sir ROWDY said..

Beerhunter said..
Thanks guys for filling in the gaps, that explains why it all looks so good.

If this isn't sarcasm I'd love to know what you find so appealing about the look of gear (in the interests of market research). Feel free to PM, if you don't want to reply here.

IMO. Look better if they were all black.

Thats where BWS got it so right.

Yeah.
im waiting for them to enter the freestyle market
Hopefully next year

cauncy said..
Any need for more than 3 kites
wave
freeride
freestyle
fone until recently have stuck with an allround that's been capable in the right hands, tbh I like that from a brand
uncomplicated

Fone has realised they need more than one kite, they stepped it up by making a pretty good stable 5-line 5-strut C-Kite (the WTF), the level of riding being done on this kite in comparison to the bandit is huge leaps ahead. Fone are also now in the process of making a big air specific kite. I don't really see how 3 choices is complicated, but to each their own.

As alluded to above, North still has some ways to go if they want a real "freestyle" or "boardsport style" kite, right now they've basically just copied Cab and released an FX (which if you know anything about gear or pro riders is a pretty horrible platform for such riding, 3 strut kites don't have the stability, unhooked range and consistency to be the best match for advanced riding).

Sooo many textbook writing styles from old old brand pimps on this thread, it's hard to pick the goats from the goats....lol

I would bet money that the kites are very different from Cabrinha but have to wait until some cab riders try them out.

sir ROWDY said..

Beerhunter said..
Thanks guys for filling in the gaps, that explains why it all looks so good.

If this isn't sarcasm I'd love to know what you find so appealing about the look of gear (in the interests of market research). Feel free to PM, if you don't want to reply here.

If sarcasm is against the forum rules then it's definitely not.
Can't be getting around offending people these days
As for market research isn't the goal of glossy marketing to make stuff look appealing?
cheers

bootsandloops said..
I would bet money that the kites are very different from Cabrinha but have to wait until some cab riders try them out.

You probably shouldn't gamble.

Im happy to take your wager


But lets make it interesting. Instead lf money ill give you this seabreeze account and if the kites are pretty much same as cabs then ill take yours. (It is a nice name)


Well run a poll im sure youll have a few dare i say many voteing that theyre entirely different just to see me off the forum.

But i got a feeling ill still win that bet cause... Theyre pretty much identical. I know this because im equally enthusiastic about cabrinhas kites and new norths. Its like looking at artwork in a museum you dont HAVE to know everything about it you can just feel it. That flatline of emotion that i feel for 3 strut bridled kites its quite a telltale sign.

I almost have more feeling for the generic 5 strut bow kite just because its been a good oh god... Its been over 10 years?!? How.... How can that be... What am i doing with my life!!!

Pretty sure laurie can knock up a poll for us cant see results until you vote sorta deal pole closes in a week. No reason to wait until october when the stock is actually available we all know its just generic kites for generic people. Which is a good thing. Im not a fan of those stupid z boards or scooters or heelys etc etc i like good stock gear. Thats how i know cab and new north are just produceing good stock gear nothing crazy. Someone summon mr lauriton ive got a good feeling about this bet

ActionSportsWA said..

KPSS Used said..

ActionSportsWA said..
Hey Beerhunter,

New North is old Cabrinha. Most Cab staff and designers defected to North.

DM

Actually its not. North has some staff from Cabrinha, but also many others who did not come from Cab. AND Cabrinha is still going 100%, they only changed one kite this year, but they have a full lineup and a brand new bar which is pretty good. Cab has a smaller and tighter management team and hopefully they find some new energy too.

The North kites are made in the same factory as Duo and Core in Sri Lanka, Cab is still made in the Performance factory owned by the NP Group.

Only us riders and kiting addicts will benefit from this nasty corporate split, let the revenge driven good times roll on we reckon!

Hi guys,

Respectfully disagree. I think any brand is known by it's kites feel, look and performance. These characteristics are the signature of the designer. When the designer of a brand goes to another company, it would be pretty safe to assume the designs will be very similar unless they wanted to make a massive departure from what they have created in the past. That would be an extreme risk for a company entering the market for the first time. I would imagine the new North, will be fairly conservative in their first years offerings.

Once they get a following from their first year and establish a following, they could be a little more adventurous in subsequent years. It will be interesting for sure.

DM

Hi Darren,

This is probably because you don't know much of NKB yet? Please allow me to explain.

A kite designer does its job but still require to get the endorsement from the CEO or owner of the company, some of this CEO's are very controlling and have strong opinions of what they want and how the kite should feel, this will somehow restrain the designer potential.
Something Pat Goodman was really happy about is the fact that North gave him a blank canvas to prove its ideas and knowledge.

I flew many Cabrinha over the past years and flew NKB for the last month, nope they are not the same at all.

