Identifying learners kites on the water

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SimonDreyer
SimonDreyer
WA
82 posts
WA, 82 posts
4 Feb 2014 4:00pm
Hi Folks, how about us beginners trailing a high-vis streamer on our kites to let others know that we are barely in control and likely to do something stupid :-). I for one would be quite willing to put some kind of "L" plate on the kite if it kept things a bit safer.
Cheers S
PKC
PKC
WA
130 posts
PKC PKC
WA, 130 posts
4 Feb 2014 4:07pm
In some countries it's mandatory to wear different color rash vest to identify Lerner-intermediate and advanced riders. Could help. My main concern is not many kiters know right of way rules when they are being tought.
Trapped
Trapped
NSW
220 posts
NSW, 220 posts
4 Feb 2014 7:24pm
its easy enough just to chat to the other guys at the beach. pretty much all the guys where i hang out at know im brand new to the sport.
if i had to wear some sort of high vis gigantic L plate i would be greatly put off.
Air
Air
QLD
55 posts
Air Air
QLD, 55 posts
4 Feb 2014 6:31pm
Believe me, if your a Newb, everyone can tell.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
4 Feb 2014 7:36pm
It's not really needed ..... It's very easy to identify learners
Generally they :

Fly their kites higher
Have a pooh stance or ride very upright
Hands wide apart on the bar
Barely edging the board with very little spray.

Bucket hats, reel leashes, impact vests are optional

You can usually spot a beginner even when they are setting up before they hit the water.

Edit : looks like air beat me to it
PKC
PKC
WA
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PKC PKC
WA, 130 posts
4 Feb 2014 4:37pm
Air said...
Believe me, if your a Newb, everyone can tell.


True- true. Fair call
gcdave
gcdave
534 posts
534 posts
4 Feb 2014 4:41pm
Doesnt the 15 minute line run out give it away?

The short tacking?

The boosting near the shore line?

Oh wait. ..now we're identifying ****wits instead of the green as grass beginner
Underoath
Underoath
QLD
2434 posts
QLD, 2434 posts
4 Feb 2014 7:29pm
gcdave said..

Doesnt the 15 minute line run out give it away?

The short tacking?

The boosting near the shore line?

Oh wait. ..now we're identifying ****wits instead of the green as grass beginner


You just identified me
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
4 Feb 2014 9:05pm
Funnily enough as far as Harry said I would disagree on the safety equipment.
Hard impacts , if you are having a go anyway,can put you out for a while,so why not use a bit of protection.
ajs18s
ajs18s
QLD
60 posts
QLD, 60 posts
4 Feb 2014 8:08pm
I must ask, what is a "pooh stance". ?
Plummet
Plummet
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4862 posts
4 Feb 2014 6:13pm
Yeah very easy to spot.
Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
4 Feb 2014 9:41pm
My rule of right away when there is a newb is smiply that, i keep right away from them
Jon
Jon
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Jon Jon
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4 Feb 2014 9:46pm
ajs18s said..
I must ask, what is a "pooh stance". ?






ExSurfCentre
ExSurfCentre
WA
497 posts
WA, 497 posts
4 Feb 2014 7:26pm
Easy to spot newbies they are the ones with the biggest smiles on their face, or the ones in the water the most as opposed to the old pros talking about kiting in the carpark moaning about newbies and refusing any assistance with launching their kites ... ;-)
PKC
PKC
WA
130 posts
PKC PKC
WA, 130 posts
4 Feb 2014 9:21pm
tgcp said...
Easy to spot newbies they are the ones with the biggest smiles on their face, or the ones in the water the most as opposed to the old pros talking about kiting in the carpark moaning about newbies and refusing any assistance with launching their kites ... ;-)


Spot on Aussie. Ill never forget my smile lol hope ya well
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
5 Feb 2014 5:14am
If you can't spot a newbie a mile off, then you are one.

Kooks are a different kettle of fish in my mind. Kooks may be ok kiters in some ways, but their awareness of right-of-way, etiquette to other beach users and general behaviour mean they're still a serious liability.

I try to be nice to newbies. I'm happy to give kooks a serve.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
5 Feb 2014 5:40am
I suppose there may be an issue for newbies spotting and keeping clear of each other - if so, the obvious signs listed in the posts above pretty much cover it.

Conversely, if you want to improve your riding (newbies on twintips) simply start doing less of the newbie stuff: move your hands closer to the centre of the bar, lean your torso away from the board (more load on legs, less on back, less poohy - harness won't ride up) and change down a size when the good riders do rather than ride around with your 12m sheeted out so far that it's luffing all the time.
chino
chino
VIC
166 posts
VIC, 166 posts
5 Feb 2014 7:10am
Spotting noobs on the water = easy. Spotting noobs while they are still on the beach is a bit harder, which I guess can come into play when getting them to launch and land.
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
5 Feb 2014 7:32am
SimonDreyer said..

Hi Folks, how about us beginners trailing a high-vis streamer on our kites to let others know that we are barely in control and likely to do something stupid :-). I for one would be quite willing to put some kind of "L" plate on the kite if it kept things a bit safer.
Cheers S


LMAO

You're an idiot.
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
5 Feb 2014 6:54am
djdojo said..

