 2005 1:33pm
Thanks to Ian (the sherrif) for lettin me use the Halo 7. I would not have believed I could get going on such a small kite at 100KG's but it developed an incredible amount of power when moving at speed. I had to work it hard but wow it moves fast.

From what I saw you could not compare Rich and the Airush rider both looked to me to be trying completely things. Rich was doing a lot of complicated spinning handlepass moves when I saw him not requiring huge air but loads of skill and very large balls esp in 3ft of water. I'd say Moritz consistently flew the highest on a bow for most of the day. I did see one C kite flip inside out a number of times on the water due to bugger all air in the main tube requiring the rider to self rescue (oh yes it was me).

However I'd give joint 1st place to Col (as mentioned already) for using a 16 xbow and still smiling when he got out (he's trying for the 1 kite strategy) and Kitechic Teri for just hanging on in the gusts.
NSW, 4382 posts
5 Dec 2005 2:15pm
quote:
Originally posted by bigairman

Steve I think you just have to accept the fact that these kites do invert and maybe get out a bit more and watch it happen.

Its all over the kiteforums everyone is talking about it, even bow riders discuss it all the time as I kite with alot of bow riders.
Also steve the ratio was pretty even at kurnell , and dont forget airrush had their demo day and alot of people were testing out the halo and from all reports they loved the kite.



Hey I do accept that they can roll through their lines, and that this is what people are calling an invert, but it is no big deal.

I will say this one more time, I have never seen, or actually heard of a bow inverting while flying, as in the person was riding along with the kite parked at 45 and the kite inverted.

If you crash it and it rolls through the lines and relaunches, so what, C's do that too. If it has never happened to you on your C kite then you are not trying hard enough tricks!

There is no way the ratios were even, when I looked several times throughout the day. Airush were here helping Kitepower to promote their brand in Sydney, and it is extremely appreciated by me and I'm sure all the people who tested their gear.

Like I said bigairmate, I live at the most popular spot, and I do get out quite a bit, but over summer it does get quite busy in the shop and I just go where I am needed most.

Have fun, cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
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