Every designer can tell exactly how a kite will fly without having to see it. If you think otherwise your ignorant and need to go learn how to design a kite. Just download surfplan and start copying standard designs remake them best you can. This will help you understand different measureable characteristics of a kite. Then go out in the field and see what happens when you reposition your center lines or back lines make a mock bridal line with lots of knots allowing you to connect your center line at any knot see where it does and doesnt sit in wind window see how it loops etc etc it would take you like 4 hours but instead you spend years without having a clue and saying you have to wait till someone else tells you. Ignorance can only be cured one way.

I dont even need that **** to know how a kite flys all i honestly need is the flat plan and some numbers telling me the ar and projected and unprojected and where the line attachments are honestly im not a guru or a genius i did study 3d modelling and design in 2004? And i was flying alot of kites back then so some of my showreels have kites i made on them but that was more to show how i added weight to the animations... But honestly just go out and fly kites back to back or even just look at kites as some kooks flying them. And think about why its doing what its doing.

I dont know... I guess a large portion of why i think everyone should be able to see how a kite flys is also because ive had to teach on so many different brands and kite styles over the years... You can actually "fix" some of the terribly designed kites by just spliceing in a attachment point on a bridle. Theres alot of patents designers have to work around that restrict what they can and cant do. But calling someone out thinking they dont know exactly how a kites going to fly after seeing its spec sheet and seeing it in action on high quality video not to mention knowing the actual rider of the kite being able to see the wind condition due to the waters behaviour my maaaan yall just stupid all the information is right theyre if you cant read it doesnt mean everyone else cant ever.

get educated about your hobby


If i had a doller for everytime someone said but BEBE doesnt need a pure c kite id have like 33 dollers which is alot and its funnier and funnier everytime i hear it. Just go out and use a rpm then go out and use a fuel. Then go out and use a vegas then go out and use a dice then go out and use an enduro then go out use a c4 then a bandit then go out and use a wtf then go out and use a razor then go out and use a torch then go out and use a dash? Slash? Then go out and come back.

and say wow...

Those guys are world champions maybe i should stop thinking something so retarded as just cause donald bradman played cricket with a cricket wicket rather then a BAT when he was training i dont need a bat i only need a cricket wicket to do the most technical manouvers in a sport.

I hope you post more withyour 2 counts and obviously in the industry on a throw away.
your a fountain of bull**** repeated marketing to sell **** that makes the most profit at the cost of the customers experience.
In other canopy sports we PUSH the highend and the TECH and this then pushes the athletes and the industry. It pushes what can be achieved in the sport it pushes boundrys and records and performance.

In KITEING theyre trying to wind everything BACK to where the most profits are. And saying **** like yall just need cricket wickets to bat like bradman is you regurgitateing that grasping necrotic hand from the grave of maximum profit minimum costs thats holding kiteing back.


Now if youll excuse me i need to work on removing this silly mixer system and changeing my bar to 8 x 25m aramid lines.

bootsandloops said..
No need for a poll. I name cauncy as head tester, his opinion will decide it all.

Well that's pretty much the point, neither myself or you will push a kites abilities far from it, a name like boots n loops is sujesting to me your an professional freestyler
where in fact your possibly a dreamer unless you back yourself up ripping

Proof will be in the actual testing back to back etc. But I do smell a dirty cab" rat in the influential mix and kite profile pics I've seen. Since they destroyed the rebel here is for the hope...

cauncy said..

bootsandloops said..
No need for a poll. I name cauncy as head tester, his opinion will decide it all.

Well that's pretty much the point, neither myself or you will push a kites abilities far from it, a name like boots n loops is sujesting to me your an professional freestyler
where in fact your possibly a dreamer unless you back yourself up ripping

I just like boots and kiteloops, sometimes things are simple no need to overthink it but I take that you don't want to be the head tester.

There is also no real need for testing. The orbit is better than the rebel, the carve way better than the reo and the pulse is just alright.

eppo said..

bootsandloops said..

cauncy said..

bootsandloops said..
No need for a poll. I name cauncy as head tester, his opinion will decide it all.

Well that's pretty much the point, neither myself or you will push a kites abilities far from it, a name like boots n loops is sujesting to me your an professional freestyler
where in fact your possibly a dreamer unless you back yourself up ripping

I just like boots and kiteloops, sometimes things are simple no need to overthink it but I take that you don't want to be the head tester.

There is also no real need for testing. The orbit is better than the rebel, the carve way better than the reo and the pulse is just alright.

No real need for testing? Surely each person will ride a kite and given their own experience, style and ability then make that call for themselves.

Or are you just being a narcissistic sod and truly believe your opinion is now fact?

"Orbit is better than the rebel"...well not that hard to do such a thing given the abortion they did on the new one. Soz' just had to have one more whinge...

You are alright eppo a bit negative but alright. I was just talking sh* since there is no point in having a discussion about the new kites since everyone is too biased and narrow minded, which is fine.