If you can't spot a newbie a mile off, then you are one.

Kooks are a different kettle of fish in my mind. Kooks may be ok kiters in some ways, but their awareness of right-of-way, etiquette to other beach users and general behaviour mean they're still a serious liability.

I try to be nice to newbies. I'm happy to give kooks a serve.





Agreed, kooks far more dangerous than newbies.
superlizard
superlizard
VIC
702 posts
VIC, 702 posts
5 Feb 2014 10:05am
newbies are easy to spot. they land kite on sand instead of grass

but on a serious note, one tip that someone gave me whilst learning: - keep front/leading leg straight...(improves riding technique)
Loftywinds
Loftywinds
QLD
2060 posts
QLD, 2060 posts
5 Feb 2014 10:30am
I recently sold a kite to a local here who is a beginner.
Kites too close to shore, too close to power lines and gets in the way of more advanced kiters.
I told him - the beginner spot is further down and lean back more so you don't slow down, pull on the kite, but he kept doing the pooh stance.
I feel I should buy back my kite for the sake of reputation.
bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
ACT, 1258 posts
5 Feb 2014 11:44am
harry potter said..

It's not really needed ..... It's very easy to identify learners
Generally they :


Bucket hats,



agreed noobs are easy to spot, but why the dig at people wearing hats. In my opinion its the most experienced guys on the water who are wearing hats, their the smart ones.
NoBS
NoBS
WA
908 posts
WA, 908 posts
5 Feb 2014 8:59am
Underoath said..

gcdave said..

Doesnt the 15 minute line run out give it away?

The short tacking?

The boosting near the shore line?

Oh wait. ..now we're identifying ****wits instead of the green as grass beginner


You just identified me


You said it!
kitebored
kitebored
NSW
593 posts
NSW, 593 posts
5 Feb 2014 1:16pm
bennie said..
agreed noobs are easy to spot, but why the dig at people wearing hats. In my opinion its the most experienced guys on the water who are wearing hats, their the smart ones.


Yeh, I had to swim in the other day in an outgoing tide after my kites LE bladder popped. I'll be buying an impact vest/harness combo now, mainly for flotation. And hats, well I don't wear one because it gets in the way but skin cancer gets in the way too so it's a good idea to cover up..
SimonDreyer
SimonDreyer
WA
82 posts
WA, 82 posts
5 Feb 2014 10:18am
Interesting comments folks, I'll take it then that since so many seem to possess a zen-like inner knowledge, that I can assume that those who can't keep out of our way and constantly sail up to the launch despite the known presence of newbys, are what you guys call "Kooks"?. Or maybe they are just checking with mum if it's time to go home :-)

I got me a bucket hat, now just got to get a reel leash and I'll see you out there.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
5 Feb 2014 1:45pm
The ultimate indicator to me tends to be a fixation on the kite to the point you aren't aware of what is going on around you. That and keeping the kite high when you are passing to downwind, only to kill speed and fall back into the water.
windreams
windreams
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
5 Feb 2014 12:53pm
This is my first season of kitesurfing and I’m at the stage of being able to slightly go upwind, and even I can spot a “real” newbie. The experienced kiters kept out of my way when I was spending more time off the board than on it or the kite was in the water more than in the air so very happy to repay the favour to the new starters. As for a learners vest or L marking… rather not.
Peterc150
Peterc150
VIC
710 posts
VIC, 710 posts
5 Feb 2014 2:15pm
harry potter said..

Fly their kites higher
Have a pooh stance or ride very upright
Hands wide apart on the bar
Barely edging the board with very little spray.

Bucket hats, reel leashes, impact vests are optional



Fly their kites higher Yes, flying kites high and parking at 12 is common with learners.

Tip: don't park your kite at 12 as it forms an obstacle that is difficult for others to get around - both on land and water. Drop it lower on the best/safest side if you are resetting yourself, body dragging, resting, walking along the shore etc.

Bucket hats: I usually wear a helmet. Personal choice, but I think the speed and potential impacts make helmets a good idea.

Reel leashes: Definitely don't use. Dangerous and unnecessary

Impact vest: I usually use one. Extra flotation is nice and I have been very glad to have it on during some big stacks.

Beersy
Beersy
TAS
753 posts
TAS, 753 posts
5 Feb 2014 2:31pm
Trapped said...
if i had to wear some sort of high vis gigantic L plate i would be greatly put off.


Hmmm, you might be on to something... Yes, maybe it is a good idea
ezza
ezza
NSW
561 posts
NSW, 561 posts
5 Feb 2014 5:06pm
SimonDreyer said..

Interesting comments folks, I'll take it then that since so many seem to possess a zen-like inner knowledge, that I can assume that those who can't keep out of our way and constantly sail up to the launch despite the known presence of newbys, are what you guys call "Kooks"?. Or maybe they are just checking with mum if it's time to go home :-)


Bear in mind that experienced kiters can pass within inches of you at will or turn around at the last second if they need to. Unless you actually have had a collision they probably are keeping out of your way.
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